Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[PantherPunt]

Kuroi flat out refused to answer a direct question about a post.

And how much have I refused to answer on the spot, now, hmm?

Yeah, thought so.

You're ascribing a behavior to Kuroi one way, and that same behavior to me in a different one. Or do you want me to quote all the times where you've more or less said that I've refused to elaborate on my scumreads?

ranger's wagon seems to be growing pretty darn fast. I don't think a wagon on scum would grow that fast, unless she is being bussed. I think the idea of lynching her is bad

Exactly this.

There's a major difference between you and kuroi and the approaches

Also, him now saying he wants to unvote you in response the post he quoted makes no sense to me

Karnos- there are 9 town here. You think 5 votes is too scary for you and must mean bussing? Couldn't be that they are all legit scum reads?

That's just cold feet...I get it that happens sometimes. But sometimes scum wagons just go off. Coming off a 17er we lynched scum days 1, 2, 3. No resistance. D1 we racked up a 7 man wagon very quickly...one busser and they were actually first vote (hoping to distance I think) and then they couldn't bail when the wagon took off

[PantherPunt]

Pens game bye

[KuroiXHF]

Karnos out of curiosity, have we played together before?

[Dunnstral]

My reads. I'd rather not post this, but I have to admit it looks like I might get lynched, best to get the information out so that town can gain something from my death.

town
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karnos - the only player I know for sure is myself.
Ranger - if ranger is scum we are doomed.
Shadow_step - seems to be using the sort of logic a town should use to catch scum.
Scott Brosius - i think he is misguided town, from my experiences a lot of town players who haven't played through a game with me think my posting style is scummy
AlpacaAlpaca - i think just a newbie town putting way too much credence in wiki info
Chip Butty - probably town, but it has crossed my mind that a scum might want to defend me to build some town cred when i flip. 80% likely town
Bulletproof Ben - can't read, no posts. statistically more likely to be town than scum.
Florestan - probably town that is just coming to some wrong conclusions, but could be scum
duppin - weird RVS vote planting and refusal to move, lack of recent posts. seems scummy to me.
ploben - either scum or very stubborn town who refuses to admit an error. uses a lot of non-logic and contradicts himself a lot, but I am starting to wonder if he is just dumb town
Dunnstral - one of two types. either very arrogant town that thinks he has everything figured out when he obviously doesn't, or scum trying to control the game in a very aggressive manner. if scum, I could easily see him turn on ploben on day 2 after i flip town. If town, he will probably convince himself he was right about ploben and go for chip, sinking the game for town if chip flips town. dangerous player for town either way.
BTD6_Maker - based on my experience playing with town.BTD and scum.BTD, this is clearly scum.BTD
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scum

I'm sorry, but I can't find you to be scum at all.

I've seen your scum game and you're playing much too well for that.

Karnos out of curiosity, have we played together before?

?

[Ranger]

There's a major difference between you and kuroi and the approaches

Which you're not explaining.

Quite ironic, given your view of me not explaining.

Also, him now saying he wants to unvote you in response the post he quoted makes no sense to me

And yet, instead of going after HIM, the one doing something that makes no sense, you're continuing to go after me.

[Ranger]

Also, something PantherPunt is consistently doing.
"Hmm, I wanted to rule out the possibility Florestan was bussing Ranger, but I can't."
"Kuroi looks like he's bussing Ranger."
And such.

He's looking for bussers on a scummy wagon which he acknowledges is scummy, rather than looking for SCUM on the wagon of a player who is, very clearly, town.

[PantherPunt]

There's a major difference between you and kuroi and the approaches

Which you're not explaining.

Quite ironic, given your view of me not explaining.

Also, him now saying he wants to unvote you in response the post he quoted makes no sense to me

And yet, instead of going after HIM, the one doing something that makes no sense, you're continuing to go after me.

Why aren't you going after him?

What do you think of 764 or whatever the post is I linked recently?

What about just above where he asks if he's played with karnos before?

Why aren't you burying him?

Oh right bc you're bros

[PantherPunt]

You're not about to get people to scum read me for scumreading you and kuroi so lay out this case you have on me or continue with this line and look like a flailing suckbag

[Dunnstral]

Did Kuroi just hard slip or did I misunderstand something here

[PantherPunt]

Did Kuroi just hard slip or did I misunderstand something here

Hard slip.

It almost feels like he is trying to get lynched instead of ranger like ranger has the sicker role.

I'll lynch kuroi but I'll be so so sad if ranger wiggles free tomorrow should I not be here anymore

[PantherPunt]

It's kind of too clever to call intentional if it were that. Not capable imo

If he "accidentally" made a post intended for scum chat then I'd be leery of that

This probably just a regular old scum mistake (like 764 he refuses to talk about)

[Ranger]

Why aren't you going after him?

You are avoiding someone you say is scum regardless of circumstances, to go after someone you say could be scum or town.

I am going after people I'm saying are scum regardless of circumstances, and won't go after someone who could be scum or town.

^This is no less true now than it was when I said it.

I

am not the one who is saying Kuroi MUST be scum.

I

am not the one who is saying Kuroi makes no sense.

You

are.

You

are saying Kuroi MUST be scum, that Kuroi makes no sense, and yet are going after me instead of him.

What do you think of 764 or whatever the post is I linked recently?

It means nothing to me. The vast majority of "content" in games is fluff that changes absolutely nothing in my reads. That is no different.

What about just above where he asks if he's played with karnos before?

I already know the answer he'll give (so does karnos, and BTD6 for that matter), and could give it for him at any time. I'm deliberately choosing not to, one because it's his point to defend against and two because I want to see how many people buy into the slip. For instance, do you? You don't say.

[Ranger]

Hard slip.

Okay, so you did, but that post didn't exist while I was typing the above.

Anyway, the point stands.

Kuroi will come in here and defend against the point, with an answer I already know he will give, and when he gives it you'll understand the situation instantly.

And from that, you will also know exactly why I'm choosing not to answer for him, in order to see how many others buy into the slip.

[PantherPunt]

So they bought day talk I guess? Bc ranger is going to tell kuroi what to come in and say

[Ranger]

Bc ranger is going to tell kuroi what to come in and say

Another reason why I'm not answering for him?
Because, oh, I am

so

going to enjoy reading your reaction when he

does

come in and explain.

[PantherPunt]

IT WAS A REACTION TEST GUYZZZ

(If ranger knows to expect this, then I expect to be shown an example of a game ranger and kuroi were both in where kuroi has done a similar thing, if, of course, that is what kuroi comes and says)

[Ranger]

(Spoiler alert: I won't need to explain anything.)

[PantherPunt]

Kuroi/ranger/karnos?

Like did ranger and kuroi just take the hard defend karnos route and ppl got snowed (I may have a little...)

Or is it kuroi/ranger/else like btd or scott

[Ranger]

Post more about this.

I encourage you to!

[PantherPunt]

Scott about due for a prod. He seems to be on the post every 48 schedule

Major bummer and net negative to town regardless of alignment :/

[PantherPunt]

Flor! Come weigh in

How long that ranger read staying close to the chest?

[PantherPunt]

Ranger brushing off 764 as fluff is slightly baffling

[ploben]

Hmm, this got good.

[KuroiXHF]

There's no slip.

Open 638.

I was the mod so I saw karnos' play stylr. However, to my knowledge, he has not seen mine.

Stop playing to your biases.

[Florestan]

Ranger you have never played with my town game (not counting this game obviously) and I think you would be much more suspicious of me if you knew who my main was.

Ranger make the case on Dupp and Dunn. I really don't care about any other content from your slot.

I'll give my Ranger read right now. The god comment was a little tongue in cheek but it remains that Ranger in the very least affects the way the town play unless scum can check it. However Ranger's stuff this game is really essentially boring. It doesn't move town or push anything, it just is trying to slip into the background. She has some god tier townreads which again, the reads on me, Chip, and Karnos were all really good. But she hasn't been trying to build a townbloc or anything

and thinks she caught the full scumteam

. However instead of giving those reads, she gave her town reads which don't really matter. She is siding with Karos and Chip against Dunn, Ploben and Panther while throwing a townread my way-'misguided town'. The issue is that unless this is townRanger that is really certain that she nailed scum she doing more than talking about how all of them are aligned with each other. I have yet to see any case for 2/3 scum besides 'they are aligning' which sucks. The obvTown Ranger is one than works to a wincon by either building a townbloc or catching scum individually and casing them rather than screwing around like this Ranger is doing.

Also my issue isn't that I think that Ranger has perfect reads and I also have perfect reads so they must be the opposite alignment from me, but that me and Ranger approach the game pretty similarly, at least based on the games we play. I don't understand how she could have possibly be scumreading either Panther or Dunn, and even Ploben is kinda weak. All three is insane and I frankly don't believe it.