A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Cerberus v666]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum, when they could have easily left an opening to mislynch Mirhawk instead.

Scum slip! There is no other way you know mir would have been a mislynch. Votes please.

I think an assumption that a mirhawk lynch would be a mislynch is in line with podos previously expressed opinions.

It's a reasonable suspicion though.

[podoboq]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum, when they could have easily left an opening to mislynch Mirhawk instead.

Scum slip! There is no other way you know mir would have been a mislynch. Votes please.

Don't like lynching Mirhawk, because I think TPP makes a solid case, and I was starting to doubt his scuminess.

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.

You're an idiot if you believe that's a scumslip rather than "I'm confident that Mirhawk is town."

[dramonic]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum.

They really didn't though.

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

So dram are you upset we lynched scum? Are you going to address how wrong you were about dwee?

I am upset we ONCE AGAIN are giving TPP a free pass, and I don't think I ever called Dwlee town so your argument is invalid?

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum, when they could have easily left an opening to mislynch Mirhawk instead.

Scum slip! There is no other way you know mir would have been a mislynch. Votes please.

Don't like lynching Mirhawk, because I think TPP makes a solid case, and I was starting to doubt his scuminess.

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.

You're an idiot if you believe that's a scumslip rather than "I'm confident that Mirhawk is town."

Confidence and surety is the difference between town and scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

Fair enough dram, infact you hardly said a think about or to dwee

[podoboq]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum, when they could have easily left an opening to mislynch Mirhawk instead.

Scum slip! There is no other way you know mir would have been a mislynch. Votes please.

Don't like lynching Mirhawk, because I think TPP makes a solid case, and I was starting to doubt his scuminess.

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.

You're an idiot if you believe that's a scumslip rather than "I'm confident that Mirhawk is town."

Confidence and surety is the difference between town and scum

"surety - noun - a person who takes responsibility for another's performance of an undertaking, for example their appearing in court or the payment of a debt."

What you're trying to say is that I sound too confident for your liking, and that's not the same thing as a scum slip.

[Cerberus v666]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum, when they could have easily left an opening to mislynch Mirhawk instead.

Scum slip! There is no other way you know mir would have been a mislynch. Votes please.

Don't like lynching Mirhawk, because I think TPP makes a solid case, and I was starting to doubt his scuminess.

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.

You're an idiot if you believe that's a scumslip rather than "I'm confident that Mirhawk is town."

Confidence and surety is the difference between town and scum

"surety - noun - a person who takes responsibility for another's performance of an undertaking, for example their appearing in court or the payment of a debt."

What you're trying to say is that I sound too confident for your liking, and that's not the same thing as a scum slip.

Surety also describes a state. That is, the state of being sure or certain of something. Certainty of anyone's alignment is a scum tell. Well display of knowledge that town shouldn't have is a scum tell, and such knowledge is usually alignment related, though may occasionally take the form of knowledge of another roles powers.

[dramonic]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

That's pretty much my only interaction with the dwlee slot.
That and the end of Day 4.

EDIT: Then you better vote me cerb.

[Cerberus v666]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

That's pretty much my only interaction with the dwlee slot.
That and the end of Day 4.

EDIT: Then you better vote me cerb.

Because you're CERTAIN of TPPs alignment? Naw, it doesn't work like that. Actively pushing someone as scum and being certain they are scum is something everyone has to do to get their lynches through. I'm far more concerned by people who are CERTAIN someone is town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Pod you just purposefully misrepresented a definition. Your only defence is flawed semantics? Come on dram if he flips town we will wagon the hell out of tpp tomorrow

[podoboq]

Surety also describes a state. That is, the state of being sure or certain of something. Certainty of anyone's alignment is a scum tell. Well display of knowledge that town shouldn't have is a scum tell, and such knowledge is usually alignment related, though may occasionally take the form of knowledge of another roles powers.

My Google dictionary app didn't show me that definition, so whoopsie-daisy.

I'll go on record right now saying that I'm certain that Marquis is town. That certainty is based off of what I consider a pretty easy read, and just solid logic. I've mentioned that certainty several times in the past, and nobody's called that a scum-slip, or even a scum-tell. So why is it that when I'm part of the lynch pool, all of a sudden my level of certainty in a player's alignment is considered scummy?

In fact, basically every player in the game has "Definitely town" tiers on their read lists. Is that scummy?

[podoboq]

Pod you just purposefully misrepresented a definition.

Your only defence is flawed semantics?

Come on dram if he flips town we will wagon the hell out of tpp tomorrow

If you read my post, you'd see that it's a ribbing, not a defense*.

You just misrepped my defense, on the other hand....

[drmyshottyizsik]

You weren't talking about certainty. Why are you failing to remember what you even said? You said mirhawk would have been a mislynch.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Pod you just purposefully misrepresented a definition.

Your only defence is flawed semantics?

Come on dram if he flips town we will wagon the hell out of tpp tomorrow

If you read my post, you'd see that it's a ribbing, not a defense*.

You just misrepped my defense, on the other hand....

What defense then? All you said was the word I used wasn't right. Then proceeded to tell ME what I meant to say.

[podoboq]

You weren't talking about certainty. Why are you failing to remember what you even said? You said mirhawk would have been a mislynch.

Mirhawk would have been a mislynch because Mirhawk is town. I'm pretty damn confident in that.

Let's not call an apple an orange here, you're uncomfortable with my level of confidence, and that's a thing that we could discuss, and you could ask me about, but instead of that, you called it a scum slip, which it obviously isn't. I assume you're a smart enough person to realize it's not a scum slip, and now you have me wondering why instead of engaging in a real dialogue about the thing that was bothering you, you choose to disengage, point a finger, and call me scum.

[podoboq]

What you're trying to say is that I sound too confident for your liking, and that's not the same thing as a scum slip.

This is what I said. I said "confidence isn't the same thing as a scum slip." That's not the same thing as arguing "the word you used is incorrect, therefore you're wrong."

[Cerberus v666]

Podo, because marquis' blind cop claim obviously makes him town. There's no significance there when your have an example of horrible scum play if he had made falsely made that claim (unless Rob13s mod meta is such that we have cause to believe he doesn't usually have cops. Did anyone ever check that?).

Anyways, I was just pointing out that your definition was wrong. The best argument for shottys thought that you scum slipped is because the nature of the slip is in the usage of mislynch, rather than lynch. It's a very easy mistake to make, but like I said above...such a stance is in line with your previously expressed opinions on Mirhawk, so it's not as meaningful.

[drmyshottyizsik]

You weren't talking about certainty. Why are you failing to remember what you even said? You said mirhawk would have been a mislynch.

Mirhawk would have been a mislynch because Mirhawk is town. I'm pretty damn confident in that.

Let's not call an apple an orange here, you're uncomfortable with my level of confidence, and that's a thing that we could discuss, and you could ask me about, but instead of that, you called it a scum slip, which it obviously isn't. I assume you're a smart enough person to realize it's not a scum slip, and now you have me wondering why instead of engaging in a real dialogue about the thing that was bothering you, you choose to disengage, point a finger, and call me scum.

I'm not interested in your back peddling or excuses. Also no it isn't obviously not a scum slip. I, unlike you, don't know everyones alignment. Sorry, you slipped up and now you must die.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Podo, because marquis' blind cop claim obviously makes him town. There's no significance there when your have an example of horrible scum play if he had made falsely made that claim (unless Rob13s mod meta is such that we have cause to believe he doesn't usually have cops. Did anyone ever check that?).

Anyways, I was just pointing out that your definition was wrong. The best argument for shottys thought that you scum slipped is because the nature of the slip is in the usage of mislynch, rather than lynch. It's a very easy mistake to make, but like I said above...such a stance is in line with your previously expressed opinions on Mirhawk, so it's not as meaningful.

It's only an easy mistake if you are scum. Town never assumes a mislynch.

[podoboq]

You weren't talking about certainty. Why are you failing to remember what you even said? You said mirhawk would have been a mislynch.

Mirhawk would have been a mislynch because Mirhawk is town. I'm pretty damn confident in that.

Let's not call an apple an orange here, you're uncomfortable with my level of confidence, and that's a thing that we could discuss, and you could ask me about, but instead of that, you called it a scum slip, which it obviously isn't. I assume you're a smart enough person to realize it's not a scum slip, and now you have me wondering why instead of engaging in a real dialogue about the thing that was bothering you, you choose to disengage, point a finger, and call me scum.

I'm not interested in your back peddling or excuses. Also no it isn't obviously not a scum slip. I, unlike you, don't know everyones alignment. Sorry, you slipped up and now you must die.

This is extra sad because Talah/TO was obv town (reason I'm not voting for you, I'm certain your slot is town based on TO's play), which means you're a townie who just actually believes this.

[podoboq]

Podo, because marquis' blind cop claim obviously makes him town. There's no significance there when your have an example of horrible scum play if he had made falsely made that claim (unless Rob13s mod meta is such that we have cause to believe he doesn't usually have cops. Did anyone ever check that?).

Anyways, I was just pointing out that your definition was wrong. The best argument for shottys thought that you scum slipped is because the nature of the slip is in the usage of mislynch, rather than lynch. It's a very easy mistake to make, but like I said above...such a stance is in line with your previously expressed opinions on Mirhawk, so it's not as meaningful.

It's only an easy mistake if you are scum. Town never assumes a mislynch.

dram is town, and he's assumed a lot of deaths would be mislynches. Actually, give me a few minutes. Let's go ISO.

[podoboq]

I'm kinda bored by the Mirhawk fuckery.
Just mislynch his ass and move on.

its really not pistach

I think it's town upset over the bull shit

Do you really think dram cares enough to be upset?

I laughed.

I mean, I do care that we're mislynching and ignoring the scum.
But the way I see it, maybe after you guys are rid of your Mirhawk boner we can start doing some real work.

By your logic, shotty, dram is also scum.

[Cerberus v666]

Shotty, that's what I was sayint. The reason why your point has strength is because using the word mislynch rather than lynch is simply mistake for a scum slot to make. It would be more meaningful if he has been previously ambivalent or negative about the Mirhawk slot though. Since he's been displaying a belief that Mirhawk is town, it's natural for him to have said mislynch as town. It's what he believes.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Mirhawk

Awesome vig shot. I feel way better about this game now.

It's concerning to me that everyone who I am more suspicious of than confident in (podo, itlepip, and cakez) are also on the Mirhawk wagon..I still don't like mirhawk though. This is a terrible quqndary I find myself in..

Most of my town reads are refusing to vote (Marquis, TPP, you). I'm townreading Cakez and dramonic at this point, and they're on opposite wagons.

Basically, same.

Friendless Seniors: The Pied Piper, Flubbernugget, talah, Axelrod, Malakittens, davesaz, podoboq, itlepip, Mirhawk (9)

Actually look at this wagon. Mir hammered it, Axel was in it in a safe spot, another scumread for me (Flubber) lead it.

This might be an opinion difference, but I don't think a counterwagon counts

unless scum are actively trying to push it

. I'm pretty sure flubber wasn't, I don't think Axel was either (though I cant remember entirely), and

I know I wasn't

.

So if it was a counterwagon who was pushing it.

Is this what a scum slip looks like? Usually, I'm not a fan of people yelling "scum slip," but I have to admit this looks kind of egregious to me. Anyone else have thoughts?

The votes on him are easy to get. He's effectively lynched right now. Marquis and I are both willing to vote for him, we just haven't because(in my case at least) I was hoping there would be some decent conversation today.

Luckily for us, the golden goddess Marquis has returned to bring concise and relevant thoughts. Now if we could shut Mirhawk and TPP up, kill dramonic's apathy, and get dwlee to start thinking about non-TPP related stuff, we might be able to use the day.

Friendless Seniors: The Pied Piper, Flubbernugget, talah, Axelrod, Malakittens, davesaz, podoboq, itlepip, Mirhawk (9)

Actually look at this wagon. Mir hammered it, Axel was in it in a safe spot, another scumread for me (Flubber) lead it.

This might be an opinion difference, but I don't think a counterwagon counts

unless scum are actively trying to push it

. I'm pretty sure flubber wasn't, I don't think Axel was either (though I cant remember entirely), and

I know I wasn't

.

So if it was a counterwagon who was pushing it.

Is this what a scum slip looks like? Usually, I'm not a fan of people yelling "scum slip," but I have to admit this looks kind of egregious to me. Anyone else have thoughts?

This can only be a scumslip if flubber is also scum, but I was scumreading flubber anyway. Like, it seems to perfect to be true, but at the same time, it checks out.

Prod dodge / read list:

Def Town:

Marquis

- Pretty self explanatory. I also happen to have experience with her play, and she's playing basically exactly the same way she did last time we were town together. Not lynching.

dramonic

- I didn't want to have to spell this out, but look at the voting pattern. Dramonic voted Axelrod before it was cool, when Axelrod had absolutely no pressure on him, for basically the entire game. Dramonic is town.

pistachion

- duh

Mala

- Marquis has an innocent on her.

Pretty towny:

Cakez

- A lot of gut. A lot of consistency with how he played as town in our previous game. A lot of him having good reads. A lot of players I trust trusting him. I think Cakez is good.

shotty

- Don't like his opinions on the current game state, but I liked TO/Talah a lot. Would like to have him back.

Flubbernugget

- I don't know why, but I like him. I was ready to lynch Tictac, but I like Flubber's claim, and his contributing today has been worthy of keeping him around, as opposed to some other players in the game.

Pretty scummy:

dwlee

- HEY, HOW ABOUT BUILDING A CASE INSTEAD OF SHOUTING INTO THE VOID, which is basically what I'm doing by trying to speak any amount of reason to you.

itlepip

- Kinda just tired of this slot, to be honest. Beeboy was a whole lot of wifom, death tunneling someone who is now confirmed town. Itlepip protected dramonic for absolutely no reason other than "I think he's town, lol," then backed off of voting me when I was adamant about my read, but didn't actually vote for dramonic, or explain why he stopped voting for me. Like, I was 1v1ing dramonic, itlepip picked a side, then just jumped out of the middle of it when I gave him shit for it. Dramonic and I were town v town, and itlepip probably just realized he should leave me alone and let me fight rather than egg anything on, because it was bringing attention to him. But that's just how I'm reading it. If anyone forgets this exchange, and would like me to find the post number where it starts, I'll go digging.

I don't even know what to think any more:

TPP

- If I wanted to read a book, I would have finished Game of Thrones by now.

Cerberus

- All of his votes in the game have been for Mirhawk, which I find really weird. I don't know how to read this slot basically at all. I intend to ISO it at some point.

I trust Marquis:

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.


I'm voting Mirhawk because I trust Marquis to read him better than I would, so I'm basically sheeping. If it were up to me, I'd lynch dwlee or itlepip here, or remove TPP and just call it a day.

And why should we assume pod thinks mir is town? It isn't until two recent posts that he even started to consider him for town. Infact quite quickly his read went from scum to "I know he is town"

[podoboq]

dram mentioned the exact same player as a mislynch, except mentioned twice, without logic to back it up, and I haven't seen you discuss this at all, which is weird considering that one of those quote chains INCLUDES you. You didn't think it was a problem when dram was calling Mirhawk's lynch a mislynch, but it's suddenly a problem now?

To clarify, this doesn't make dram scum, for the same reason it doesn't make me scum.


OK, angry responses over. I'm gonna go eat and let you think about your actions, shotty.