Newbie 1714 (Game Over)

[Raskolnikov]

Tbh I wouldn't expect vandit/dvds to make a great nightkill anyways, and technically f-oh-x thinks it's a more or less decent kill.
On the surface level zyf suspected sick and sad for most of the day and if f-oh-x is town him coming and doubting zyf near the days end would play a part so I can see why not him.

I'd have killed either beeboy or myself for being experienced and pretty heavily townread, myself also because it would've made ranger look even worse too. But then again vandit has reason to avoid killing both beeboy as his push or me since I was voting him.

[Raskolnikov]

This whole thing reminds me of 1690 where I was inexplicably killed n1 and everyone spent half the day scratching their heads trying to find a reason for it (turns out there wasn't really one)

[Zyf]

Tbh I wouldn't expect vandit/dvds to make a great nightkill anyways, and technically f-oh-x thinks it's a more or less decent kill.
On the surface level zyf suspected sick and sad for most of the day and if f-oh-x is town him coming and doubting zyf near the days end would play a part so I can see why not him.

I'd have killed either beeboy or myself for being experienced and pretty heavily townread, myself also because it would've made ranger look even worse too. But then again vandit has reason to avoid killing both beeboy as his push or me since I was voting him.

Here's the thing, I started pushing on vandit pretty hard when they hammered
So if vandit's scum, did they kill ranger because ranger's reasoning was more solid?

[Raskolnikov]

He might not have wanted to kill those going after him the hardest as it would be a pretty obvious connection then, idk. Ranger sort of set it up that she'd go back and revisit him later after wagoning sad and the sad lynch wasn't guaranteed that early into the day so quickhammer + ranger kill is understandable.

[Raskolnikov]

Though I doubt I'll change my mind on this lynch I want to wait until at least monday-tuesday to end today.

I'm away sat/sun but I really want to see f-oh-x's (sat?) catchup and comment there before the day ends.

[Zyf]

Though I doubt I'll change my mind on this lynch I want to wait until at least monday-tuesday to end today.

I'm away sat/sun but I really want to see f-oh-x's (sat?) catchup and comment there before the day ends.

note: toDay makes it a lot less confusing :3
I'm interested in fox's response as well considering their position as my second possible lynchee.

Friendly reminder to all to not give vandit the chance to self hammer.

[Zyf]

1690

Lol
that seems to have turned out well for them
Hopefully the result will be similar for us

[mhsmith0]

Notes:
1) @Zyf: What's the down side to vandit self-hammering? I get that there's less time for talk, but going to 5v1 (into night phase) with no PR deaths is IMO a pretty good spot for town to be in. I'm fine waiting a bit (and at any rate I want to hear from vandit before voting), but I'm not really sure just how much we're going to get from extending this the full two weeks. One week is probably fine, but two weeks I think just drags the game state, unless there's good reason for it.

2) +1 to beeboy's 343. The less we talk about power roles, the better.

3) wrt sickofit's 317, can you expand on what you said about vandit and FOX "playing with the same style"? Vandit has been fairly antagonistic, FOX seems more analytical. What's the parallel that you're seeing here?

4) wrt Rasks's 321, fair point on Vandit being on beeboy pretty consistently. If he'd been in there pre-game, or if day chat was active, I'd say it's more plausible, but since neither is the case, it makes a lot less sense.

[Zyf]

1) I suppose you're right. It's just that if they want to talk, they can't let him self hammer

In response to what sickofit's saying, he means that they appear to be working towards the same goal. Vandit isn't really mentioning fox in his salty rants, and Fox doesn't really analyze Vandit's content in the same way they do everyone else's.

[Vandit24]

Hope you will be happy seeing my role ok guys??

[Vandit24]

[Sickofit1138]

We will

[Zyf]

Hope you will be happy seeing my role ok guys??

What's that supposed to mean?

[mhsmith0]

It apparently means he's choosing to claim a role instead of trying to defend.

[F-oh-ex]

Yep. Agreed
So what are we speculating? Scumpartner or PRs?
Or both?
Also fox at the beginning of toDay you mentioned that killing general townread>killing IC.
Since you imply ranger was not IC, who were you expecting to get attacked?

How the fuck did I imply ranger was not IC, Ranger being IC is a freaking fact. I suspected Mafia RB being in play from beeyboy's posts and if there is one, there's a Doc/JK too. This means Mafia wouldn't want to go for the most obvious kill.

And to be honest, I didn't have a good guess on who would be killed.

OMFG lmao what a fail
I meant general townread XDDDDD

Okay, now I see what you mean. I think I already answered this but let me restate this becaues I might not have written it clearly.

The fact that Ranger was killed, rather than you or Rask, agrees with what came to my mind when I read beeboy's posts - Mafia RB exists. Existence of Mafia RB guarantees existence of Doc/JK. Therefore, if Mafia RB does exist, Mafia would expect their best kill to be protected and would instead go for a less optimal option - in this case, an IC.

Take this with a grain of salt obviously - this is my hypothesis and it's quite a long shot but it's my best answer for "What do you think actually happened and why did it happen?".

Regarding Vandit claiming, it seems that he is the agreed lynch so I don't see why he wouldn't claim. It will also be better if he claims now rather than 1 day before deadline so we can discuss his claim.

[F-oh-ex]

Also.
UNVOTE: Beeboy

My FoS might have come from a huge stretch and what little pressure my vote gave, is over anyway.

[Zyf]

Ohhh I see.
I have a lot to learn...
Yeah, I definitely agree on getting vandit's claim soon

[F-oh-ex]

Judging by his tone:

inb4 he claims a Power Role that is not in the game/hits the Power Role that IS in the game, causing one of the PRs to CC or to say "I'm another PR so you must be lying".

Bonus points if he's actually a dumb Vanilla Townie doing it.

[Zyf]

Judging by his tone:

inb4 he claims a Power Role that is not in the game/hits the Power Role that IS in the game, causing one of the PRs to CC or to say "I'm another PR so you must be lying".

Bonus points if he's actually a dumb Vanilla Townie doing it.

While I understand your prediction (and to some extent, agree), I'd like to enter this situation with an earnest attitude without cynicism attached.

There's a chance that they may actually do something like claim VT or even better claim mafia.
Honestly for now we can only wait, so try not to set too strong of a preceding attitude.

[F-oh-ex]

Cynicism aside, it was a shoutot to Power Roles not to immediately jump in and CC if Vandit claims a Power Role. Mafia will often claim a PR in order to avoid getting lynched/lure out the real PR. Dumb VTs will do it to, sometimes...

[Zyf]

Cynicism aside, it was a shoutot to Power Roles not to immediately jump in and CC if Vandit claims a Power Role. Mafia will often claim a PR in order to avoid getting lynched/lure out the real PR. Dumb VTs will do it to, sometimes...

i prefer VIs XD
anyway yeah to all you pr's don't counterclaim too soon

[F-oh-ex]

Yeah, VI's much more catchy, dunno why I didn't use it,

Like your new av <3

[Zyf]

Yeah, VI's much more catchy, dunno why I didn't use it,

Like your new av <3

I blame sitechat XD

[mhsmith0]

1) @sick: do you agree with what zyf said in 358 about what you were saying about vandit-fox?

2) Wrt FOX's rb speculation, I'm not sure I really have an opinion about whether it points to anything spec wise. It's possible ranger was the mafias desired kill, whether due to ineffectual pr hunting, generic fear kill of the IC (I've played with ranger only once, and she was Mafia, but I was quite impressed and I think she has a rep as a very good town player), her specific reads, or something else entirely.

3) anyone have anything else they want to talk about pre claim?

[Zyf]

1) @sick: do you agree with what zyf said in 358 about what you were saying about vandit-fox?

2) Wrt FOX's rb speculation, I'm not sure I really have an opinion about whether it points to anything spec wise. It's possible ranger was the mafias desired kill, whether due to ineffectual pr hunting, generic fear kill of the IC (I've played with ranger only once, and she was Mafia, but I was quite impressed and I think she has a rep as a very good town player), her specific reads, or something else entirely.

3) anyone have anything else they want to talk about pre claim?

Hmm...I'd likecto discuss vandit's possible scum buddies. If we have a cop/tracker, they'll know who town is suspicious of, and if we have a doctor/jailkeeper, they'll be able to make a more informed decision on who to protect (any further and I'm just creating a WIFOM).
I'm personally looking at fox, as something in their play is...off. It's just a hunch right now, I can't pinpoint it.