A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Rob14]

Vote Count #4.10:

The Pied Piper:

Dwlee99, dramonic, Mirhawk, Marquis, drmyshottyizsik, podoboq (6)

Mirhawk:

itlepip, Flubbernugget (2)

podoboq:

Cerberus v666 (1)

SirCakez:

pistachi0n (1)

Cerberus v666:

The Pied Piper (1)

drmyshottyizsik:

SirCakez (1)

Not Voting:

Malakittens

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA:

SirCakez until 5/30.
Marquis until 5/31.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-29 21:40:00)

[dramonic]

your sig is REALLY expired.

[Dwlee99]

I'm so happy this is actually happening finally.

[Cerberus v666]

Please, nobody hammer before they claim.

Unless they already claimed their musical, idk if they did? If they did and it's not the one I'm concerned about, I still think nobody should hammer before they claim, but I won't be able to give a strong argument for them being town based on that alone.

[Cerberus v666]

Also, I voted podoboq because 1) he was in the very small PoE pool I have, and 2) I was curious to see who would note the vote, and whether or not anyone would take the opportunity to move on him. Not much gained there.

[pistachi0n]

Pistachion, how do you feel about podoboq and itlepip?

I've liked podo since the beginning. I don't think it's likely that itl is scum either, looking back through his interactions with the two scum flips.

[itlepip]

and the scum that isn't flipped...

[The Pied Piper]

Dwlee99:

The central core of my read on Dwlee is that he isn't actually making an attempt to read the game; his reads aren't really based in anything and he just pushes for pushing's sake. The main argument against this, from what I can tell, is that "this is his normal meta", and that people don't believe that he is intelligent enough to actually read the game and get opinions on people. The major counter I have to this is actually looking at his town meta; in Micro 598, Dwlee had a strong suspicion of Magna based on what looked like a scum slip to him. In this game, after he thought a player had scumslipped, he argued with other players, speculated on alternate scumteams, and, at one pointed, voted his top suspect and unvoted 15 minutes later to deliberate about it some more. This is a trend in all of his town games that I've read; Dwlee very clearly and transparently thinks about the votes and pushes he's making as town. As scum? Not so much. In Cyberpunk after I was killed, the town began self-destructing a bit, and Dwlee always followed on the heels of their votes, and, most importantly, when he changed reads on people, he just changed them for little to no reason, and there was none of the consideration that he had elsewhere in figuring out the game. The only meaningful thing that Dwlee has done this entire day is push us, and he's been pushing us for a long time. But during this time, there's no point where his push changed or evolved; he started scumreading us in 3074 and there's been no progress at all since then. He used his scumread of us to avoid voting Skybird until suddenly we were close to hammering her and then he decided that he didn't like something she said, he talked a lot about swapping votes onto Axelrod but never followed through. And he doesn't have this problem with just us; his reads on everyone have been completely static. There's not a single read that he's had that's organically evolved or changed; they've all been completely the same, across the board.

Vote: Dwlee99

I plan on detailing all of my major reads (at least), but will be posting in chunks. I will claim before I leave for the night.

[Cerberus v666]

Maybe we can save you TPP!

VOTE: Dwlee99

[The Pied Piper]

First of all, I feel like Mirhawk still being considered on the same case that he was for Day 1/Day 2 reasons is just a little bit ridiculous; there's a pretty significant elephant in the room that he's put far and above more effort than anyone else in the game (608 posts!), and typically, a very overwhelmingly large percent of the time, these players are town unless they are players who are known to consistently put that type of effort in regardless of alignment. Mirhawk is not that type of player. He's played in 19 games before he's played in this one, and he has 1587 posts total. Now, normally I don't lean on post number for any type of argument, but this stands out enough where I find it pretty significant; his posts this game make up more than one-third of his total posts. His average posting rate elsewhere is 50 posts per game. That means that this game is a break out game of sorts, where this is a game that he's invested himself to a significantly larger extent than he has anywhere else. It's much, much easier to do this as town.

There are also a number of subtle touches that Mirhawk has in the game that would demonstrate an impressive amount of foresight as scum, but seem pretty natural as town (things like him saying his flavor doesn't match up with his claim and then saying it was due to a Officer Lockstock that wasn't a cop and saying that he was a VT instead of a PR like he implied). I think that the emotional investment that he's taken in this game is pretty significant and I think that the way that he's approached things is not how scum would approach the situation (in particular, when he was about to die, he brought up "calling the miller gambit" - while I don't think that his pride in that is alignment indicative, I'm really skeptical that he'd bring it up when he was sitting right next to death when that was the thing that got him killed in the first place).

I also think he's made countless on countless of posts that sound extremely genuine and show his emotional engagement in a way that wouldn't be there if he was scum; places like 4390, 5403 stand out especially. I also think that his ISO is probably as frustratingly impossible to get through as mine is which is probably why he's lynchable in the first place but skimming through Page 3 should give you pretty strong reasoning for why he is likely town; I can suck it up and expand the case on him if people think it will help their reads there, but I think will be more productive to respond to people's cases on him.

[Dwlee99]

I'm focused primarily on you, tpp. I'm not "updating" my read on you because there is nothing to update. I've thought you were scum since whatever that post was you linked and you still are. Your entire play revolving around your claim and the inno you had is scum. I'm not changing my mind on that. Not to mention you're just targeting me because I'm the main proponent of your lynch.

[Cerberus v666]

Dwlee, you overestimate your influence. Massively. If anyone is the cause of this lynch, it's Mirhawk. You're just an annoying little voice that keeps saying the same thing over and over again.

[The Pied Piper]

I'm focused primarily on you, tpp. I'm not "updating" my read on you because there is nothing to update. I've thought you were scum since whatever that post was you linked and you still are. Your entire play revolving around your claim and the inno you had is scum. I'm not changing my mind on that. Not to mention you're just targeting me because I'm the main proponent of your lynch.

If you were looking to refute my point that the only significant thing that you've done is push me, then I'd suggest digging up significant pushes or reads on other players.

If you were looking to refute my point that none of your reads has shown any sort of natural evolution (or anything but stagnation, really), I'd suggest you quote yourself changing your mind on someone in a natural looking way.

[drmyshottyizsik]

you know I can see where this goes
VOTE: dwee

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, you overestimate your influence. Massively. If anyone is the cause of this lynch, it's Mirhawk. You're just an annoying little voice that keeps saying the same thing over and over again.

I'm focused primarily on you, tpp. I'm not "updating" my read on you because there is nothing to update. I've thought you were scum since whatever that post was you linked and you still are. Your entire play revolving around your claim and the inno you had is scum. I'm not changing my mind on that. Not to mention you're just targeting me because I'm the main proponent of your lynch.

If you were looking to refute my point that the only significant thing that you've done is push me, then I'd suggest digging up significant pushes or reads on other players.

If you were looking to refute my point that none of your reads has shown any sort of natural evolution (or anything but stagnation, really), I'd suggest you quote yourself changing your mind on someone in a natural looking way.

my refute to that is that I don't need to evolve my read on scum you?

[dramonic]

oh my god you guys are just a special flavor of stupid aren't you.

[SirCakez]

TPP why aren't you claiming?

[SirCakez]

Oh I didn't see the end of 6007 OK. I'm expecting that, I'll see what I think of your other stuff.

[dramonic]

Because this town is composed of clownfucks and they know that once again, they're gonna dodge the rope in favor of some other sap who doesn't have enough cocksucking inertia to dodge it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Because this town is composed of clownfucks and they know that once again, they're gonna dodge the rope in favor of some other sap who doesn't have enough cocksucking inertia to dodge it.

this lynch is your ass
VOTE: tpp

[SirCakez]

Yeah tbh that's what I'm thinking dram post-FS lynch.

[SirCakez]

Dwlee what's your plan if this flips town?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Dwlee

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Dwlee

I don't like this vote

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee what's your plan if this flips town?

It might give me the real push I need to stop playing this game, join extracurricular things and make new friends, start hanging out with current and new friends, tryhard in school, get into MIT, graduate valedictorian, be the next bill gates, marry the girl of my dreams named Alex, and have a successful and very happy life. Why?