Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Chip Butty]

On that list it says innocent child is revealed day 1...

Where? Can you quote it, please?

[ploben]

Too bad. That would have bolstered your claim that you knew how Innocent Child works, including the crucial Modconf bit.

So I would have to have played in a game with an IC to understand what an IC is and how it is revealed?

[Dunnstral]

Talking about the wiki which is linked to in the starting post and from the signups

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... k_the_Deck

Look under modifications (right at the top)


The other in-thread info was only edited in after the game started so he couldn't have used that

[Chip Butty]

Talking about the wiki which is linked to in the starting post and from the signups

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... k_the_Deck

Look under modifications (right at the top)


The other in-thread info was only edited in after the game started so he couldn't have used that

Oh yeah, it is in the wiki, for sure. But, see, I missed it there (didn't get around to reading the wiki pre-game, as the setup seemed to be explained in the modnotes), so I have no trouble believing others missed it too. In fact, the whole discussion over that aspect of the setup just goes to show that several people didn't pick up on it.

[Dunnstral]

You think mafia fakeclaiming ic didn't look to see that there was an ic in the setup?

It doesn't add up

[Chip Butty]

Too bad. That would have bolstered your claim that you knew how Innocent Child works, including the crucial Modconf bit.

So I would have to have played in a game with an IC to understand what an IC is and how it is revealed?

Please don't misrep me. I didn't say that. I said that if you HAD played in such a game, it would have been evidence that you understood the Innocent Child role. But that evidence is lacking.

[ploben]

Too bad. That would have bolstered your claim that you knew how Innocent Child works, including the crucial Modconf bit.

So I would have to have played in a game with an IC to understand what an IC is and how it is revealed?

Please don't misrep me. I didn't say that. I said that if you HAD played in such a game, it would have been evidence that you understood the Innocent Child role. But that evidence is lacking.

Misrep you?

Try again.

Dunnstral I think you need to rethink your town read on Chip.

[Chip Butty]

You think mafia fakeclaiming ic didn't look to see that there was an ic in the setup?

It doesn't add up

Huh??? Are you beoing deliberately obtuse, in order to muddy the waters?

Of course scum knew there was a POSSIBILITY of an IC; That is in the summary of the setup provided by the Mod. But what ISN'T in that summary is the bit about Modconf day 1. My theory, though, is that ploben didn't notice the Modconf mention in the setup summary.

[Chip Butty]

Too bad. That would have bolstered your claim that you knew how Innocent Child works, including the crucial Modconf bit.

So I would have to have played in a game with an IC to understand what an IC is and how it is revealed?

Please don't misrep me. I didn't say that. I said that if you HAD played in such a game, it would have been evidence that you understood the Innocent Child role. But that evidence is lacking.

Misrep you?

Try again.

Dunnstral I think you need to rethink your town read on Chip.

Yes, you misrepped me. I said the bit in green, and you twisted it into the bit in red.

[karnos]

Also I'm confirmed (not so) Innocent (mind like a) Child.

That's supposed to be Mod-confirmed, and I don't see the Mod confirming it yet. Until he does...

UNVOTE: VOTE: ploben

Mod must be a little backed up, he'll post it soon.

My claim was clearly a joke

I see you original IC comment potentially being a joke, but you response to chip butty is totally not a joke. You post a joke, someone takes it as a serious post, you reply "lol, I was joking". When you don't do that, it makes your whole statement suspect.

[ploben]

I asked a question. I never made a statement misrepping something you said.

[Dunnstral]

Huh??? Are you beoing deliberately obtuse, in order to muddy the waters?

Dude I explained the mod setup stuff wasn't there before today you can even see the edit

Right on the wiki it does say that it reveals day 1 right on it

You're the one muddying the waters and karnos is getting a free pass to start talking about ic things while ignoring everything else that's going on

[Dunnstral]

Chip I'm gonna tell you a secret

Players who do dumb things at the very start of a game where everyone focuses on them usually aren't mafia

Of course that's not the end all be all of scumhunting and it's different from finding someone who is just plain scummy (like karnos)

And it's not like that's the sole reason I'm townreading ploben either

Chip can I get your thoughts on karnos because that's what I really care about right now
Like we can quick-hammer this guy, just can't see him as town

[karnos]

finding someone who is just plain scummy (like karnos)

Faking a claim- not scummy at all.

Skipping over RVS and going right to a serious vote- just plain scummy.

Is that really your logic? Or is it something else I did that made me scummy, other than skipping directly over my usual semi-random vote?

[Dunnstral]

Skipping over RVS and going right to a serious vote- just plain scummy.

Is that really your logic? Or is it something else I did that made me scummy, other than skipping directly over my usual semi-random vote?

Misrep? That's not why I find you scummy and I skipped rvs to place a serious vote too

[Dunnstral]

Like right there even is a scum reaction because he doesn't try to find mafia or explain that I'm wrong, he's just following along with the useless ic discussion and now switches to subtle doubt casting on me without really "committing" to a read

[karnos]

Like right there even is a scum reaction because he doesn't try to find mafia or explain that I'm wrong, he's just following along with the useless ic discussion and now switches to subtle doubt casting on me without really "committing" to a read

Why are you clearing ploben? Just because you read him as town, that doesn't really mean anything.

You might criticize me for my choice of which mafia I am hunting, but you are just being dishonest if you are trying to claim I am not trying to find mafia at all. I may well have found one, even.

[Dunnstral]

I never "cleared" anyone?

You're mimicking other people when you're talking about the ic thing. You're not contributing anything original and I'm not seeing genuine scumhunting

[Dunnstral]

Still think karnos is a good vote. Making a big deal out of nothing (the claim) mixed in with the sheeping and the way he made sure to vote ranger first all feels incredibly scummy to me and I can't believe I'm the only one who's going to vote this

Whatever. I think I go through this at the start of every game. I don't play to the established meta, so I must be scum. Then after a half dozen pages of random BS, a few people think I sound more town. Then some more back and forth, and someone insists they were right all along and I'm scum. In the end, I end up wasting a lot of time making defensive posts instead of actually scum hunting in a more useful way.

If you think I am scum because I am willing to reveal my RVS vote as the empty charade it is, fine. Go ahead, lynch a townie because he isn't playing the same way you like to play. In the meantime I'm going to look for behavior that actually is scummy, and actually has a scum motivation behind it, and vote appropriately. For now, that involves voting on proben.

By the way this comes off as unnecessarily defensive as I was the only one even pushing you (duppin's rvs vote doesn't count)

Are you assuming that the rest of town will follow along with my push?

Thought you were arguing that he was doing it as scum to be believable?

Based on the theory that

ploben

might have mistakenly thought the IC role was only revealed by mod when the player chooses to reveal...

As scum, serves two purposes:

1- with less observant townies, you might actually succeed and fake as IC, and avoid suspicion for awhile

2- could get the real town IC to instantly confirm as a counter claim, before you come back with "oh it was just a prank bro"

As town, it serves what purpose exactly? I can't think of one, sorry. It's just throwing misinformation around. It can't confuse scum, they already know who is town, but it could confuse fellow town. It's simply playing against your win condition as town.

This looks like scum pushing on town

[Ranger]

{Shadow_step, Chip Butty, Florestan}
{duppin, BTD6}
{ploben}

1.

[Ranger]

{Shadow_step, Chip Butty, Florestan}
{duppin, BTD6}
{Shadow_step}
{ploben}
2.

[Dunnstral]

You listed shadow_step twice

I don't see how you'd be heavily townreading them either to be honest

[Dunnstral]

Wait a minute shadow_step didn't even post on page 1

LOL Ranger???

[Ranger]

{Shadow_step, Chip Butty, Florestan}
{duppin, BTD6}
{karnos}
{Dunnstral}
{ploben}
3.

[Ranger]

{Shadow_step, Chip Butty, Florestan}
{duppin, BTD6, karnos}
{Alpaca}
{Dunnstral}
{ploben}
5.