Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[KuroiXHF]

Will catchup properly tomorrow.
Nothing Kuroi has said makes me want to move my vote off of him tbh.

Him sort of asking me to not scum read the slot because he replaced Alpaca and will post more was weird AF.

No. I said that Alpaca isn't scum because of his lurking/eventual inactivity that ejected him from the game.

[PantherPunt]

He requested replacement fwiw

[ploben]

I get the need to move past the specific IC joke events but my point is you can't just say something, get called out on it's validity, and then just throw your hands up and say you don't want to talk about it. Karnos just did this. And the fact it's still his case on me is ridiculous.

If you want to talk about it, respond to the dozens and dozens of posts I made on it already. #425 & #439 for a start.

Talk about OMGUS.

[PantherPunt]

Ploben y u ignore me bruh

[ploben]

I've got 3 "Post a reply" windows open. I have this nagging need to respond to Karnos 1st. He's like popcorn stuck in my teeth, I have to continue to pick at.

[ploben]

Why does Ranger make sense if Chip and Karnos are town? It's just not instantly occurring to me.

I think I'm an easy mislynch today so scum could vote me with that stupid IC thing as justification. If the first two voters on my wagon are town then Ranger coming in as 3rd is a good spot for scum to park their vote on a townie.

You have 3 votes, 7 are required to lynch. If ranger is scum, then you need the other two scum plus 2 townies to vote you in addition to the votes you already have. I think your fear of being quick lynched is unfounded. Town should understand that hammering without delay shows as incredibly scummy, and scum wouldn't trade a scum life for one lynch.

I don't follow your "You have 3 votes, 7 are required to lynch. If ranger is scum, then you need the other two scum plus 2 townies to vote you in addition to the votes you already have."

I never said anything about a quick lynch. I said easy mislynch.

You said easy mislynch

today

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Today implying a quick lynch, can't really get lynched today slowly.

Today, as in D1 of the game.

[Chip Butty]

Karnos and chip

Can I know where each of you stand on ranger, kuroi, and btd

(Chip I think you told Dunn you'd get to this so pardon me if I somehow missed it..just link me)

669 for Kuroi and Ranger. Haven't done BTD yet. Actually Dunn asked for some other reads too, but I've been a bit slow on that, even though I feel like I've posted a lot.

[ploben]

Where I'm at at this point:
OK with lynching D1 = Chip, Ranger, Kuroi

did you read my spoilered post on Chip?

I like the other two scum reads, obviously

also, you're voting chip with kuroi

I'd love Ranger and kuroi wagons so you going back to kuroi would be cool

I didn't read the spoiler post yet. I will right now.

What do you think about Kuroi on Chip? Not a possible bus?

[PantherPunt]

Karnos and chip

Can I know where each of you stand on ranger, kuroi, and btd

(Chip I think you told Dunn you'd get to this so pardon me if I somehow missed it..just link me)

669 for Kuroi and Ranger. Haven't done BTD yet. Actually Dunn asked for some other reads too, but I've been a bit slow on that, even though I feel like I've posted a lot.

Was wondering if anything after 669 affected those reads

[Chip Butty]

Also, I'm pretty happy with Ranger's reads ATM. Her reads are the ones that coincide most closely with my own.

Ninja'd Panther:

Well, Kuroi looks even scummier to me now, partly because of blowing up then clamming up when you pressed him.

Ranger: I'm not taking the "tinfoil hat" stuff as a serious possibility at this point. I do need to go back and read Ranger V Dunstrall from earlier. I have to say, my first impression was she didn't seem her usual self there.

[PantherPunt]

What do you think about Kuroi on Chip? Not a possible bus?

no, as I'm reading chip town. you can hold onto that scum read, and I think it's rather healthy to avoid getting a consensus townread on anyone

[Chip Butty]

I think I could prob accommodate a Kuroi lynch, but lemme think about it more. Not interested in a Ranger lynch today.

[PantherPunt]

{Shadow_step, Chip Butty, Florestan, karnos}
{duppin, BTD6}
{Alpaca, Scott Brosius}
{Dunnstral}
{PantherPunt}
{ploben}
There ya go.

bit stale, but are these the reads that coincide with yours Chip?

[ploben]

@Panther

Spoiler: The only quote from your spoiler that I agree looks townie from Chip

@Chip, this is how I understand it: He was "rescinding" his IC claim because you thought he was being serious. Him asking you if it would mean your vote on him would be on him throughout the whole day is basically him saying he won't ever be modconfirmed.

Fine, we read that sequence of posts differently. Your interpretation might even be correct but, on balance of probability as I see it, I'm sticking with mine for the time being.

Also, ploben's recent posts look like flailing and OMGUS, and aren't doing anything to lessen my suspicion of him.

"We read that sequence of posts differently" is a townie pacifistic way to agree to disagree that you don't often see scum do. He is not yielding his point, but he is yielding that he understands how someone else could interpret it differently. (though he still thinks duppin might be scum with ploben, I think)

The rest look null to me.

[Dunnstral]

Chip if Ranger is scum what do you think it means that she's pushing on Ploben right now? Do you think Ploben would be more or less likely to be scum

I say less likely.

TBH, your side of your recent interaction with Ranger also looked a bit off. Let me get back to you when I have had a decent look at your ISO, and gone over recent Ranger<->Dunstrall.

Noted: more ploben defense. That's been a persistent theme with you, as with duppen.

No offense but your reads suck,

Why are you even soliciting my opinions, anyway?

How was MY side of the interaction weird? I'm trying to get you to vote for Ranger and get a wagon started.

Just from catching up from last night to this morning, I'm getting sick and tired of all the "Chip Town Slips". They are starting to look like they're not genuine. And I'd have to question the players that keep bringing them up.

Off the top of my head I think that would be:
Ranger
Dunnstral
Panther
Karnos

If anyone can help me out with that one that would be great.

Not sure what you want from me here, I mentioned it to Kuroi because I wanted to see how they would respond :/

My reads have changed a bit. Doing that time-warping thing: as I read through, I was thinking I would change my vote of ploben. Then I saw his last two posts above and he convinced me to keep it right where it is. Obviously I am scum because I am sharing my thought process, right Dunnstral?

Panther is the one who said that...

Please note: I'm hard aligning with PantherPunt today

So can you take your vote off Chip who we're not lynching today and onto Ranger (Or even Kuroi if you'd prefer!)

[Dunnstral]

Panther that is one read that I want to keep close to my chest for a little bit, its too easy to fix.

What does this mean

Here I'll make a Ranger list

{Panther, Dunn}
{Duppin}
{Ploben}
{Karnos, Chip}
{null}
{Shadow, Kuroi, Scott}
{BTD}
{ranger}

I'd admit I'm liking this list

So to summarize:

Because you're pushing me and demand something now after I repeatedly told you no, you're not getting anything today.

You're getting lynched.

I want to save you for tomorrow though because I want the juicy filet that is your pal Ranger first

I have to say that, when I read this, scum v scum jumped out at me.

@[ploben, Dunstrall, duppen, Panther, Kuroi, Scott]: At least three of you are Town, so please - pretty please with sugar on top - please start posting like it, 'kay?

@Florestan: You need to pick up your game too, if you are Town. Your reads are upside down.

You're the one who's reads are upside down man, scott and kuroi I can agree with

[Dunnstral]

Also kuroi looks really bad now from what I read

[Chip Butty]

What do you think about Kuroi on Chip? Not a possible bus?

no, as I'm reading chip town. you can hold onto that scum read, and I think it's rather healthy to avoid getting a consensus townread on anyone

Yeah, but check this. ploben flips on me between these two posts. He says it is on account of Townslips, but that's weak. Those have been around for ages. What really changed his mind is that I revoked the cookie I hgave him for helping on the tinfoil hat theory. When I praised him for that, we got #568; when I later said his willingness to accept the tinfoil hat theory looked scummy after all, he flipped and voted me.

that being said, if Ranger flips traitor, I'm going to flip a table, bc post 3 is bullshit in that world. ok now I'm done on the subject

Yeah, it's far fetched.

But kudos to Chip, I'm thinking he's town now

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I think Chip just keeps pandering to everyone with these "slips" because he is being town read for them. I am reconsidering my 568, they are not looking townie or genuine. I think it's a continuation to muddy the waters. Either way, Chip's got some good interactions and associations we can look at in D2 after his flip.

VOTE: Chip Butty

[Dunnstral]

Chip can you go on about that "Ranger <---> Dunnstral" after all and tell me why you're not voting Ranger from that? Or even suspecting her

[Dunnstral]

Panther you're voting Ranger with me and Florestan right now but seem to be saying you want to go for Kuroi today

[PantherPunt]

Panther you're voting Ranger with me and Florestan right now but seem to be saying you want to go for Kuroi today

don't want to risk seeing the Ranger wagon dissapear
pretty convinced Kuroi is scum so I want to go after the "bigger fish" while we have all this time, so to speak

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

What do you think about Kuroi on Chip? Not a possible bus?

no, as I'm reading chip town. you can hold onto that scum read, and I think it's rather healthy to avoid getting a consensus townread on anyone

Yeah, but check this. ploben flips on me between these two posts. He says it is on account of Townslips, but that's weak. Those have been around for ages. What really changed his mind is that I revoked the cookie I hgave him for helping on the tinfoil hat theory. When I praised him for that, we got #568; when I later said his willingness to accept the tinfoil hat theory looked scummy after all, he flipped and voted me.

that being said, if Ranger flips traitor, I'm going to flip a table, bc post 3 is bullshit in that world. ok now I'm done on the subject

Yeah, it's far fetched.

But kudos to Chip, I'm thinking he's town now

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I think Chip just keeps pandering to everyone with these "slips" because he is being town read for them. I am reconsidering my 568, they are not looking townie or genuine. I think it's a continuation to muddy the waters. Either way, Chip's got some good interactions and associations we can look at in D2 after his flip.

VOTE: Chip Butty

fair enough

if you, me, and him happened to be in f3 right now, I'd vote him with you rather than vote you with him fwiw

just think you're both town aorn

[ploben]

What do you think about Kuroi on Chip? Not a possible bus?

no, as I'm reading chip town. you can hold onto that scum read, and I think it's rather healthy to avoid getting a consensus townread on anyone

Yeah, but check this. ploben flips on me between these two posts. He says it is on account of Townslips, but that's weak. Those have been around for ages. What really changed his mind is that I revoked the cookie I hgave him for helping on the tinfoil hat theory. When I praised him for that, we got #568; when I later said his willingness to accept the tinfoil hat theory looked scummy after all, he flipped and voted me.

that being said, if Ranger flips traitor, I'm going to flip a table, bc post 3 is bullshit in that world. ok now I'm done on the subject

Yeah, it's far fetched.

But kudos to Chip, I'm thinking he's town now

.

I think Chip just keeps pandering to everyone with these "slips" because he is being town read for them. I am reconsidering my 568, they are not looking townie or genuine. I think it's a continuation to muddy the waters. Either way, Chip's got some good interactions and associations we can look at in D2 after his flip.

VOTE: Chip Butty

Yeah I slept on it and decided I didn't like it anymore. My read on your alignment is confounding me. Especially when there are other players I am town reading that read you town.

[PantherPunt]

it can be hard to town read someone who is calling you scum for something you think is ridiculous. that's when you have to lean on your town reads who are 3rd party objective observers

little thing I learned - the "Soah Theorum"

basically what I just said... If you think someone is scum, but all of your townreads disagree, then it's best to focus your attention elsewhere, at least in the short term

I'd say the same thing to chip about you, however you somehow are still tied for lead wagon bc karnos and scumranger and planted firmly on your wagon (still waiting for ranger to justify it)

[Dunnstral]

Especially when there are other players I am town reading that read you town.

I'm telling you he's just the typical town that goes around and argues with everyone and is so sure of themself, I've seen it before and it's a huge town tell when people act like that

I mean they're always wrong and eyerolly, but not mafia


Also who are your scum reads? Besides Chip mostly. What are your thoughts on Ranger and Kuroi