In post 240, karnos wrote: In post 233, BTD6_maker wrote:Currently my top reads for scum are Karnos and Chip Butty. Both seem to be placing undue significance onto Ploben's joke claim. It is possible that they are both scum coordinating their efforts for a Ploben lynch.
VOTE: Karnos
This is L-2. I am trying to get pressure on Karnos as a vote on Chip Butty would not accomplish much at this stage.
Okay, waiting for updates to install on a computer so I have a few minutes to explain.
1- The L-2 vote is the perfect jump-in point for scum. Scum doesn't want to be seen starting the wagon, and scum certainly doesn't want to be seen hammering. This in itself is a minor point, obviously every lynch must pass L-2 at some point, but the fact he announces it as L-2 just rubs me as a scum trying to push a wagon while acting careful.
2- BTD's ISO- seems to be coming out against Ranger in #171 #172... every scum player soon realizes Ranger is a threat, could have been testing the waters to see if he could get someone else to vote her. Fake townslip in #14.
3- Nothing original, just jumping on the wagon.
4- A personal understanding I have of BTD's play style. In my brief time here, 2 of my games were with BTD. One game we were both town, and in the other we were both scum. In both cases I found myself making very similar arguments to him. I think his style of play leads him to the same general conclusions as me, most of the time. Yet here he is, coming to just about the exact opposite conclusion as me in this game. I wonder why? Simplest explanation is that his play style is still the same as mine, but his victory condition is not the same as mine in this game. I am town, he is scum, thus the difference.
1:
I was genuinely scumreading you
This is the fact which you are ignoring. I was not simply jumping on the popular wagon, but was reading you as scum because of what I perceived as overly pushing Ploben for something trivial that could clearly be just a joke.
2: This was not based on Ranger being a "threat" to scum. It was a meta thing. Ranger was scum in Open 638 and made a similar mistake. She claims it was completely NAI and just a random mistake that can happen to anyone but the only word for that was from Ranger herself in a game she was scum in. I'm not saying she is lying, but I thought there was a possibility that what she said in Open 638 was unreliable when I had my read.
3: Again, I was genuinely scumreading you. I placed my vote on you (the wagon) rather than Chip Butty as my vote would also (in addition to showing that I scumread you) place pressure on you. Even though I said it was for pressure, it still works as any vote now brings you much closer to a lynch. What would have been L-2 is now L-1 and what would have been L-1 is now intent to hammer.
4: We do seem to have rather similar play styles, however similar play styles can frequently lead to different conclusions as in this game. If everyone with the same play style played the same way each time then scum could use it to lead people to lynch players using different methods based on that person's play style. (They still do it, but this would ensure a near-100% win rate).
This game is moving fast, and I am fairly busy at the moment. I mostly only have time to skim posts. When I free up a little, I can analyse everything in depth.
