A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[podoboq]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

Could you remind me again who your scumreads are? Cerb, me, and Axel, right? Can you remind me what your case is on any of us? You've had an extra while to make that case since I asked you almost a month ago.

I never called Cerb scum. Considering my ISO is almost entirely one-liners I'm sure you could be half-assed to go through it and find out by yourself. And my case has generally been "I've been reading the game, they're obvscum, you guys are idiots".
How is this news to you?
Podo-Axel-TPP-[dav but theres an inno on him for now] is what I've been saying.

Ah, dav, that's right. He's the one I forgot.

There's still no case. If we're obvscum, I'm sure you could be half-assed enough to make a case on at least one of us.

Just for the record. Dave ended up flipping town, Axel scum, and me? Well, I guess you can just flip me and find out.

Spoiler: Actual spoiler alert. Don't click unless you want to know my role.

I'm town.

[dramonic]

Yes, clearly your opinion on your alignment is gonna sway me.

[The Pied Piper]

Shotty, I asked you a question.

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

So dram are you upset we lynched scum? Are you going to address how wrong you were about dwee? Honestly if dwee flipped town I would be voting you today. We probably have 2 scum left. I'll give you the bus possibility here, but who else is scum to you. I'm still down for a tpp lynch because it would clear a lot up. But take tpp out what wagon are you on?

Explain in detail what mislynching us would clear up. Whose alignments do you think you would learn more about based on our flip?

Still the same reasons as before.....
Dram's behavior post-Dwlee flip has driven him up my scum list if it wasn't obvious
Itle's BG claim is believable for now
Shotty is in the Talah slot and hammered Dwlee
Mala/Marquis/Pist are conf town
Dwlee's push makes TPP basically conf town

Not much left over

Want to headline a dram push with me?
VOTE: dram
I haven't liked him for a bit, and his tunnel is concerning, but at the same time he is dram, and due to that I am biased.

Can you talk some about why you were sheeping him earlier if this is how you feel about him?



@Mala: what's your read on itlepip and cakes?

[Cerberus v666]

TPP: why aren't you continuing your analysis?

[The Pied Piper]

Mostly because it takes time. I've done some; I posted something about podoboq the other day, but I don't think anyone read it.

I'll probably due cakes next.

[Cerberus v666]

I read everything, just been distracted.

-Cerb

[podoboq]

Mostly because it takes time. I've done some; I posted something about podoboq the other day, but I don't think anyone read it.

I'll probably due cakes next.

I read it. I appreciated it. Thanks for doing it. That doesn't really do anything to influence the outcome of the game, but it might help me to be a better player at least.

[drmyshottyizsik]

TPP: why aren't you continuing your analysis?

Because his first priority is making the person pushing for his lynch look scummy.

[SirCakez]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

I don't understand this, the team is completely random, it's not like scum could have chosen extra deathtunnelers or something.

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

[pistachi0n]

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

Read
The
Fucking
Game

You read the fucking game, I asked for more explanation.

[podoboq]

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Or you could reverse that. Lynch dram, vig me if dram flips town. Could you talk to me about why you're scum reading me, Cakez.

[Flubbernugget]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

Wine? Where is it?

Do you really think two players would behave so similar and both be scum? It's possible but rubs me the wrong way

[Flubbernugget]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

Who are the two death-tunnelers in this hypothetical situation? Dram and dwlee?

Yes

[podoboq]

I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

Wine? Where is it?

Do you really think two players would behave so similar and both be scum? It's possible but rubs me the wrong way

I have to admit, I think this is a fair point.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Or you could reverse that. Lynch dram, vig me if dram flips town. Could you talk to me about why you're scum reading me, Cakez.

How you approached Dwlee. Like Marquis said, your interactions with him weren't very good

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Or you could reverse that. Lynch dram, vig me if dram flips town. Could you talk to me about why you're scum reading me, Cakez.

Of course you would, because then at least someone else dies right?

[podoboq]

Thanks for giving me something to respond to Cakez. I have to admit, though, that I don't really see how my interactions with dwlee are scummy. You say they're "not very good," and I assume by that you mean they're scummy, since it's basically the only reason you're giving to scumread me. So I went into my ISO, did a find on "dwlee" and these are some of the posts I found.

Spoiler: posts I made that demonstrate that dwlee and I are not scum partners

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.

Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.

pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.

I can see wagonning on dwlee here. Let's do it and see what happens. VOTE: dwlee

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

time to get the iso!!

On it!

post 4329

Apparently dwlee wagon isn't happening. Cerb, I thought you wanted to do that.

VOTE: FS

Happy to lynch (in descending order of happiness):
dramonic (always happy for this)
Mirhawk
FS

Will accept, begrudgingly:
Cerberus
dwlee
TPP (this and dwlee are to resolve the conflict. one of the two needs to die soon, and TPP's mislynch could at least have protown implications in proving their reads as legit town's. I will only accept if the only other option is no lynch)

What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee counterclaimed Flubber's one-shot and then retracted his counterclaim.

Since you've been here the whole time and clearly not as averse to doing a lot of digging, want to show me Flubber's reaction to that? Please?

I treated him like a dumbass but his inability to make any attempt to sort me from his actions is scummy

That's a good point. Dwlee has completely dropped the ball on actually trying to accomplish something with that counterclaim gambit.

Prod dodge / read list:

Def Town:

Marquis

- Pretty self explanatory. I also happen to have experience with her play, and she's playing basically exactly the same way she did last time we were town together. Not lynching.

dramonic

- I didn't want to have to spell this out, but look at the voting pattern. Dramonic voted Axelrod before it was cool, when Axelrod had absolutely no pressure on him, for basically the entire game. Dramonic is town.

pistachion

- duh

Mala

- Marquis has an innocent on her.

Pretty towny:

Cakez

- A lot of gut. A lot of consistency with how he played as town in our previous game. A lot of him having good reads. A lot of players I trust trusting him. I think Cakez is good.

shotty

- Don't like his opinions on the current game state, but I liked TO/Talah a lot. Would like to have him back.

Flubbernugget

- I don't know why, but I like him. I was ready to lynch Tictac, but I like Flubber's claim, and his contributing today has been worthy of keeping him around, as opposed to some other players in the game.

Pretty scummy:

dwlee

- HEY, HOW ABOUT BUILDING A CASE INSTEAD OF SHOUTING INTO THE VOID, which is basically what I'm doing by trying to speak any amount of reason to you.

itlepip

- Kinda just tired of this slot, to be honest. Beeboy was a whole lot of wifom, death tunneling someone who is now confirmed town. Itlepip protected dramonic for absolutely no reason other than "I think he's town, lol," then backed off of voting me when I was adamant about my read, but didn't actually vote for dramonic, or explain why he stopped voting for me. Like, I was 1v1ing dramonic, itlepip picked a side, then just jumped out of the middle of it when I gave him shit for it. Dramonic and I were town v town, and itlepip probably just realized he should leave me alone and let me fight rather than egg anything on, because it was bringing attention to him. But that's just how I'm reading it. If anyone forgets this exchange, and would like me to find the post number where it starts, I'll go digging.

I don't even know what to think any more:

TPP

- If I wanted to read a book, I would have finished Game of Thrones by now.

Cerberus

- All of his votes in the game have been for Mirhawk, which I find really weird. I don't know how to read this slot basically at all. I intend to ISO it at some point.

I trust Marquis:

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.


I'm voting Mirhawk because I trust Marquis to read him better than I would, so I'm basically sheeping. If it were up to me, I'd lynch dwlee or itlepip here, or remove TPP and just call it a day.

Of course, some amount of this could easily be construed as some form of distancing. I'm aware of that. I'm hoping that the volume of these posts, matters for something. If I hadn't been absent from the start of the very fast dwlee wagon, I would have jumped on board. Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood. As you can see from my ISO, I was happy with lynching either dwlee or TPP, I just didn't think dwlee was happening, and we were running out of time.


I obviously intend to be more active now that I'm on the chopping block, so if you have any questions for me, or anything you'd like me to elaborate on, please ask, so I can respond in kind. Unless you're scum, and you have no interest in giving town the chance to defend themselves.

[podoboq]

VOTE: podoboq
I think my flip podo, vig dram if town plan is the way to go.

Or you could reverse that. Lynch dram, vig me if dram flips town. Could you talk to me about why you're scum reading me, Cakez.

Of course you would, because then at least someone else dies right?

Or I'm town and want to lynch the person who's scummier than me so I don't die at all. Flipping dram so that you don't need to flip me would be A-OK in my book.

[dramonic]

Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood.

Yes, that is definitely why you're getting voted here

[podoboq]

Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood.

Yes, that is definitely why you're getting voted here

I went out and bought my friend drinks for his 21st on Saturday, and didn't check in on Mafiascum at all that night. So I wasn't in thread between 7:36pm and 12:30am when the seventh vote was placed. If I had been, I would have put my vote on dwlee (there's evidence for that in my ISO.) If I had my vote on dwlee, people wouldn't be scumreading me for my interactions with him (something I'm still not understanding.) As far as I can tell, that's the only legitimate reason people are using to scumread me, so yeah, that definitely is why I'm getting voted here. Because people think I'm dwlee's scum partner, something I could have proven wrong by simply voting him during those five hours in which the wagon went from 0 to 7. And that kinda sucks.

[dramonic]

Okay podo

[Marquis]

i think the things you're focusing on in your replies are the kinds of angles scum find it much easier to defend against

VOTE: podo

sorry podo but i'm not convinced

[Mirhawk]

Still the same reasons as before.....
Dram's behavior post-Dwlee flip has driven him up my scum list if it wasn't obvious
Itle's BG claim is believable for now
Shotty is in the Talah slot and hammered Dwlee
Mala/Marquis/Pist are conf town
Dwlee's push makes TPP basically conf town

Not much left over

I'm not really talking about myself here, I'm more referring to your stances on Flubber, Podo, and Dramonic.

I'm curious as to why you suspect those three in particular.

Though for the record I think that the fact that you're still apparently scumreading me for "reasons" you came up with on day one is hilarious.

[Mirhawk]

Hey Mirhawk talk to me about dramonic

I have mixed feelings on Dramonic.

Early I thought his confidence felt really town, and later I thought there was a period where he was actually engaging with the game. But there's also a lot a times where I've seen big stretches of shitty posts with what looks to me as no real effort to either look for scum or to try and convince other players that his reads are superior to their own. His default response to people asking about his reads or not voting his reads appears to be to rage at the person in question, which is no friggin help at all.

I'm split, I mean I've never played with him before (I think), but he's got a ton of games under his belt and I find it hard to believe that he doesn't know why nobody's taking his opinion seriously. But instead of trying to address that and explaining his reads or why they're superior to other players he's just getting pissed off and acting like a five year old.

I dunno, I guess I could go here if there wasn't a choice of something I like better. I just feel like scumreding someone for being cantankerous is kinda eh.

[Mirhawk]

vote: dramonic

yeah, fuck that noise.
Let's just finish this and give tpp the win since clearly that's what we wanna do.

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VOTE: dramonic
Whatever, I liked the Axelrod stuff from dram, but he was like that with me and TO at the beginning anyway, so I guess it's null. This business with TPP is frankly unbelievable, and self voting is deserving of a policy lynch in my book.

I dunno I think Dram is exactly the kind of person who would pitch a fit and self vote.

Also suggesting a policy lynch on someone in this situation halfway through the game is fucking stupid. I would also like to point out that "the business" with Piper isn't unbelievable, he thinks Dwlee was busing, which is plausible.

The real question is do you think Dwlee is the kind of player that will deathtunnel a scumbuddey for the entire game. It's a gutsy move, but one that can potentially pay off in terms of distancing.