Drmy, zakk, and Brawl are among my strongst town reads.
Copper I lean town on.
And was Persivul the other? He's about on the same level as Copper for me.
I'd much rather lynch within
Ircher/Seth/Killthestory/Huer/Lowell
I didn't have Lowell on my hit list but in checking I agree his play has been pretty textbook scummy especially for an oldbie. Pop in every once in a while, throw shade, leave.
k here's another thing
you're right about me and Brawl. Drmy, also maybe
Persivul, was also town
Seth/Huer/Lowell you have as scum and they are currently voting me
there is literally no reason to trust me. but you should anyway.
as far as me being pro-town that should pretty much speak for itself. i protect the people i have town reads on and i try to lynch the people i think are scummy.
i kinda disregarded you as spam in the first few days of the game, and didn't really look back.
after i had to reshuffle things you came out pretty scummy because you're kinda hanging on the periphery, not being a heavyweight like me and titus and ETL and such, but still making a lot of posts and a lot of noise (which is something i do as scum)
ugh this was a town response! VOTE: titus if it wasn't there.
there is literally no reason to trust me. but you should anyway.
as far as me being pro-town that should pretty much speak for itself. i protect the people i have town reads on and i try to lynch the people i think are scummy.
i kinda disregarded you as spam in the first few days of the game, and didn't really look back.
after i had to reshuffle things you came out pretty scummy because you're kinda hanging on the periphery, not being a heavyweight like me and titus and ETL and such, but still making a lot of posts and a lot of noise (which is something i do as scum)
ugh this was a town response! VOTE: titus if it wasn't there.
there is literally no reason to trust me. but you should anyway.
as far as me being pro-town that should pretty much speak for itself. i protect the people i have town reads on and i try to lynch the people i think are scummy.
i kinda disregarded you as spam in the first few days of the game, and didn't really look back.
after i had to reshuffle things you came out pretty scummy because you're kinda hanging on the periphery, not being a heavyweight like me and titus and ETL and such, but still making a lot of posts and a lot of noise (which is something i do as scum)
ugh this was a town response! VOTE: titus if it wasn't there.
If and when shotty flips scum, we can lynch his partner, zakk.
You are aware there's a wagon on Zakk?
I am half aware there is a wagon. But right now I just feel that's it's more of a pressure wagon that will probably disintegrate.
I however feel shotty Is the best wagon that will paint a picture better than zakk. On the off chance zakk is town then it is obviously pointing harder towards shotty but we can't afford to drop numbers over night.
Because I think your reasons for assuming one another are town look fabricated and as an excuse to more openly work together without suspicion. The fact that you are both targeting Titus, who reads you both is scum and is very good at getting her scum reads axed ties it all together.
In post 2481, Shaziro wrote:Also I love that when zakk's wagon got some legs, you switched off. Seems like you got nervous about bussing him.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LYNC HIM FOR 100 DAMN PAGES
If that was your goal, why jump of when it gets going?
because I've been trying to lynch you for 100 pages too! You should have been hung yesterday and zakk today, but no. No one listens to shotty and now 4 town are dead,
Aneninen wrote:
1. It was lazy. You just jumped on the wagon you thought it had been moving. Also, you finished reading but didn't draw conclusions. Yeah, sounds legit.
2. Beetlejuice IS a tell. I repeat: I may have been wrong about it, but the fact that you mentioned later that you'd been ninja-ed, THAT made me think that you'd got nervous.
3. Sorry, misspelled. 1362, not 1263.
4. Persivul was town, therefore he could Chainsaw no one. Got it?
5. So, you translated my drunkpost only for fun? (According to your answer to Copper which took place later.) Huh.
6. I may have phrased it poorly, but I said this: if you flip scum, we may have an all-town Neighbourhood, because you hinted that "why not Masons" thing.
7. Huh? Are you saying that you were anti-town but not scummy?
+1 Since I was missing for a long time Yesterday, yeah, there could be points having pointed out by others. Do you really think it makes my case invalid?
In post 2415, Ircher wrote:What's no counter got to do with anything? Besides, there were counters throughout the day. In particular, Kill and Brawl, both of whom were town. Finally, the wagon flipped town so this post seems ex post facto rather than genuine.
By the time the Persivul-wagon gained momentum there had been no counters
matching
his wagon.
I understand your point of view, though, I would find a post like that scummy too if it had come from a player who had produced
nothing else
.
In post 2419, drmyshottyizsik wrote:*checks in*
so zakk and titus and copper all still breathing?
ok.
*checks out*
What do you think of Nosferatu?
In post 2420, Lowell wrote:@shaz, you got pretty excited for a minute there when you thought someone had claimed something. Anything else you're interested in?
Hmmmmmmmmmm...
1. I jumped on a wagon I thought scumslipped. And in the third fornight, I didn't finish reading up with a catchup post with conclusions either. Go figure.
2. I don't see how my reaction is indicative of nervousness at all.
3. I don't see how I was gauging the momentum for your wagon there. I said I was fine with it.
4. If only there were words for how terrible that argument is. Abhorrent. Schlecht. Mal. плохой. It basically scumpaints every argument as to why a person is scum with another person.
5. yup.
6. no, not at all. I'm not in a neighborhood. I know nothing about any neighborhoods other than the ones outed. How does me flipping scum have anything to do with having an all-town neighborhood?
7. Anti-town and scummy are two different kinds of behaviour. Once again see game shop mafia. Over 50 pages of pure anti-town banter right smack in the middle that lasted for about 3 days. Neither of the exponents flipped scum.
1. Need I be amused that you "didn't finish reading up with a catchup post with conclusions either"?
2. I still think you got nervous after I called your post a Beetlejuice. In other words, that could have been a "getting scumread for the wrong reason" tell. (And I strongly think nowadays it IS a very strong tell.)
3. Fine with it without a vote. It IS scummy to shadow a wagon without putting a vote there. Actually you did something similar, as for the Persivul wagon. 2274! You weren't there because you... didn't need to?! Why am I reading this like "luckily, the lynch on a townie happened without me being on the wagon"?
4. Okay, maybe it's not a tell
in itself
. Maybe I think it so because of the other things against you. Got it?
5. Okay. You spent a lot of time with a post which was terrible. I may believe that you thought a drunkpost would be "honest". And you drew no conclusion. But you translated it for fun. This doesn't add up.
6. I'm quoting it from your 1896:
"if the mod wanted a group of all town with a PT, he'd make them masons."
– THAT IS WHY I think you know more about the alignments in that Neighbourhood than I do.
7. Yes, Anti-town =/= scummy. But, scums DO act more likely anti-town, because their WinCon doesn't match town's. (And even if I don't remember the exact games I know that I've seen this reasoning from scums before!)
In post 2451, Shaziro wrote:I reserve the right to go back to Nos at any time if that wagon gains more serious legs.
In post 2450, Shaziro wrote:Couldn't decide if it was a bus, scum trying to find a potential other scum team, or scum on town. Fair enough, but I'm gonna leave a heavy
Check above.
I see both your and his points. You're right: if that had been the ONLY thing, I wouldn't call it essentially scummy. But I'm scumreading Nosferatu because of other things too, that point strengthens my read.
In post 2430, Titus wrote:@Anen, Pressure =/= lynch you. I personally refused to vote you for a reason, I think you're town.
I don't get it. Why would you like to see more pressure on me if you think I'm town?
In post 2433, Titus wrote:If it is, don't out reaction tests. That generally ruins them.
In post 2448, Shaziro wrote:My problem with the Zakk vote is that I don't like that Shotty is on it, as I'm not really liking Shotty for town this game.
They're bussing each other. Scum do that. 100% town wagons on scum rarely happen. Find scum, lynch them. Worry if multiple scumreads get on or a vote is really bad and cannot be a bus.
If it were that easy.
In post 2451, Shaziro wrote:I reserve the right to go back to Nos at any time if that wagon gains more serious legs.
There's always a place for you there. And for others, too.
In post 2452, Kop wrote:VOTE: shotty
If and when shotty flips scum, we can lynch his partner, zakk.
Whut?
With Zakk being wagoned this made zero sense. Unless Kop is scum with Zakk?
In post 2456, zakk wrote:
yeah.
you, titus, and lowell all need to go
Those are terrible ideas.
In post 2457, zakk wrote:being wagoned is great tbh. gives me more of an incentive to pay attention to a game plus it makes it personal
Uhhhhhhhhhh this and the other one quoted above.
What if Zakk's bad-town?
In post 2473, Nahdia wrote:there's a lot of posts in this thread i don't care abotu because they don't involve votes for anen or copper
Not only have you never posted a real case against either me or Copper but you also have been ignoring EVERYTHING ELSE happening in the thread.
Why are players townreading her?
@Anen, Because I a) want to see who jumps and b) I am not going to hard defend you to the point of denying information when you're fully capable of actually doing well.
Nahdia is deliberately being impossible at the moment.
There's 4-6 not town. Talk about reads. Tell me why those two. Anen feels just like Open 627 where I scumpainted him good. Right now between the two of you,I would take him because I an talk to him.
If and when shotty flips scum, we can lynch his partner, zakk.
This is really dumb. Titus explained why. This is zakk-diversion masked as "oh I totally agree with you on zakk"
@shaz, eh I've seen shotty so much worse. Other than the lingering thought that maybe we're being played with the whole shotty/irch double-tunneling thing, I don't really see too much scum here lately.
Yeah, good point. Just noticed how weirdly it phrased,
In post 2481, Shaziro wrote:Also I love that when zakk's wagon got some legs, you switched off. Seems like you got nervous about bussing him.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LYNC HIM FOR 100 DAMN PAGES
If that was your goal, why jump of when it gets going?
because I've been trying to lynch you for 100 pages too! You should have been hung yesterday and zakk today, but no. No one listens to shotty and now 4 town are dead,
But, why can'r you lynch Zakk first considering the wagon has traction? I am strongky considering a Shotty wagon instead right now.
In post 2495, Ircher wrote:I am strongky considering a Shotty wagon instead right now.
I think zakk might be best first. If they -are- a team, it's possible that the one which makes a bigger show of defending the other is vanilla or a less useful PR, and wants to take the rope first. Then again, that could just be WIFOM logic.
In post 2452, Kop wrote:VOTE: shotty
@shaz, eh I've seen shotty so much worse. Other than the lingering thought that maybe we're being played with the whole shotty/irch double-tunneling thing, I don't really see too much scum here lately.
You either mean he's been much more obvious as scum, or he's lurked and made noise worse. In either case, I don't think that just because he's been worse, he can't be scum now. Honestly, I would expect people's scum games to get better over time, wouldn't you?
I...guess? Is this an argument against meta-gaming entirely? I'm on board if it is, but I'm curious. I'm sure as shit not going to go back and ISO you, but if ever you referenced another game as a reason so-and-so means so-and-so, I call you a hypocrite, sir.
In post 2452, Kop wrote:VOTE: shotty
@shaz, eh I've seen shotty so much worse. Other than the lingering thought that maybe we're being played with the whole shotty/irch double-tunneling thing, I don't really see too much scum here lately.
You either mean he's been much more obvious as scum, or he's lurked and made noise worse. In either case, I don't think that just because he's been worse, he can't be scum now. Honestly, I would expect people's scum games to get better over time, wouldn't you?
I...guess? Is this an argument against meta-gaming entirely? I'm on board if it is, but I'm curious. I'm sure as shit not going to go back and ISO you, but if ever you referenced another game as a reason so-and-so means so-and-so, I call you a hypocrite, sir.
No, I've definitely used meta, but I tend to prefer to look for either things that I can see as a trend that hasn't changed, which tends to be a specific aspect of a person's personality, or things that are very recent so it isn't likely they've changed. Your "I've seen shotty so much worse" comes off as more of a "I played a game a while back" kind of thing, and what I was saying is that it's entirely possible that over the time between that game and now, he has gotten better at hiding his scum game. You didn't give a link, so I was left to give that weird sort of "you mean something like this, right? Either way, stuff changes" response.
Hey I made a vote count by ripping the last one and updating it enjoy!
plus it makes it personal
