Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[karnos]

Still think karnos is a good vote. Making a big deal out of nothing (the claim) mixed in with the sheeping and the way he made sure to vote ranger first all feels incredibly scummy to me and I can't believe I'm the only one who's going to vote this

Whatever. I think I go through this at the start of every game. I don't play to the established meta, so I must be scum. Then after a half dozen pages of random BS, a few people think I sound more town. Then some more back and forth, and someone insists they were right all along and I'm scum. In the end, I end up wasting a lot of time making defensive posts instead of actually scum hunting in a more useful way.

If you think I am scum because I am willing to reveal my RVS vote as the empty charade it is, fine. Go ahead, lynch a townie because he isn't playing the same way you like to play. In the meantime I'm going to look for behavior that actually is scummy, and actually has a scum motivation behind it, and vote appropriately. For now, that involves voting on proben.

[karnos]

Notably under town modifications it says:

Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

Good to nkow.

Yet I didn't see that, chip butty obviously didn't see that, shadow_step wasn't aware of that... I think it's possible

proben

didn't notice that rule either, and thought he could just fake claim IC and pretend he is choose not to have the mod reveal his role.

At the very least, I'd like to hear what he has to say about things.

[Chip Butty]

Notably under town modifications it says:

Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

Good to nkow.

Yet I didn't see that, chip butty obviously didn't see that, shadow_step wasn't aware of that... I think it's possible

proben

didn't notice that rule either, and thought he could just fake claim IC and pretend he is choose not to have the mod reveal his role.

Yeah, I didn't see it, but I kind of assumed it was the case, since there was nothing in the role-PMs to indicate otherwise. Also, I didn't know about the variations.

[Dunnstral]

Whatever. I think I go through this at the start of every game. I don't play to the established meta, so I must be scum. Then after a half dozen pages of random BS, a few people think I sound more town. Then some more back and forth, and someone insists they were right all along and I'm scum. In the end, I end up wasting a lot of time making defensive posts instead of actually scum hunting in a more useful way.

I mean couldn't you argue this for proben as well? I just don't think there's a reason to vote proben yet

Notably under town modifications it says:

Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

Good to nkow.

Yet I didn't see that, chip butty obviously didn't see that, shadow_step wasn't aware of that... I think it's possible

proben

didn't notice that rule either, and thought he could just fake claim IC and pretend he is choose not to have the mod reveal his role.

At the very least, I'd like to hear what he has to say about things.

Sounds like a good plan. Claim as IC, don't reveal, when getting lynched retract your claim
Where's the scum motivation?

He's also not IC unless their plan is to reveal today and fish out reactions pre-reveal or something (assuming IC doesn't reveal instantly anyway)



I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. What do you think of this?

VOTE: Shadow_Step

[ploben]

This wagon on me is cute. At least one scum is on it.

Of course I'm not Innocent Child. That gets confirmed by mod post 1. It was a joke, especially with the way I put the parenthetical statements inside it.

(not so) Innocent (mind like a) Child.

And if real town is stuck on that claim, why hasn't anyone said anything about my "cop" claim in the very post before?

Regardless, I've got a red check on the replacement slot.

So who's the opportunist scum on my wagon?

[Florestan]

Guys jokingly claiming IC isn't a slip. Also stop saying that people townslip when they kinda sound geniune, not a scummy thing it just really annoys me since that isn't what that means.

[ploben]

Guys, it's

PLOBEN

Chip is throwing a lot of mud and I don't believe his "townslip" of the setup.

Karnos is 2nd on my list. Little defensive and emotional that was unsolicited. Not inherently scummy but next best scum lead.

Florestan, you're right, my claim isn't a slip. I like your push on me.

[ploben]

VOTE: Chip Butty

[Dunnstral]

Guys jokingly claiming IC isn't a slip. Also stop saying that people townslip when they kinda sound geniune, not a scummy thing it just really annoys me since that isn't what that means.

I said Chip town slipped by not understanding how the mafia modifications worked, or something to that effect

VOTE: Chip Butty

You think he faked it?

[Florestan]

What do you like about my push on you?

[Dunnstral]

What do you like about my push on you?

Just iso'd you and I think it's really weird that Ploben said he liked his push on you from your content

Also Chip Butty is a bad vote.

VOTE: ploben

[karnos]

ploben isn't really making much sense to me.

He makes a remark about being IC, in a jokey manner.

A few posts later he says it will be confirmed, not so jokey this time.

A few people vote him and call him out for his fake IC claim.

Now ploben is like "oh, it was a fake claim! if you thought it was real it's because at least one of you is scum!"

ploben, I think everyone voting you is voting you because it was obviously a fake claim, not because they thought it was legit.

I don't like the above events. I am not sure yet if I don't like them because I can see a scum motivation behind them, or if I just don't like them because there is an "ah ha I'm smart I tricked you guys" motivation behind them.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: karnos

Shouldn't have unvoted this actually

[Dunnstral]

ploben, I think everyone voting you is voting you because it was obviously a fake claim, not because they thought it was legit.

Thought you were arguing that he was doing it as scum to be believable?

[ploben]

What do you like about my push on you?

Your responses are short and to the point and confident. Outside of that it's a gut thing.

I didn't do what I did to make friends but to do exactly this, get this game rolling and hopefully draw out some good conversation. Also, in the likely event of my death at some point in this game these events should yield some good interactions with others and hopefully town can use that. This is my play here guys, straight up. Good, bad, or otherwise.

You think he faked it?

I just feel it's not genuine. I know it must sound silly trying to parse tone from text.

Now ploben is like "oh, it was a fake claim! if you thought it was real it's because at least one of you is scum!".

Source plz? Nice misrep.

I think there's a better scum lead...Ride or die Dunnstral.

VOTE: karnos

[Dunnstral]

Scumreading Shadow_Step too by the way. Only has 4 posts but I didn't like them

I on the other hand thought it

was

genuine from chip

Actually thinking back on it I think it's kind of towny of ploben to have pointed out the town slip (think I said it was scummy earlier?) because I feel like mafia would just... ignore it and talk past it (weakish but I really think that and there's scummy people who have done just that)

[Persivul]

This game follows the rules as detailed in the wiki page. Post 2 is just a summary and has been edited to indicate that. Per the wiki, an Innocent Child is revealed at the start of day 1.

[Florestan]

Pretty sure Dunn is town here.

[Chip Butty]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I was reading you town with that previous town slip but now you're blatantly coaching your scum partner.

Regardless, I've got a red check on the replacement slot.

VOTE: Shadow_step

Also I'm confirmed (not so) Innocent (mind like a) Child.

This wagon on me is cute. At least one scum is on it.

Of course I'm not Innocent Child. That gets confirmed by mod post 1. It was a joke, especially with the way I put the parenthetical statements inside it.

(not so) Innocent (mind like a) Child.

And if real town is stuck on that claim, why hasn't anyone said anything about my "cop" claim in the very post before?

Regardless, I've got a red check on the replacement slot.

So who's the opportunist scum on my wagon?

If we're going to talk about faking things, let's talk about this: You make the TIC claim in such a way that you can claim it is a joke and retract it if you get into trouble, and even insert a setup joke about having a redcheck in the preceding post. No doubt the actual problem you foredaw is that someone would counterclaim TIC. You didn't foresee your current problem, because you didn't notice the Mod confirm thing.

What makes me more suspicious, if anything, is that in #79, you yourself point out your elaborate preparations - the parentheses in your TIC claim and the redcheck joke.

Nice OMGUS vote on me, btw.

[karnos]

ploben, I think everyone voting you is voting you because it was obviously a fake claim, not because they thought it was legit.

Thought you were arguing that he was doing it as scum to be believable?

Yes, and that would be a fake claim. A legit claim, FYI, would be an actual IC claiming to be IC. I don't know why I have to explain this.

[Chip Butty]

This game follows the rules as detailed in the wiki page. Post 2 is just a summary and has been edited to indicate that. Per the wiki, an Innocent Child is revealed at the start of day 1.

Thanks, Mod. Okay, no Innocent Child in the game, then.

[karnos]

Mod must be a little backed up, he'll post it soon.

Does this really sound jokey?

[karnos]

Thought you were arguing that he was doing it as scum to be believable?

Based on the theory that

ploben

might have mistakenly thought the IC role was only revealed by mod when the player chooses to reveal...

As scum, serves two purposes:

1- with less observant townies, you might actually succeed and fake as IC, and avoid suspicion for awhile

2- could get the real town IC to instantly confirm as a counter claim, before you come back with "oh it was just a prank bro"

As town, it serves what purpose exactly? I can't think of one, sorry. It's just throwing misinformation around. It can't confuse scum, they already know who is town, but it could confuse fellow town. It's simply playing against your win condition as town.

[ploben]

Mod must be a little backed up, he'll post it soon.

Does this really sound jokey?

Keep grasping at those straws.

[Dunnstral]

1- with less observant townies, you might actually succeed and fake as IC, and avoid suspicion for awhile

This is just a really dumb argument I don't know what to tell you