Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Florestan]

Why are people calling Ranger's stuff towny. Because while some of the reads are accurate its not where it matters.

[PantherPunt]

Why are people calling Ranger's stuff towny. Because while some of the reads are accurate its not where it matters.

go on

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn I've never actually seen your scum game yet so I'm not sure how well you can mimic your town game. Got any links to share with me?

Nope. I was town in the newbie game, town in that off-site game you got me into, town in another off-site game hosted by plotinus, and then I've died two other times as town in ongoing games

Just call me townstral

Why are people calling Ranger's stuff towny. Because while some of the reads are accurate its not where it matters.

I agree and even said I thought the stuff on you was off, but it gave me a new perspective on karnos kind of

It looked towny to me, even if I disagreed with some of it. I know for sure I'll disagree with basically all of her scum reads too

[KuroiXHF]

*Up to Post 183*

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I already don't like this. Reading too much into RVS stuff, or at least, in seems that way.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

I like this even less.

I don't see the mod confirmation. Claiming a role when no reason to claim it, and claiming a role that can be mod confirmed without the mod confirm? That seems scummy as hell to me.
UNVOTE: Ranger

How so? You think mafia claims as innocent child at game start? Why is it scummy?

This ploben mini-wagon is dumb but here's a good one:

VOTE: karnos

RVS is over boys everyone vote karnos

I think proben claimed while not realizing that Innocent Child is confirmed by Mod. Mod has since checked in with a vote count and hasn't confirmed an Innocent Child in the game, much less proben being it. Conclusion: there probably isn't an Innocent Child, so proben has been caught out fakeclaiming. I see two possibilities:

1. He is scum. But this would be a dumb play because Town would surely notice the lack of Mod confirmation;
2. He is Town trying to attract the NK, but this would be a dumb play because scum would surely notice the lack of Mod confirmation.

Oh well, if RVS is over:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: proben

Forget my first two points. There needs to be a wagon on ChipBuddy. It's the most obvious joke claim.

Chip Butty you forgot about option 3 where he's obviously joking about it

I mean I'm not saying he's town I'm saying the reason for voting him is a real stretch

Also I'm scummy for my vote but you agree karnos is scummy or what

Yes, that. I'm curious though, because I'm at Post 183 and you've been on Karnos all game. He hasn't been scummy this whole game, has he?

VOTE: Chip Butty

If this is a bus, this is the best bus ever. However, I'm finding it a whole lot more likely that you're town.

What do you like about my push on you?

You're town too most likely.

Too bad. That would have bolstered your claim that you knew how Innocent Child works, including the crucial Modconf bit.

So I would have to have played in a game with an IC to understand what an IC is and how it is revealed?

Please don't misrep me. I didn't say that. I said that if you HAD played in such a game, it would have been evidence that you understood the Innocent Child role. But that evidence is lacking.

Misrep you?

Try again.

Dunnstral I think you need to rethink your town read on Chip.

Yes, you misrepped me. I said the bit in green, and you twisted it into the bit in red.

No, there was a question asked. Not that this is alignment indicative, but people are beginning to piss me off whenever they read someone else's analysis on them that they don't like.

I asked a question. I never made a statement misrepping something you said.

You got this, girlfrand.

Either you are town reading him as town, in which case you could be wrong, or you and him are both scum and you are lying

Don't buddy me so hard Dunnstral, they're on to us

You referenced Dunnstral but quoted Karnos. My theory is that if Ploben is scum, Karnos is his partner.

The bolded statement seems to actually contradict your actions so far this game.

There is no contradiction. I am not scum, so I don't need to change my posting style to hide anything.

Fluffiest attempt at logic.

I didn't like Alpaca's entry.
He tried to passively dismiss the case on you, it looks like he reads you as town but did not state it explicitly to avoid suspicion(I think).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alpaca

The fact that Alpaca is gone and I'm here seems to prove otherwise.

I have to say that calling for a quicklynch also pings me quite hard. What's the rush? Day lasts two weeks. We should use as much time as we can to maximize our chances of hitting scum D1.

Just letting you know that this line is way worse than anything I've said regarding a quicklynch

Please do explain the town incentive to quick lynch. Time is a resource. Even if you are 99.99% sure of your reads on the guy sitting in L-1, you should still hold off hammering as long as possible to potentially collect more information.

Scum line by the way

Seriously I wasn't quite serious and you come in and try to look like town by telling town to wait and "collect more information"

At the same time, you're not trying to collect more information, you're ignoring everyone but ploben unless you're attacked

Ehhhh, I agree. Not necessarily a scum line - meaning that I can see both scum and town saying something like that.

[PantherPunt]

ughhh a liveblog post

this is scummy

wait this is worse

forget my fist two posts this is uber scummy!

backspace exists...timewarping like that feels so fake. like you're purposefully demonstrating that you have a "thought progression"

I'm going to need to see other times you've replaced into games to see if you have this horrible of tone

[KuroiXHF]

OK so everyone that disagrees with your one read is mafia and everyone who agrees with it is town?

No, you are misrepping me. I have never said that.

I have to say that calling for a quicklynch also pings me quite hard. What's the rush? Day lasts two weeks. We should use as much time as we can to maximize our chances of hitting scum D1.

Just letting you know that this line is way worse than anything I've said regarding a quicklynch

How so? It's something I say in just about every game I play. It is hard for scum to keep up their charade over two weeks, under constant scrutiny. Please explain your thinking(?) here.

Correction: I'm up to Post 283.

[PantherPunt]

[quote="In post 603
You referenced Dunnstral but quoted Karnos. My theory is that if Ploben is scum, Karnos is his partner.[/quote]
this can't be real

[PantherPunt]

EBWOP

You referenced Dunnstral but quoted Karnos.

My theory is that if Ploben is scum, Karnos is his partner.

this can't be real

[PantherPunt]

Seriously I'm amazed at that whole post and just how scummy it is

[Dunnstral]

I actually agree that right away something feels off about kuroi

Might be because it feels like he's going through too fast

He also had a subtle jab at Shadow for something he said to alpaca, and that feels like it's more likely to come from scum to me (town wouldn't attack other players like that for slight reads on their predecessor, especially when alpaca had 7 posts total)

[PantherPunt]

I actually agree that right away something feels off about kuroi

Might be because it feels like he's going through too fast

He also had a subtle jab at Shadow for something he said to alpaca, and that feels like it's more likely to come from scum to me (town wouldn't attack other players like that for slight reads on their predecessor, especially when alpaca had 7 posts total)

that line to shadow didn't even make sense to me. I read it like 10 times and still don't understand

I'm still just sitting here with my mouth open at that post

[ploben]

Paranoid thought:
At least 1, maybe 2 (goon and traitor) are defending me because of perfect info and future town cred.

[Dunnstral]

interestingly ploben and Dunn both moved onto Alpaca/Kuroi

In fact, panther's post just reminded me - plobin and Dunstrall have slipped off the karnos wagon already.

[Dunnstral]

Paranoid thought:
At least 1, maybe 2 (goon and traitor) are defending me because of perfect info and future town cred.

Gonna need a list and who you think mafia could be in it

Though it could also be a 2 lurker maf team and a third guy who've given no opinions on you (which always feels unlikely to me but I did see it once)

[PantherPunt]

Dunn didn't you play mafia somewhere else before MS?

[Dunnstral]

Also it's important to think about when they would start defending you and if they've slipped off

I don't actually know who all is defending you, I know I have been (har har)

And apparently duppin has been too (source: chip)

Dunn didn't you play mafia somewhere else before MS?

Yeah but epicmafia not forum mafia except for with some friends a super casual version

[Chip Butty]

Paranoid thought:
At least 1, maybe 2 (goon and traitor) are defending me because of perfect info and future town cred.

I've been entertaining that thought, actually.

And, yes, Kuroi is looking scummy right off the bat.

[Dunnstral]

I've been entertaining that thought, actually.

LOL...

Except in your version ploben is mafia and I was hoping for an angle where ploben is town

[Chip Butty]

I doubt that BOTH ploben and Ranger are scum.

Ranger/duppin/??? is a possibility. Ranger gave duppin an uncharacteristically easy pass in her reads, and has him ranked too high imo. I once said in another game that scum!Ranger will give 90% accurate reads to establish Town cred, maybe even 100% to start with, and slip in her buddy to high, or an easy mislynch too low. Lurking in the early part of the game helps in this respect, since she can judge which way the wind is blowing before maing her entrance.

[Chip Butty]

I've been entertaining that thought, actually.

LOL...

Except in your version ploben is mafia and I was hoping for an angle where ploben is town

No, I mean I've been thinking about the possibility of Town!ploben and scum!duppen since my ISO of duppen. Haven't posted anything about it before now.

[Dunnstral]

backspace exists...timewarping like that feels so fake. like you're purposefully demonstrating that you have a "thought progression"

To be fair I like actual time warping and even did it myself in that off-site game hosted by plot I was talking about (where I replaced in)

I mean turns out someone scumread me from it too but it worked out in the end

[Dunnstral]

I've been entertaining that thought, actually.

LOL...

Except in your version ploben is mafia and I was hoping for an angle where ploben is town

No, I mean I've been thinking about the possibility of Town!ploben and scum!duppen since my ISO of duppen. Haven't posted anything about it before now.

Alright thought you were being cheeky

[ploben]

Paranoid thought:
At least 1, maybe 2 (goon and traitor) are defending me because of perfect info and future town cred.

Gonna need a list and who you think mafia could be in it

Though it could also be a 2 lurker maf team and a third guy who've given no opinions on you (which always feels unlikely to me but I did see it once)

Yeah I'm not sure who. Either way I think the lurking is more scummy at this point in the game and reevaluate in D2 after a flip.

[KuroiXHF]

My reads. I'd rather not post this, but I have to admit it looks like I might get lynched, best to get the information out so that town can gain something from my death.

town
----
karnos - the only player I know for sure is myself.
Ranger - if ranger is scum we are doomed.
Shadow_step - seems to be using the sort of logic a town should use to catch scum.
Scott Brosius - i think he is misguided town, from my experiences a lot of town players who haven't played through a game with me think my posting style is scummy
AlpacaAlpaca - i think just a newbie town putting way too much credence in wiki info
Chip Butty - probably town, but it has crossed my mind that a scum might want to defend me to build some town cred when i flip. 80% likely town
Bulletproof Ben - can't read, no posts. statistically more likely to be town than scum.
Florestan - probably town that is just coming to some wrong conclusions, but could be scum
duppin - weird RVS vote planting and refusal to move, lack of recent posts. seems scummy to me.
ploben - either scum or very stubborn town who refuses to admit an error. uses a lot of non-logic and contradicts himself a lot, but I am starting to wonder if he is just dumb town
Dunnstral - one of two types. either very arrogant town that thinks he has everything figured out when he obviously doesn't, or scum trying to control the game in a very aggressive manner. if scum, I could easily see him turn on ploben on day 2 after i flip town. If town, he will probably convince himself he was right about ploben and go for chip, sinking the game for town if chip flips town. dangerous player for town either way.
BTD6_Maker - based on my experience playing with town.BTD and scum.BTD, this is clearly scum.BTD
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scum

I'm sorry, but I can't find you to be scum at all. I've seen your scum game and you're playing much too well for that.

I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

And you're town too, probably the towniest here.

That last post by ploben "Dafuq?" looks super scummy, as if he is dismayed that his target has slipped away from the gallows just when it looked like he might be lynched.

No, not even close. Nice misrep. Try again.

And you're not using that right.

I did, but now I want to vote ranger

VOTE: Ranger

Why?

We should never have a lynch this early in the game.

This was 400 posts in. How is this so early?

Shadow what do you think of... well, the game?

Have you read up or have you skimmed or something? What are your thoughts right now

Honestly, I hate reading meaningless wall posts explaining RVS.
My reads

Scum - Alpaca
Scum lean - Scott, Florestan
Null scum - Karnos
Null town - ploben, duppin, panther

Everyone else is null for me

I have no idea how you can scum read someone who's made a post or two and that's it.

I thinking lurking scum is very dangerous in this particular game. This yields to little to no associations and makes it very tough for town to evaluate.

VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

And actually posting that person, especially for a poor reason, is VERY poor.

Oh hey it's kuroi

O hai

UNVOTE: Karnos

Man you really need to back off on that tinfoil theory though you're omgus tunnel isn't going to help, especially since you were a scumlord all game long

Not voting Ploben, pretty sure he's town

Here's what I'm thinking now:

VOTE: KuroiXHF

And I'm at a loss.

I actually agree that right away something feels off about kuroi

Might be because it feels like he's going through too fast

He also had a subtle jab at Shadow for something he said to alpaca, and that feels like it's more likely to come from scum to me (town wouldn't attack other players like that for slight reads on their predecessor, especially when alpaca had 7 posts total)

I'm actually going to admit the plausability that I'm going through too quickly. I tend to get better reads in real time actually dealing with people any way. As far as Shadow, he was the harshest on Alpaca and Alpaca is the only one I know for a fact as town. Obviously so, I replaced him.

Paranoid thought:
At least 1, maybe 2 (goon and traitor) are defending me because of perfect info and future town cred.

I've been entertaining that thought, actually.

And, yes, Kuroi is looking scummy right off the bat.

Because I'm harshest on you, I know.

[Dunnstral]

My reads. I'd rather not post this, but I have to admit it looks like I might get lynched, best to get the information out so that town can gain something from my death.

town
----
karnos - the only player I know for sure is myself.
Ranger - if ranger is scum we are doomed.
Shadow_step - seems to be using the sort of logic a town should use to catch scum.
Scott Brosius - i think he is misguided town, from my experiences a lot of town players who haven't played through a game with me think my posting style is scummy
AlpacaAlpaca - i think just a newbie town putting way too much credence in wiki info
Chip Butty - probably town, but it has crossed my mind that a scum might want to defend me to build some town cred when i flip. 80% likely town
Bulletproof Ben - can't read, no posts. statistically more likely to be town than scum.
Florestan - probably town that is just coming to some wrong conclusions, but could be scum
duppin - weird RVS vote planting and refusal to move, lack of recent posts. seems scummy to me.
ploben - either scum or very stubborn town who refuses to admit an error. uses a lot of non-logic and contradicts himself a lot, but I am starting to wonder if he is just dumb town
Dunnstral - one of two types. either very arrogant town that thinks he has everything figured out when he obviously doesn't, or scum trying to control the game in a very aggressive manner. if scum, I could easily see him turn on ploben on day 2 after i flip town. If town, he will probably convince himself he was right about ploben and go for chip, sinking the game for town if chip flips town. dangerous player for town either way.
BTD6_Maker - based on my experience playing with town.BTD and scum.BTD, this is clearly scum.BTD
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scum

I'm sorry, but I can't find you to be scum at all. I've seen your scum game and you're playing much too well for that.

Taking this as a scum claim

No seriously are you serious