Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[PantherPunt]

How did you get a read on Shadow_Step on page 1?

Two sources.

First, mod error. Shadow_step replaced in for a slot who, as Persivul explicitly said, did not pick up their role PMs. If the slot were scum, then we wouldn't have had scum choose the setup.

Second, and using less controversial logic, 17 didn't look like an RVS vote on a scumbuddy.

so assuming thats correct what do you think of Flores townreading Dunn?

Eh, nobody's perfect.

Like I'm expecting ranger to come in here and say that list was a reaction test and post a real list

What people don't seem to realize is that my readslists are

both

real

and

reaction tests. That's the genius behind them, which Ranger imitators fail to understand. ^_^

this is a disgusting attempt at an angleshot if you're town imo

and a logical fallacy regardless of your alignment, but it could be one where you're mafia and are attempting to mislead others with this fallacious attempt to clear shadowstep

first of all, that slot could be the traitor and have no input on the n0 actions. second, there is nothing preventing one goon showing up n0 and making the decisions in the absence of the other. where does it say both goons have to be present for the decisions to be made?

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

First, mod error. Shadow_step replaced in for a slot who, as Persivul explicitly said, did not pick up their role PMs. If the slot were scum, then we wouldn't have had scum choose the setup.

Uh.... there's more than one mafia to choose the setup
Mafia traitor is also a role that exists

17 didn't look like an RVS vote on a scumbuddy.

Probably because proben is town

and if I'd have read the next post, I'd see Dunn call you out for your jackassery

but I have a hard time believing Ranger actually believed that, and see more likelihood that it's a nefarious attempt to mislead

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.5

karnos (4) - duppin, dunnstral, ploben, BTD6
Ploben (4) - florestan, chip butty, karnos, ranger
Alpaca (1) - shadow
Chip Butty (1) - scott

Not voting (2) - PantherPunt, AlpacaAlpaca

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-06-19 07:30:00) remain until day end

[Chip Butty]

That last post by ploben "Dafuq?" looks super scummy, as if he is dismayed that his target has slipped away from the gallows just when it looked like he might be lynched.

No, not even close. Nice misrep. Try again.

Misrep? Okay, pray tell what did you mean by "Dafuq?"?

No I'd rather you continue to weave your tale and interpretations for all to see.

I've given you my interpretation, and you said I misrepped you. I then invited you to set the record straight, and you evaded.

Come on, what did you mean by "Dafuq?"? It really looks to me like an uncensored expression of dismay at Florestan's exercise of caution re: lynching karnos. Hint: further evasion will look even scummier.

[ploben]

Come on, what did you mean by "Dafuq?"? It really looks to me like an uncensored expression of dismay at Florestan's exercise of caution re: lynching karnos. Hint: further evasion will look even scummier.

Hint: I'm not going to cater to scum's agenda by continuing useless discussion. Players can interpret whatever they want by my 342 but I think it's hard to imagine I'm the only one who thought 341 doesn't make sense considering Florestan's previous post:

To hunt scum, think like scum. If you were scum BTD, and the vote was fairly close between your scum partner ploben and a townie karnos, what would you do? Vote karnos in a safe manner, sit back and see what happens? Or would you get super aggressive against me and post even more rhetoric about why I am certainly scum? I am not calling BTD stupid. If he is scum, as I suspect, he knows I am town. He doesn't want to come out against me too heavy, or it will reflect poorly when I flip town.

For the record if I were scum with Ploben I would definitely go super aggro on Karnos.

I really hate nearly everthing Karnos said, VOTE: Karnos

[Chip Butty]

Votecount 1.5

karnos (4) - duppin, dunnstral, ploben, BTD6
Ploben (4) - florestan, chip butty, karnos, ranger
Alpaca (1) - shadow
Chip Butty (1) - scott

Not voting (2) - PantherPunt, AlpacaAlpaca

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-06-19 07:30:00) remain until day end

Mod, Florestan's vote is actually on karnos...(336)

[PantherPunt]

My feeling is if Chip is town he would seriously look back and maybe reconsider this whole case on me. Town doesn't have perfect info so town's game needs to be a game of reconsideration.

Scum Chip looks so much worse if he backs off now on his case on me. Especially since he has perfect info that I'm town

and currently has Florestan and Karnos on me as well

. It's 43% on the way to a D1 mislynch.

ploben...
this seems to come from a perspective where florestan and karnos are town?

can you explain how your thoughts were working here?

[Chip Butty]

Oh, wait...Mod isn't counting that last vote from Florestan.

[karnos]

We can only lynch one scum per day, why are you so unsatisfied with the one I found? One interesting difference between us: I know your vote on my is against town- I know for a fact your scum hunting efforts have failed you. On the other hand, you can't know ploben is town. Either you are town reading him as town, in which case you could be wrong, or you and him are both scum and you are lying. I doubt the later case, but I certainly don't doubt the former as a possibility.

karnos - You're talking to Dunnstral here as if you KNOW he is town.

Not only do you start by saying his scum hunting efforts have failed (implying he is town and scumhunting)

but then the possibilities you list are
1) Dunn is town incorrectly reading ploben as town
2) Dunn is scum with ploben as scum, but you doubt it

Why couldn't Dunn be scum and is giving a correct TMI-read on a town!ploben?

If you're going to tell Dunn he could be wrong, why aren't you imagining all potential worlds, including the one where you could be wrong?

You are vastly over-complicating things.

From my PoV there are two relevant possibilities here:

Dunn is voting a town, I am voting a scum.

Dunn is voting a town, I am also voting a town.

To me, it isn't very relevant whether I am being voted on by a scum or a town player. I get lynched the same either way. Dunnstral may or may not be scum, but if he is posting in the thread he must do so from a town PoV. The alternative is to reveal himself as scum.

But if you think it's relevant, I can break down the possibilities further...

Dunn.scum is voting a town, I am voting a scum.

As I said, I doubt this is likely- buddying this hard this early is unusual for scum. But unlikely doesn't mean impossible. This could be the case.

Dunn.scum is voting a town, I am also voting a town.

I have considered this. I want this to be true, because Dunnstral as town could sink town, while Dunstral as scum can be detected and lynched eventually. But ploben is continually re-convincing me he is scum, even if my initial push on him was for the wrong reason.

Dunn.town is voting a town, I am voting a scum.

Right now, I think this is the most likely situation.

Dunn.town is voting a town, I am also voting a town.

This is sort of like my ranger read. If all 3 involved are town, we have lost already. Town will lynch one of us, and tomorrow town will lynch another, and scum will just get free reign. I don't see a player as stubborn as ploben coming back after misslynching me.

[ploben]

My feeling is if Chip is town he would seriously look back and maybe reconsider this whole case on me. Town doesn't have perfect info so town's game needs to be a game of reconsideration.

Scum Chip looks so much worse if he backs off now on his case on me. Especially since he has perfect info that I'm town

and currently has Florestan and Karnos on me as well

. It's 43% on the way to a D1 mislynch.

ploben...
this seems to come from a perspective where florestan and karnos are town?

can you explain how your thoughts were working here?

I'm not sure where you gather from my quote I thought Florestan and Karnos are town. I was simply saying Florestan and Karnos were voting me along with Chip.

[PantherPunt]

My feeling is if Chip is town he would seriously look back and maybe reconsider this whole case on me. Town doesn't have perfect info so town's game needs to be a game of reconsideration.

Scum Chip looks so much worse if he backs off now on his case on me. Especially since he has perfect info that I'm town

and currently has Florestan and Karnos on me as well

. It's 43% on the way to a D1 mislynch.

ploben...
this seems to come from a perspective where florestan and karnos are town?

can you explain how your thoughts were working here?

I'm not sure where you gather from my quote I thought Florestan and Karnos are town. I was simply saying Florestan and Karnos were voting me along with Chip.

"currently has Florestand and Karnos on me as well" reads as if you're saying he's fortunate to have two towns wagoning with him

It's not a real slip at all and I was moreso concerned with how you answered me. more satisfied than not satisfied.

Though I didn't like how you waved off my question earlier about your page 1 post

[PantherPunt]

Through 225 I think ploben and karnos might be TvT...despite how terrible Karnos posts were between posts 50-100

Once I'm fully caught up, I'm going to reread it through that lens (bc my first read through was via a scum!Karnos biased lens) and see who may have opportunistically inserted themselves, and who posted amidst it and ignored it altogether

both could be telling we'll see

[ploben]

"currently has Florestand and Karnos on me as well" reads as if you're saying he's fortunate to have two towns wagoning with him

It's not a real slip at all and I was moreso concerned with how you answered me. more satisfied than not satisfied.

Though I didn't like how you waved off my question earlier about your page 1 post

Oh ok. It was bad grammar on my part. Again, I was simply pointing out who was voting on me.

In terms of the page 1 post it was RVS banter between me and BTD. Don't read into it. Sorry if I came off mean.

[Florestan]

We can only lynch one scum per day, why are you so unsatisfied with the one I found? One interesting difference between us: I know your vote on my is against town- I know for a fact your scum hunting efforts have failed you. On the other hand, you can't know ploben is town. Either you are town reading him as town, in which case you could be wrong, or you and him are both scum and you are lying. I doubt the later case, but I certainly don't doubt the former as a possibility.

karnos - You're talking to Dunnstral here as if you KNOW he is town.

Not only do you start by saying his scum hunting efforts have failed (implying he is town and scumhunting)

but then the possibilities you list are
1) Dunn is town incorrectly reading ploben as town
2) Dunn is scum with ploben as scum, but you doubt it

Why couldn't Dunn be scum and is giving a correct TMI-read on a town!ploben?

If you're going to tell Dunn he could be wrong, why aren't you imagining all potential worlds, including the one where you could be wrong?

You are vastly over-complicating things.

From my PoV there are two relevant possibilities here:

Dunn is voting a town, I am voting a scum.

Dunn is voting a town, I am also voting a town.

To me, it isn't very relevant whether I am being voted on by a scum or a town player. I get lynched the same either way. Dunnstral may or may not be scum, but if he is posting in the thread he must do so from a town PoV. The alternative is to reveal himself as scum.

But if you think it's relevant, I can break down the possibilities further...

Dunn.scum is voting a town, I am voting a scum.

As I said, I doubt this is likely- buddying this hard this early is unusual for scum. But unlikely doesn't mean impossible. This could be the case.

Dunn.scum is voting a town, I am also voting a town.

I have considered this. I want this to be true, because Dunnstral as town could sink town, while Dunstral as scum can be detected and lynched eventually. But ploben is continually re-convincing me he is scum, even if my initial push on him was for the wrong reason.

Dunn.town is voting a town, I am voting a scum.

Right now, I think this is the most likely situation.

Dunn.town is voting a town, I am also voting a town.

This is sort of like my ranger read. If all 3 involved are town, we have lost already. Town will lynch one of us, and tomorrow town will lynch another, and scum will just get free reign. I don't see a player as stubborn as ploben coming back after misslynching me.

'Like your ranger read' is awful. You seem to be making reads based on how much you want them to be true rather actual evidence. Stop being such a defeatist and give content.

[Florestan]

like quote why you think Dunn might be scum and why ranger might be town that isn't just 'I want them to be' or 'Dunn is voting me and I'm town'

[ploben]

@Florestan
Just a little housekeeping...Mod didn't count your vote because it wasn't at the beginning of the line.

[PantherPunt]

"currently has Florestand and Karnos on me as well" reads as if you're saying he's fortunate to have two towns wagoning with him

It's not a real slip at all and I was moreso concerned with how you answered me. more satisfied than not satisfied.

Though I didn't like how you waved off my question earlier about your page 1 post

Oh ok. It was bad grammar on my part. Again, I was simply pointing out who was voting on me.

In terms of the page 1 post it was RVS banter between me and BTD. Don't read into it. Sorry if I came off mean.

It didn't come off as mean. It came off as dismissive like you didn't want to explain what your thought was at the time.

Spoiler: PantherPunt Quote

I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

RVS nonsense. Let's move on.

My apologies for being a persistent and potentially annoying thorn here, but it would really help me if you could just tell me what you meant by the line I emphasized

[PantherPunt]

like quote why you think Dunn might be scum and why ranger might be town that isn't just 'I want them to be' or 'Dunn is voting me and I'm town'

hey can you reply to 310 please

[Florestan]

Spoiler: this gets a bit wally, sorry.

My reads. I'd rather not post this, but I have to admit it looks like I might get lynched, best to get the information out so that town can gain something from my death.

town
----
karnos - the only player I know for sure is myself.

as which alignment though

Ranger - if ranger is scum we are doomed.

Why is this? This is oddly defeatist for the first day. Look if you are town here you need to rethink this game because this perspective is stupid.

Shadow_step - seems to be using the sort of logic a town should use to catch scum.

Where?

Scott Brosius - i think he is misguided town, from my experiences a lot of town players who haven't played through a game with me think my posting style is scummy

Why is he town. Believe it or not we don't know that you are town, so saying 'lol misguided' whenever someone scumreads you is just annoying.

AlpacaAlpaca - i think just a newbie town putting way too much credence in wiki info

this read is pretty funny, but why does town do that more?

Chip Butty - probably town, but it has crossed my mind that a scum might want to defend me to build some town cred when i flip. 80% likely town

Every time you base a read on your alignment you successfully piss me off.

Bulletproof Ben - can't read, no posts. statistically more likely to be town than scum.
Florestan - probably town that is just coming to some wrong conclusions, but could be scum.

STOP IT!

duppin - weird RVS vote planting and refusal to move, lack of recent posts. seems scummy to me.

Bullshit read is BS

ploben - either scum or very stubborn town who refuses to admit an error. uses a lot of non-logic and contradicts himself a lot, but I am starting to wonder if he is just dumb town.

Seriously again you are wrong in this argument, it isn't alignment indicative

Dunnstral - one of two types. either very arrogant town that thinks he has everything figured out when he obviously doesn't, or scum trying to control the game in a very aggressive manner. if scum, I could easily see him turn on ploben on day 2 after i flip town. If town, he will probably convince himself he was right about ploben and go for chip, sinking the game for town if chip flips town. dangerous player for town either way.

You know how you didn't like me saying objective things, yeah take that and square it for this. I really hate it.

BTD6_Maker - based on my experience playing with town.BTD and scum.BTD, this is clearly scum.BTD
----
scum

@Karnos
I'd rather not spend anymore time on this as you're not bringing anything new to the table. Plus I'd rather not give scum a roadmap by responding. You should understand that.

I see, you are doing something you called scummy. It must be another joke! do you ever post anything real, or is your entire iso a bunch of jokes?

I'm looking forward to reading your posts on day 2.

Karnos flips town.

ploben: oh, my lynch vote on him was just a joke! I'm totally not scummy!

we get it you want to announce you are town. This isn't content.

I'll respond to panther after he is fully caught up.

duppin - weird RVS vote planting and refusal to move, lack of recent posts. seems scummy to me.

Not quite sure I understand this. Do you find me scummy for RVS voting or because my vote is still there? Also the lack of recent posts is a bit weird statement, I'm not always around.

It's scummy because you voted me before the stated reason for voting me even existed. You decided I was scum first, and *then* you accepted evidence to confirm what you already decided, on page 1 of the thread. Sure, maybe once in a while you are lucky enough to randomly vote the one player you will legitimately decide is scummy all through to the end of the game, but I don't think this is random luck. I think this may just be a scum who doesn't care who gets lynched as long as it's not his scum mates, and leaving your random vote sitting on me until I get lynched is the perfect cover.

On day 2, you will just claim "oh, I'm sorry, that was my RVS vote, I'm not scum I just forgot to switch"

No, I don't accept that. If I am going down, I want you to take responsibility for your vote. Explain clearly why you are voting me, and why you think I can't be town.

just stop it. town flip town all the bloody time if you even are town, you aren't special.

Overall I find your readlist really questionable. First of all I find it rather interesting how all of your strongest scum reads are all the people who voted on you. I can't help but feel this is just OMGUS, but feel free to prove me wrong.

OMGUS is not a scum tell. Of course it looks bias- I have information you probably do not have: I know I am town. I don't know ploben's alignment. From my perspective, it is far more likely the scum would wagon a town rather than wagon ploben, who could potentially be another scum. I fully expect scum to be on my wagon rather than his.

I'm actually starting to wonder if OMGUS is used as a complaint by scum more than town, it seems like it is. It's not really a scum tell, but scum often claim it against town to discredit the townies vote. I should do some analysis of my last few games.

Your reads are so lazy, Ploben is my counterwagon so I'm going to vote there because its my counterwagon. He is nowhere near confirmed scum even if you town here. There are many games where the counterwagon to a lynched town is town.

[quote="In I haven't played with BTD before, so I'd like you to elaborate. What's the difference between his town and scum play? As in, what makes this "clearly scum TBD"?
I'd also really like you to explain the strong town read on Ranger.

I am not sure ranger is town, but the ... 5]post 299, karnos"]

Karnos-one of the people who harped on the Ploben thing which I’m super not a fan of + he was wrong for the majority of the argument.

I don't like this. I wasn't reading you as scum, but of all the things to say... this just seems wrong.

"he was wrong for the majority of the argument"

Are you saying I'm wrong, and ploben is town? How do you know that?

You completely missed my point here. His IC post, regardless of his alignment, was always just a jokey RVS post and not a claim. Scum don't claim IC period because its stupid. Heck town don't claim IC either they just reveal themselves. I think he is town for Dunn's argument but that wasn't why I think you are scum.

Or are you just guessing that I am wrong? How about after I flip town, then will you take my argument a little more seriously?

no

I just don't like it. As town, I would never make such a definite statement- you can't know ploben is town. I don't think you are scum, but i'm afraid of what the other players might think after you say such things if I get lynched.

I am really hoping ploben is scum, because if he gets me lynched as town then we have already lost. Actually something I just realized. I didn't think ploben and dunnstral could both be scum, it's way too obvious... except this game could have a mafia traitor. If one of them is the traitor and the other a goon, it could fit with them both being scum. BTD being the obvious other goon, playing cautious and entering the wagon at the safest point. If I get lynched, keep the above in mind when you see my flip.

um, to be fair this is a little towny insanity versus scum insanity. None of this is true however. Again, you aren't special, you getting lynched or Ranger being scum doesn't mean that the game is over, and if that's your viewpoint you are never going to help town. How new are you? Your alignment should generally not be the focus point of your analysis: IE even if you flip town, I'm more worried about people that are acting scummy than just 'XXXX pushed Ploben they must be scum' which is basically everything that has ever come from your mouth. Read between the lines and don't just call your accusors scum.

Please note this excerpt of post #86 "ploben, I think everyone voting you is voting you because it was obviously a fake claim, not because they thought it was legit.

I don't like the above events. I am not sure yet if I don't like them because I can see a scum motivation behind them, or if I just don't like them because there is an "ah ha I'm smart I tricked you guys" motivation behind them."

I was giving ploben an out way back then. Town.ploben could have admitted he was trying to be a bit too clever and apologized, instead he pushed further and continued to claim that what he did (fake claiming IC) is not a scum indication. That is why I continued to vote him and pressure him, if it was really "just a joke" he had the perfect chance to get out and admit such then, instead he carried on with his claim that is was some sort of trap to catch scum.

he never claimed IC dude. That just factually never happened this game. He claimed not IC, and then you people cluttered the thread with shit.

Just one example of ploben's contradictory posts:

It's not meant to confuse scum, it's meant to give scum ammo to build a BS case to mislynch my town ass. Kind of like what's going on now.

This doesn't make sense! Mod ALWAYS confirms innocent child day 1 so town has a head start to be able to trust them. Scum would know the IC right off the bat and already have that info for the possibility of a night kill.

#101 Apparently he was hoping scum wouldn't know how the IC works and call him out for trying to claim the role. #218 He completely flip flopped, and claims scum would always know right from the start how IC works.

Okay ploben, which is it? Are scum smart players who look up the setup and understand every role, in which case your theory of catching one out with your fakeclaim is BS, or are scum dump players who might fall for your fakeclaim, in which case your claim that scum always knows how IC works is BS? You can't have it both ways.

stop talking about the IC claim, pretend it never happened.

OMGUS is not a scum tell no, I never claimed it was, but it isn't a town tell either. It is however a pretty bad play, as you're reads are obviously very biased.

I have no idea why you keep coming up with weird scenarios about what people are going to say tomorrow.

Really? You have no idea?

If I am lynched, I can't speak tomorrow, but my flip will speak for me. So I have to say these things now, so the scum responsible can be properly handled on day 2.

And really you are being a bit silly. OMGUS refers to voting. I didn't vote you, I just happen to read you as "probably scum".

OMGUS isn't just voting, its just that voting is usually a good marker of how scummy you think someone is.

I see, but if you think this is the case why do you think ploben is scum? Wouldn't ploben have to be town for this to make sense, seeing as you are currenly tied at 4 votes?

Are you trying to say that scum.BTD wouldn't vote me if ploben is also scum? Why not? I am truly confused by this question of yours.

You claimed that scum.BTD doesn't need to get involved in the game as long as the lynch is heading towards a town, so if you do not think he has been involved in this game wouldn't that mean that ploben was town as well? Seeing as the lynch was heading towards either you or ploben.

Had to make sure you aren't a newbie, because it seems painfully obvious to me.

To hunt scum, think like scum. If you were scum BTD, and the vote was fairly close between your scum partner ploben and a townie karnos, what would you do? Vote karnos in a safe manner, sit back and see what happens? Or would you get super aggressive against me and post even more rhetoric about why I am certainly scum? I am not calling BTD stupid. If he is scum, as I suspect, he knows I am town. He doesn't want to come out against me too heavy, or it will reflect poorly when I flip town.

When I spoke of his game involvement, I meant something more than tunneling. In his town game he votes and unvotes and switched lynch targets many times. Often he votes for "pressure" to get answers in which case he doesn't even want to lynch his vote target. In this game, I see none of that. He is planting a vote at the safest point to do so with the intention of making sure I get lynched without drawing a lot of attention to himself.

Stop assuming Ploben is scum when reading other people. Also BTD's iso is pretty clear that he isn't a player to get all aggressive, not that I like his play

I'd like you to consider a different world for a moment. Imagine you and ploben are both town. Thoughts?

Oh, I have. In the "ploben is town" scenario, Dunnstral is scum, pushing the wagon and trying to make sure at one of us gets lynched, which leads him nicely into a day 2 lynch of the other one. BTD scum still works fine in that scenario. I would prefer ploben to be town, because I am afraid if dunnstral is actually town he is going to lead to a very quick town loss, but sometimes that is just the luck of the draw.

where the fuck is this coming from?

However, ploben has just continually posted his "jokes" and fake logic that just keeps reaffirming to me that he is indeed scum, town wouldn't be so obtuse.

Wrong, OMGUS does not have to refer to a vote no.

Well, then you are just using your own made-up definition. I guess it can mean whatever you want it to mean if you aren't going to go by what the wiki says.

Basically it sounds like you think BTD is scum no matter what ploben's alignment is, so why isn't your vote on him?

If I vote BTD, it's a useless gesture, he has no votes on him.

By voting ploben, there might be a 50/50 chance of the lynch going to me or him. By voting BTD, it's closer to 100% going to me. I am town, so 100% chance of lynching town is worse than a 50% chance of lynching "probably scum".

ITS 3 DAYS INTO D1, YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED HERE THIS IS STUPID LOGIC

I had more but I got frustrated and gave up.

I actually think Ranger is more likely scum than you all things considered but I couldn't ever get myself to unvote right now, I probably will later.

[ploben]

Spoiler: PantherPunt Quote

I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

RVS nonsense. Let's move on.

My apologies for being a persistent and potentially annoying thorn here, but it would really help me if you could just tell me what you meant by the line I emphasized

I laugh and cringe and the same time as I think to post this but...I was just kidding around with BTD because it was RVS.

[Florestan]

@Florestan
I'm assuming you find it scummy then so can you post links to games (completed of course) where you have seen this, called it out, and that player has flipped mafia?

I have 1 completed game dude.

VOTE: Ploben I don't like the way you are approaching this right now.

riiiight

what, specifically, didn't you like about how ploben was approaching what, specifically?

hey!
Basically first that this is the push that he 'liked' from me, second that I can't call anything scummy unless I can quote exact meta.

[PantherPunt]

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I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

RVS nonsense. Let's move on.

My apologies for being a persistent and potentially annoying thorn here, but it would really help me if you could just tell me what you meant by the line I emphasized

I laugh and cringe and the same time as I think to post this but...I was just kidding around with BTD because it was RVS.

OK. But you saying that he's leading town in wrong direction by voting bulletproof ben (my slot) sounds as if you KNOW the slot is town. And only scum could know that. So I guess I just don't get the "kidding around" component of it. Or it's a scum slip. Would be a hilariously bad and early one, so meh. But you waving it off the first time I asked, but being willing to answer the second question I ask is intriguing.

Spoiler:

@Florestan
I'm assuming you find it scummy then so can you post links to games (completed of course) where you have seen this, called it out, and that player has flipped mafia?

I have 1 completed game dude.

VOTE: Ploben I don't like the way you are approaching this right now.

riiiight

what, specifically, didn't you like about how ploben was approaching what, specifically?

hey!
Basically first that this is the push that he 'liked' from me, second that I can't call anything scummy unless I can quote exact meta.

fair enough. idk why you're doing that font but whatever
I really didn't like your early posting bc it was sticatto and didn't match the tone I expected from you. but we shall see. while I have your attention, what do you think of ranger?

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

I was only looking at the roles for Town and somehow ignored the roles for scum. I had only ever seen Bulletproof as Town before.

still confused.
if you looked at the town roles, then you knew bulletproof wasn't even on the list of town roles. so why was that your excuse? that you're used to bulletproof being a town role and you only looked at town roles?

if it was just an RVS joke about his name, then you would have just responded "it was just an RVS joke about his name"
but instead, it was pointed out that bulletproof was a mafia role and you made an excuse about it (that wasn't necessary to make. scum guilt?) by saying you forgot it was a mafia role in this game

this is like the antithesis of the ploben thing. he is failing to explain something by saying 'it was a joke'. you're overexplaining something that should have just been waved off via 'it was a joke'

[ploben]

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VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

RVS nonsense. Let's move on.

My apologies for being a persistent and potentially annoying thorn here, but it would really help me if you could just tell me what you meant by the line I emphasized

I laugh and cringe and the same time as I think to post this but...I was just kidding around with BTD because it was RVS.

OK. But you saying that he's leading town in wrong direction by voting bulletproof ben (my slot) sounds as if you KNOW the slot is town. And only scum could know that. So I guess I just don't get the "kidding around" component of it. Or it's a scum slip. Would be a hilariously bad and early one, so meh. But you waving it off the first time I asked, but being willing to answer the second question I ask is intriguing.

No, I don't know the slot is town. Again, it was RVS, it wasn't serious. Based on what you've posted so far in this game I don't take you for that kind of player, to let RVS stuff dictate your reads. This must be a reaction test for me...I hope I passed

You asked nicely the 2nd time and there is no reason to be BM in Mafia so I indulged you by responding.

[BTD6_maker]

Spoiler:

I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

I was only looking at the roles for Town and somehow ignored the roles for scum. I had only ever seen Bulletproof as Town before.

still confused.
if you looked at the town roles, then you knew bulletproof wasn't even on the list of town roles. so why was that your excuse? that you're used to bulletproof being a town role and you only looked at town roles?

if it was just an RVS joke about his name, then you would have just responded "it was just an RVS joke about his name"
but instead, it was pointed out that bulletproof was a mafia role and you made an excuse about it (that wasn't necessary to make. scum guilt?) by saying you forgot it was a mafia role in this game

this is like the antithesis of the ploben thing. he is failing to explain something by saying 'it was a joke'. you're overexplaining something that should have just been waved off via 'it was a joke'

Look at my RVS vote in Open 638. (Yes, I was scum. No, that was not in any way relevant). My vote was on a similar principle to when I voted Kop for not being cop (in Friends and Enemies and Enemies there was no cop) so I did the same here.