New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Killthestory]

I lost all motivation to play when you all started being idiots. I have very little motivation to begin with

[Titus]

I lost all motivation to play when you all started being idiots. I have very little motivation to begin with

Why are we idiots?

[Shaziro]

I'm leaning town, apologies for the weird wording. If Jester isn't a thing, it just seems like a pointless argument and some petty squabbling among two players, and what actual play he has done that I've seen seems town beneficial.

[Killthestory]

I lost all motivation to play when you all started being idiots. I have very little motivation to begin with

Why are we idiots?

idk

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.20

Devil's Tower in the United States!

Persivul (7) - EspeciallyTheLies, Lowell, MagnaOfIllusion, Titus, copper223, zakk, Expedience
TehBrawlGuy (4) - Kop, Aneninen, Ircher, cytheflyguy
Kop (2) - Nosferatu, Egg
Aneninen (2) - Nahdia, projectmatt
zakk (2) - drmyshottyiszik, Liger_zero
cytheflyguy (1) - Shaziro
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Persivul
Titus (1) - TehBrawlGuy
EspeciallyTheLies (1) - Killthestory

Not voting (0)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-05 16:30:00) remain until day end.

Ircher is V/LA until June 3.
Aneninen is V/LA until June 3.

[Shaziro]

Alright, right now I'm not a huge fan of Percivul, I'm gonna want to see how this troll account thing got decided, and I'm suspicious of Ircher, I think. That said, I'm about too tired to keep reading. When I misread the same post 5 times, I know it's about that time, y'know? I'll bench my readthrough for now, finish it in the AM, and get on the ball.

[Nahdia]

i was about to fake gladiate anen but then i realized i already used that joke this game.

[Titus]

Nahdia, we get it. You think Anen is scum. Yet, you refuse to talk to us about it though.

[copper223]

@mod: do we know if scum gets fake claims?

[copper223]

Some of the latest posts from Persivul are making me re-examine the read.

[copper223]

I know I've tried his approach when I was frustrated town of telling the accuser that the stuff he was accusing me of was never going to be part of my scum game (spoiler: they never believe it so you might as well drop that line of argument if you're town Persi.).

[copper223]

Your saviour is here. Allow me to catch up a bit or get the jist of where things are.

Your slot is one of the preferred lynches of the faction that is currently getting wagon-ed, I'm therefore pretty interested in the jist of where things are from your pov.

[Titus]

Some of the latest posts from Persivul are making me re-examine the read.

ugh...

[copper223]

@Titus
Neighbor (with possible modifiers) is a role in the game.

[Titus]

Yes, that's why I pressured Persivul to claim or renounce them...

[zakk]

Going to bed but

Last few pages of notes include:

Town points for liger zero
Scum points for Nadia
Town points for expedience

And Cakez, for the love of not feeding the trolls can you please force replace kill the story?

[Titus]

Going to bed but

Last few pages of notes include:

Town points for liger zero
Scum points for Nadia
Town points for expedience

And Cakez, for the love of not feeding the trolls can you please force replace kill the story?

Not liking the force replace request here. Trolling is KTS.

[Nosferatu]

Titus, nope.

Drmy, zakk, and Brawl are among my strongst town reads.

Copper I lean town on.

And was Persivul the other? He's about on the same level as Copper for me.

I'd much rather lynch within Ircher/Seth/Killthestory/Huer/Lowell

That lynch list is terrible man

Nos: Started leaning scum, moved to null, moved to leaning town.

Why? I haven't done very much this game?

Also wtf is a LHF

That's the point. It is decided by the mod pregame. Most neighborhoods beyond 3 have a scum of any given faction. It's not universally true, but usually is. Setups tend to be balanced on it. Check the wiki.

I mean, likelyhood and probability then don't really play a part though.
Because it wasn't randomized in those fashions I assume.

I can reveal it but I feel like if I do you are going to just attempt to lynch a neighbor over anyone else right now. Which concerns me because I don't even have reads on them.

The reluctance to reveal the neighborhood is kinda ugh, feels like trying to appeal to you neighbors with solidarity or something

liger is clearly town. one thing that hits me the wrong way:

liger says there's a neighborhood
titus says omg who b i bet theres at least one scum
liger says pers and magna
pers votes magna

Not a good look for pers there.

Why not? Do you disagree with the theory that there's probably one scum in the neighborhood?

the fact that you obviously knew the people in the neighborhood and only now make the decision to vote another member is rather damning.

Still reading.

[Nosferatu]

also anen is scum. he slipped but I'm mobile so find it yourself.

Yeah, because supposed scum slips are just such an accurate way of finding scum.

I feel like I'm missing something here

I also think that Nosferatu's post on the next page with the image of a chainsaw is scummy, how he just comes out of nowhere with a clear agenda.

that's kind of shitty. If I'm not posting, any post I make is out of nowhere. Explain why finally posting in thread with a proper relevant opinion is "a clear agenda"?

[copper223]

Why? I haven't done very much this game?

Also wtf is a LHF

You started with what looked like IIoA (information instead of analysis) with your comment about Ircher's stats which was a potential scum tell, after you injected into the conversation with shotty where you were questioning why he clicked only one of the links I decided you must be more of thorough person in general and that tell possibly doesn't apply to you, the latest development came during the Persi. wagon debate, I thought the chainsaw argument made sense.

LHF: Low hanging fruit, someone that looks scummy so you want to pick him (i.e. lynch him).

[Nosferatu]

ALSO: if you were town you probably wouldn't have bothered to check the links
because hypothetical town-you would know that no matter what the links held, they wouldn't be relevant if it was related to me thinking you are scum.

That is possibly the furthest reach I've heard in my time on this site.

actually it's an excellent point.

no, sounds like a pretty fucking terrible point to me. If I'm town or scum, I'm looking at the game they linked because perhaps A. there's an extenuating circumstance that makes this game and that game different, and B. I want to see if he's even correct in asserting the two games are noticeably different in the first place.

[Nosferatu]

Current thoughts:
The idea that the neighborhood is 1 scum is terrible imo. You're absolutely outguessing the mod on this, and it reads like a very easy way to set up chain-mislynches. I read the whole neighborhood as Town, tbh.

Titus's math on the neighborhood raises several red flags. From the PoV of a non-neighbor Town, assuming 5 total scum, and 1 in the neighborhood, the odds of hitting neighborhood scum are 1/4, and outside of that, it's 4/16, the same odds. If you're Town, you should automatically exclude yourself from being scum, obviously. Titus isn't doing that math from the PoV of TownTitus, because she can't, so instead she's doing it from a fully neutral view. Secondly, again assuming 5 total scum, 1 neighbor-scum, from a neutral PoV, the odds are 25% and 23.5%. Why the fuck would you ever pick which pile to lynch from for a

less than 2% increase

in odds? Shouldn't any reasonable Town player be far more confident in their reads than a >2% boost, which is only true if the set-up speculation is true, which is already a stretch?

Pers's ISO has me going both ways a little bit, but I settled on a town lean. I feel for him when he said "lynch me". I feel pretty damn similar. This game has been misrepping and confbias out the ass, while you're letting low-content/scummy content players like Seth and Heur off for free, while they get a front seat to watch the thread just devolve into crap.


Fuck set-up speculation, fuck lynching on math instead of reads. One of Seth/Heur needs to die. The bigger wagon right now is Seth, so join me on it.

if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons.

[Nosferatu]

@zakk: OMG, you're going to one of my newbie games from a year ago and saying that's my definitive town meta.

Are you scum, or just a fucking idiot?

If you were really trying to dispute this you’d have brought up the much better point that the first link isn’t even to a game but to GTKAS for Zakk himself. That’s what someone who actually was criticially assessing zakk’s post would do. Because it is garbage to say “This is Town Pers” and to link to non-game thread.

But you just try to laugh it off as if meta from a year ago somehow isn’t valid. People are bringing up meta for me from 5 to 6 years ago on a regular basis.

this is also true. Not checking the link at all is just not being invested in defending yourself.

[copper223]

if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons.

Not necessarily, balance-wise you may want them not to know they are all town and that makes a sizeable difference in how much power you are giving that group from the start, it depends on what other town PR's are around basically and at the moment that is useless speculation.

[Nosferatu]

if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons.

Not necessarily, balance-wise you may want them not to know they are all town and that makes a sizeable difference in how much power you are giving that group from the start, it depends on what other town PR's are around basically and at the moment that is useless speculation.

Well, my statement assumes they don't have any other powers to use but that's a valid point.

In every normal large game I've completed so far with a neighborhood, scum has been in it. While that may be anecdotal, it's rather irrational to suppose that this game will be vastly different from the other normal larges in having an all town neighborhood.