Newbie 1714 (Game Over)

[Raskolnikov]

Please don't mock me.

[beeboy]

*pokes*

[F-oh-ex]

I never said I didn't read the game, did I? I usually make 2-3 thorough rereads before solidifying opinions - that's what I referred to as solid reading. Also, Ranger's reads were early reads, she posted them what, 1-2 IRL days into game? That's hardly final enough to draw a nightkill while being a strong townread is.

I'm not mocking you personally, I'm being generally sardonic.

[F-oh-ex]

FYI: I will be free on Saturday, meanwhile I'm studying for a big, very important test (it's on Friday) which covers material I particularly struggle with and I'd rather not fail my academic year so I'll pop in every so often but I can make real presence no sooner than on Saturday.

[Sickofit1138]

Please don't mock me.

agreed.

@FOX

havent you noticed that sarcasm isnt usually a townie thing to do?

[Zyf]

Please don't mock me.

agreed.

@FOX

havent you noticed that sarcasm isnt usually a townie thing to do?

beeboy did it
but it was in a very different manner
You know guys I think we have some very solidified opinons rn that vandit is 99% going to be the one we lynch today and that fox seems relatively scummy
Still tho, please, no one vote vandit yet cuz seeing their attitude towards hammers they could easily self hammer e.e
I'd like to bring this up again:

I don't think Ranger was killed for only being the IC she was probably also killed for having correct reads.
There had to have been something there to offset the chance she was targeted by a protective action last night.

I have a sneaking suspicion that beeboy's PR. They post solid thoughts but those thoughts are rare, and I feel that their low post amount may be due to more than just being under the weather. Either beeboy's hinting at being a prot role /or/ they're trying to draw out a mafia to claim a protective role when beeboy can counterclaim.
Just a speculation.
Also beeboy what do you mean by "*pokes*" ?

[Zyf]

Fox, I understand your concern towards beeboy knowing too much, but I think you two are getting into nitty gritty details that aren't really necessary.
In fact, if what beeboy is saying is true, it makes a lot of sense: Sad was lynched, so the only person that leaves as scummy to ranger is Vandit. Guess who has been under a great deal of scrutiny lately: vandit.
Second, if you're saying that protecting general townread>protecting IC, that leaves 2 possibilities.
From what I can tell, the 2 general townreads were Rask and I: the only one that scumread ranger by the end of the day was rask, so if rask was scum, that leaves only me. However, if I was general town read mafia would probably have chosen to kill me, but the kill succeeded on ranger, meaning that A) they weren't going for me (and the only 2 people I found not suspicious were you and rask, so I probably pointed fingers at them at some point) and B) they thought ranger was more of a threat than me (which, considering ranger could have easily been a lynch candidate for pushing the VT sad, makes no sense:

unless

ranger's reads were correct).
This means that vandit is extra scummy-looking now.

However, since ranger's out of the picture, beeboy was mostly inactive and sick, and rask was relatively townread (and still appears to be so), there is quite a high chance that this is a newbie scum team. This team could have easily not thought my above idea through (ranger would harder to lynch than some other player, which she really wouldn't have been). In fact, with all the evidence pointing to vandit, all of us pretty much glaring at vandit, and you (as the only one not really doing that) seeming to have read progression noticeable enough for a more experienced player like rask to trust (not dvds or something like that), it's also possible that the scum team is vandit+dvds. The vandit dvd team is extra notable considering that vandit whined about even me being unproductive/inactive, but completely ignored dvds, the MOST INACTIVE ONE (extra scum point for vandit, I just noticed that). If that is so, then vandit was probably making most of the decisions (or perhaps all of them), as dvds seems to be straight up gone. Vandit could have easily gotten irritated at ranger (appeared to be so during the day), plus ranger scumread vandit, so ranger was, to vandit, a very viable choice for a kill.

Now here's the thing: that goes directly against beeboy's theory that there is a roleblocker involved. Beeboy, response?

tl;dr-If beeboy's theory is wrong then a vandit+dvds team is highly likely

^Beeboy idk if you lost this so I'm putting it back up again.

Also fox seems to kinda desperately be putting up evidence for anyone but vandit...and it doesn't seem to be working.

Ok, just making sure, does anyone /not/ have intent on vandit aside from fox?
Specifically looking towards rask and beeboy.

[F-oh-ex]

Er, where did you get that I DON'T have an intent on Vandit? I just followed the trail I saw and as I said, I'm kinda busy until Saturday. I've seen a policy lynch suggestion for Vandit and hell, I'm down for that if we don't have a better target in out collective hive mind. As per scum reading, I haven't dug deep enough yet to make an opinion whether he's such an obvious scum or an idiot town.

[Zyf]

Er, where did you get that I DON'T have an intent on Vandit? I just followed the trail I saw and as I said, I'm kinda busy until Saturday. I've seen a policy lynch suggestion for Vandit and hell, I'm down for that if we don't have a better target in out collective hive mind. As per scum reading, I haven't dug deep enough yet to make an opinion whether he's such an obvious scum or an idiot town.

iunno
maybe because you leave your vote on beeboy and kind of push on it?

[F-oh-ex]

Why wouldn't I vote someone who stroke me as scum. Leaving a vote right now is of no much consequence, not at this stage, and everyone shouts not to vote Vandit anyway. And I actually dropped the topic for the time being yesterday when I saw it going into a dead alley so I'm hardly pushing it anymore.

[Zyf]

ok valid
so now afaik we have 3 more people than we need to lynch vandit.
Vandit, start explaining.

[F-oh-ex]

Can we actually use the 2 weeks we have for a day and, even if we agree on a lynch earlier, do it after ~10 days? Speedlynching won't do us any good and, especially since we were robbed of out time during day 1, we could certainly use more time to talk now.

[Sickofit1138]

I can agree with fOX here actually. Since Vandits toxic attitude is mostly absent right now I have no problem taking our full allotted time

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 2.3

Vandit24 (2):

Zyf, beeboy

beeboy (1):

F-oh-ex

No Vote (4):

mhsmith0, Raskolnikov, Sickofit1138, Vandit24

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-06-20 16:00:00).

[beeboy]

I am fine talking for 10 days as long as we lynch Vandit in the end of it.

[beeboy]

Fox, I understand your concern towards beeboy knowing too much, but I think you two are getting into nitty gritty details that aren't really necessary.
In fact, if what beeboy is saying is true, it makes a lot of sense: Sad was lynched, so the only person that leaves as scummy to ranger is Vandit. Guess who has been under a great deal of scrutiny lately: vandit.
Second, if you're saying that protecting general townread>protecting IC, that leaves 2 possibilities.
From what I can tell, the 2 general townreads were Rask and I: the only one that scumread ranger by the end of the day was rask, so if rask was scum, that leaves only me. However, if I was general town read mafia would probably have chosen to kill me, but the kill succeeded on ranger, meaning that A) they weren't going for me (and the only 2 people I found not suspicious were you and rask, so I probably pointed fingers at them at some point) and B) they thought ranger was more of a threat than me (which, considering ranger could have easily been a lynch candidate for pushing the VT sad, makes no sense:

unless

ranger's reads were correct).
This means that vandit is extra scummy-looking now.

However, since ranger's out of the picture, beeboy was mostly inactive and sick, and rask was relatively townread (and still appears to be so), there is quite a high chance that this is a newbie scum team. This team could have easily not thought my above idea through (ranger would harder to lynch than some other player, which she really wouldn't have been). In fact, with all the evidence pointing to vandit, all of us pretty much glaring at vandit, and you (as the only one not really doing that) seeming to have read progression noticeable enough for a more experienced player like rask to trust (not dvds or something like that), it's also possible that the scum team is vandit+dvds. The vandit dvd team is extra notable considering that vandit whined about even me being unproductive/inactive, but completely ignored dvds, the MOST INACTIVE ONE (extra scum point for vandit, I just noticed that). If that is so, then vandit was probably making most of the decisions (or perhaps all of them), as dvds seems to be straight up gone. Vandit could have easily gotten irritated at ranger (appeared to be so during the day), plus ranger scumread vandit, so ranger was, to vandit, a very viable choice for a kill.

Now here's the thing: that goes directly against beeboy's theory that there is a roleblocker involved. Beeboy, response?

tl;dr-If beeboy's theory is wrong then a vandit+dvds team is highly likely

^Beeboy idk if you lost this so I'm putting it back up again.

Also fox seems to kinda desperately be putting up evidence for anyone but vandit...and it doesn't seem to be working.

Ok, just making sure, does anyone /not/ have intent on vandit aside from fox?
Specifically looking towards rask and beeboy.

I think even outside the night kills Vandit is scum so it isn't something I am worrying about :\

[Sickofit1138]

I am fine talking for 10 days as long as we lynch Vandit in the end of it.

Seconded.

[Zyf]

Yep. Agreed
So what are we speculating? Scumpartner or PRs?
Or both?
Also fox at the beginning of toDay you mentioned that killing general townread>killing IC.
Since you imply ranger was not IC, who were you expecting to get attacked?

[beeboy]

Pro tip never speculate who is a PR in the public game thread

[Zyf]

Ok
so then what are we doing for the next 10 days? I'm not sure where to go.
I've solidified mh or fox as vandit's most likely accomplice, particularly fox since he is one of the few people not called out by vandit and he started off slightly less keen to lynching vandit than the rest of us.

[F-oh-ex]

Yep. Agreed
So what are we speculating? Scumpartner or PRs?
Or both?
Also fox at the beginning of toDay you mentioned that killing general townread>killing IC.
Since you imply ranger was not IC, who were you expecting to get attacked?

How the fuck did I imply ranger was not IC, Ranger being IC is a freaking fact. I suspected Mafia RB being in play from beeyboy's posts and if there is one, there's a Doc/JK too. This means Mafia wouldn't want to go for the most obvious kill.

And to be honest, I didn't have a good guess on who would be killed.

[beeboy]

I don't really have a preference when we end the day. I am not one of those people who will usually drag out the game (depends on what kind of mood I am in) but if someone wants to take advantage of the entire day more power to them.

[beeboy]

I personally would have killed Zyf because the Rask + Ranger 1v1 would have been nice to have assuming Rask is town which isn't something I actually believe right now. I still don't like his initial push on Ranger... >_>

[Zyf]

Yep. Agreed
So what are we speculating? Scumpartner or PRs?
Or both?
Also fox at the beginning of toDay you mentioned that killing general townread>killing IC.
Since you imply ranger was not IC, who were you expecting to get attacked?

How the fuck did I imply ranger was not IC, Ranger being IC is a freaking fact. I suspected Mafia RB being in play from beeyboy's posts and if there is one, there's a Doc/JK too. This means Mafia wouldn't want to go for the most obvious kill.

And to be honest, I didn't have a good guess on who would be killed.

OMFG lmao what a fail
I meant general townread XDDDDD

[Zyf]

I personally would have killed Zyf because the Rask + Ranger 1v1 would have been nice to have assuming Rask is town which isn't something I actually believe right now. I still don't like his initial push on Ranger... >_>

That's what I was saying, I would've killed off someone like you who wasn't pushing anyone very much
Tbh if sad died the first person I would immediately accuse and choose to kill would be ranger.
Definitely strengthens ranger's idea of a newb scumteam.