In post 1448, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:@mod: I do believe given the high percentage of players who were V/LA over the last week, an extension of at least 48 hours would be reasonable. Whatdya say? ♥
I mean, likelyhood and probability then don't really play a part though.In post 1451, Titus wrote:That's the point. It is decided by the mod pregame. Most neighborhoods beyond 3 have a scum of any given faction. It's not universally true, but usually is. Setups tend to be balanced on it. Check the wiki.
Yes but as this is a Normal-classified game, it must follow certain rules. Experienced players who are familiar with these rules can often speculate about the setup given some information. Success of this can go both ways, but more information is always better for town.In post 1449, Liger_Zero wrote:I don't really want to reveal anyone unless I scumread them.
I don't want you FoS them based on just neighborhood likelyhood? Isn't it decided by the mod beforehand?
You're the best!In post 1450, SirCakez wrote:In post 1448, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:@mod: I do believe given the high percentage of players who were V/LA over the last week, an extension of at least 48 hours would be reasonable. Whatdya say? ♥I plan to give an extension once I get the empty slots filled.
If you are one of three Neighbors, chances are reasonable that one of the other Neighbors is scum.
If you are one of four Neighbors, chances are very good that at least one of the other Neighbors is scum.
If there are multiple Neighborhoods in the same game, chances are very good that at least one of them has a scum Neighbor.
If you are one of more than four Neighbors, it is nearly certain that at least one representative of every anti-town faction is in the Neighborhood.
You are spinning this in a way that either comes from scum OMGUSing getting called out or complete lack of understanding of my point.In post 1432, copper223 wrote:Given the above I find it hard to swallow that your accusation that being a LHF is a determinant for me going after a certain player comes from magma_town.
Being an LHF and being scummy is a determinant for how much pressure I will put on you, that's true and I already explained why that makes sense.
I strongly disagree that LHF is alignment indicative, if you consider anecdotal evidence proof (which is a fallacy) it is actually scum indicative in my games sample size.
So you are going to hide behind a semantics argument (word choice isn’t proper) and some buzz-word terminology to suggest that the point is invalid?In post 1432, copper223 wrote:How do you know what my state of mind is while doing something? That sounds like narrative peddling from scum, if you think I'm scum based on my play don't introduce elements like how happy or sad I am about doing something as those are unverifiable by definition.
Anecdotal evidence from a single game isn’t really relevant to this game. Should I find counter-examples where strong Mafia suspects getting suspected and lynched / Vigged breaks the game open for Town as a counter?In post 1432, copper223 wrote:The rest is nicely worded but and idealistic if true but not the way to go. In Shaman, a game Egg was in, Brian skies knew I was scum from the middle of D2, he wasted his time arguing with me which resulted in most of the rest of town calling it a TvT and helped me cover for my other teammate TTH (whom Brian also had a scumread on, in fact he decided I had to be her teammate because I was sabotaging his push on her, which was true). If he had gone about it in the proper order, first gain support to lynch TTH, and only then, once you have shown the rest of town that they can trust your reads tackle copper, he would have likely won the game, as is he lost despite his good reads.
If you your bolded stance is true why bother to use it above?In post 1432, copper223 wrote:Anecdotal evidence is once again not proof(at most it may show why I may be biased and call it a tell when it may be null and in that case wgeurts did it as newbie scum in the first game he played on site, off the top of my head), given the opposition and the remarks that some players do it as a quirk I've read I may have to can the tell in the future though.
This leads me to believe that you feel your ability to read those people is better than anyone else on the playerlist. Is this the case? What does your read on those people have to do with allowing others to get a better handle on them?In post 1452, Liger_Zero wrote:Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.
This tells me you have a big ego.In post 1458, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:This leads me to believe that you feel your ability to read those people is better than anyone else on the playerlist. Is this the case? What does your read on those people have to do with allowing others to get a better handle on them?In post 1452, Liger_Zero wrote:Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.
I'm just trying to get you to consider that this is a team game and bouncing ideas off other players can be really helpful as town.In post 1460, Liger_Zero wrote:This tells me you have a big ego.In post 1458, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:This leads me to believe that you feel your ability to read those people is better than anyone else on the playerlist. Is this the case? What does your read on those people have to do with allowing others to get a better handle on them?In post 1452, Liger_Zero wrote:Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.
I felt the same.In post 1461, zakk wrote:Liger claiming the hood makes him more likely town, imo
I don't see scum claiming that right off the bat.
If you want an honest answer, I think my ability to read players is above average, but I in no way assume I am better than anyone in this game, since i have never played with any of you.In post 1462, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I'm just trying to get you to consider that this is a team game and bouncing ideas off other players can be really helpful as town.
The hood is only open at night, so zero discussion.In post 1465, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Has there been a lot of discussion in the hood, Liger? By any one person in particular?
p-edit: I probably worded than worse than intended - it wasn't a judgement of you or your ability; it was more about using the other players as a resource.
LOLIn post 1460, Liger_Zero wrote:This tells me you have a big ego.In post 1458, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:This leads me to believe that you feel your ability to read those people is better than anyone else on the playerlist. Is this the case? What does your read on those people have to do with allowing others to get a better handle on them?In post 1452, Liger_Zero wrote:Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.
Thank you. This helps tremendously. It also reaffirms that my reads list is indeed viable.In post 1459, Liger_Zero wrote:I mean I guess it can't do that much harm?
Its Me, copper223, Persivul, and MagnaofIllusion.
Me three.In post 1463, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I felt the same.In post 1461, zakk wrote:Liger claiming the hood makes him more likely town, imo
I don't see scum claiming that right off the bat.
I am curious on why you think because of revealing the hood I am more likely town?In post 1461, zakk wrote:Oooo that's interesting. Not a fan of Titus pushing for so much info from liger right off the bat, but I find myself wanting to know too. I'm a sucker for free info.
Deadline extension much appreciated btw
Liger claiming the hood makes him more likely town, imo
I don't see scum claiming that right off the bat.
Scum on this site generally have pregame discussion. As such, they would know not everyone was in a neighborhood.In post 1470, Liger_Zero wrote:I am curious on why you think because of revealing the hood I am more likely town?In post 1461, zakk wrote:Oooo that's interesting. Not a fan of Titus pushing for so much info from liger right off the bat, but I find myself wanting to know too. I'm a sucker for free info.
Deadline extension much appreciated btw
Liger claiming the hood makes him more likely town, imo
I don't see scum claiming that right off the bat.
I mean given my thoughts earlier, I thought everyone was in a hood. Could I not have made a mistake and thought they were public knowledge already? So me confirming it essentially is just me relaying or reconfirming something someone else already said.
It starts at 464 where ETL started her “Titus is coaching Ircher” with the assumption scum don’t have daytalk.In post 1436, Egg wrote:Magna, yes I've townread drmy and Brawl all game. My read on drmy has weakened somewhat and my townread on Brawl has strengthened, but they've both been town reads all game. Can you quote the back and forth between you and ETL or at least tell me where it was? I don't remember it and scum don't usually think to fake things like that. It's not like it's the basis of my read anymore or anything but it would be nice to know the full context of it if I've missed something.
I’ve now had time to review your ISO. If you thought that was a slip why didn’t you vote when you posted your thoughts?In post 1440, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Looks like you are catching up so I assume you will come across the quote I made later on, but it turned out to be a misunderstanding of language.
So wait … it’s a Large game where more votes are required to get strong wagons going. And you’ve parked your wagon much of the day because “no good wagons are forming”?In post 1441, Persivul wrote:I don't know if it's larges in general or this game in particular, but no wagon has come close yet to actually putting pressure on someone, so my vote didn't concern me that much. In minis or micros I usually make sure to have it where I want it.
