Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Chip Butty]

As town, it serves what purpose exactly? I can't think of one, sorry. It's just throwing misinformation around. It can't confuse scum, they already know who is town, but it could confuse fellow town. It's simply playing against your win condition as town.

Well, as I said earlier, it could conceivably have been Town VT trying to draw the NK, if ploben didn't notice the Mod confirm thing. If he had said that was what he was doing, I might have given him the benefit of the doubt. But he has clearly chosen the "joke" defense, which looks very shaky to me.

[ploben]

As town, it serves what purpose exactly? I can't think of one, sorry. It's just throwing misinformation around. It can't confuse scum, they already know who is town, but it could confuse fellow town.

It's not meant to confuse scum, it's meant to give scum ammo to build a BS case to mislynch my town ass. Kind of like what's going on now.

[ploben]

As town, it serves what purpose exactly? I can't think of one, sorry. It's just throwing misinformation around. It can't confuse scum, they already know who is town, but it could confuse fellow town. It's simply playing against your win condition as town.

Well, as I said earlier, it could conceivably have been Town VT trying to draw the NK, if ploben didn't notice the Mod confirm thing. If he had said that was what he was doing, I might have given him the benefit of the doubt. But he has clearly chosen the "joke" defense, which looks very shaky to me.

Wouldn't revealing the intent of my reaction test defeat the purpose of the reaction test?

I know how Innocent Child works. It was clearly not a serious claim. But I am so glad this turned out the way it did. Got the game going on IRL day 1 instead of a loooong drawn out RVS.

[duppin]

I assumed the IC would be revealed at the start of the day (because of the setup wiki), but I can see it wasn't mentioned in the OP so I can understand it might've caused confusion.

That doesn't really change anything though to be honest. I have absolutely no idea how people thought floben was being serious. Look at his page 1 posts, it was obvious he was just fooling around in rvs (like claiming to have a red check). I also fail to see what his motivation would be as scum to do it, so not sure I completely understand why some people found it scummy. I mean sure we could go for the WIFOM route, but meh. Just seemed like random RVS fluff, which isn't alignment indicative.

Oh and Dunnstral I find your townread on Chip very weird. Why do you think it was a "town slip" as opposed to a dumbtell?

[karnos]

1- with less observant townies, you might actually succeed and fake as IC, and avoid suspicion for awhile

This is just a really dumb argument I don't know what to tell you

Dumb argument vs no argument at all.

I see a few (potentially) dumb reasons to claim IC as scum. I don't see any arguments in favor of it as town, dumb or not.

Care to make one?

[Chip Butty]

I didn't do what I did to make friends but to do exactly this, get this game rolling and hopefully draw out some good conversation. Also, in the likely event of my death at some point in this game these events should yield some good interactions with others and hopefully town can use that. This is my play here guys, straight up. Good, bad, or otherwise.

This just sounds like straight-up BS to me. Now you are saying that you weren't joking, but actually making a play? At least stick to a single story.

And what was this play: Get caught fakeclaiming a Town PR? How is that going to help Town? Town will legitimately pile on you, and scum will gleefully join in, if needed. So, in the event of your death, the interactions you generated will be profoundly uninformative.

[duppin]

Ploben are you actually claiming it was a reaction test?

[duppin]

Oh and I accidently called you floben in my previous post my bad.

[karnos]

As town, it serves what purpose exactly? I can't think of one, sorry. It's just throwing misinformation around. It can't confuse scum, they already know who is town, but it could confuse fellow town.

It's not meant to confuse scum, it's meant to give scum ammo to build a BS case to mislynch my town ass. Kind of like what's going on now.

Let me try to follow your logic here:

You do something to purposely look scummy, so that if you are called out on your "obviously" purposely scummy action you can claim that the accuser is actually the real scum.

Is that what you are saying?

Why is it you think only scum could think your obviously scummy action is actually scummy, and not town?

You obviously expect to fool someone, otherwise your argument wouldn't make sense (it doesn't work unless you get called out on your scummy action), yet when you do fool someone, as you expected, you use that fact alone as evidence they are scum. It just doesn't follow.

[karnos]

I know how Innocent Child works.

It works differently in different games. According to the wiki, this form of IC is the less common form of of the role. I don't think it's far fetched to consider that you might have actually thought it worked in the more common way.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Just caught up and when I first read the Ploben thing I completely dismissed it as a joke because of the brackets and fun things inside them and was pretty surprised when people took it seriously. What he's doing/claiming to do not sure on that one yet, is a thing called Slayer's Gambit (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit) and is probably not a great way to go about finding scum but is a strategy that you can use.

[Dunnstral]

Oh and Dunnstral I find your townread on Chip very weird. Why do you think it was a "town slip" as opposed to a dumbtell?

Does that mean you think he's scum?

I said I thought his tone and what he was saying were genuine and I wouldn't really expect for him to be "dumbtelling" right out the gate

[duppin]

Chip Butty, have you finished a game as town and scum on mafiascum before? If so, please link it.

[duppin]

Oh and Dunnstral I find your townread on Chip very weird. Why do you think it was a "town slip" as opposed to a dumbtell?

Does that mean you think he's scum?

I said I thought his tone and what he was saying were genuine and I wouldn't really expect for him to be "dumbtelling" right out the gate

I'm honestly not entirely sure. I think his overall attitude is super weird. I'm leaning over eager townie on him, but would like to see a scum game of his if he has finished one.

[Chip Butty]

Chip Butty, have you finished a game as town and scum on mafiascum before? If so, please link it.

I've only finished one game on MS, and I was Town:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66365

[duppin]

Alright I see, thanks I'll take a look at it.

[karnos]

What he's doing/claiming to do not sure on that one yet, is a thing called Slayer's Gambit (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit) and is probably not a great way to go about finding scum but is a strategy that you can use.

Alright, that is just about the worst justification ever. LOL, it could be used for anything.

[ploben]

My claim was clearly a joke that turned into pretty good D1 convo. What started as a joke elicited reactions, therefore, couldn't that be considered a reaction test?

Full disclosure: I didn't set out for it to be a reaction test. It just seems to have turned out that way. Don't give me too much credit.

[ploben]

Just caught up and when I first read the Ploben thing I completely dismissed it as a joke because of the brackets and fun things inside them and was pretty surprised when people took it seriously. What he's doing/claiming to do not sure on that one yet, is a thing called Slayer's Gambit (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit) and is probably not a great way to go about finding scum but is a strategy that you can use.

Yeah, I don't consider myself a good player at all.

[Dunnstral]

Duppin thoughts on karnos? I see you're voting him from rvs, is that serious now?

[Chip Butty]

I know how Innocent Child works.

Can you link to a finished game on MafiaScum that you have played in, and which had an Innocent Child?

[ploben]

I know how Innocent Child works.

Can you link to a finished game on MafiaScum that you have played in, and which had an Innocent Child?

No

[Dunnstral]

Alright Chip here's a tinfoil theory: If ploben were mafia, naturally they would have looked at the modifications list, correct?

On that list it says innocent child is revealed day 1...

So even if ploben is mafia, it's not for any reason you're giving right now

For the record right now I'm town reading both you and ploben

[Chip Butty]

Too bad. That would have bolstered your claim that you knew how Innocent Child works, including the crucial Modconf bit.

[Dunnstral]

Pretty sure Dunn is town here.

I can't tell if this is buddying from scum or what since you were clear last game and joined in way late and wrote big walls of text for everyone's alignment. It just seems really weird to see you just drop a one-liner "X is Y"

It's probably just that we're still in early early game but still I don't know if I expected like analysis on the gamestate from you or what

Thoughts on Karnos?