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[Javajoe24]

VOTE: snarky

[Clumsy]

Wow, I'm actually surprised Kuroi flipped town. However... Why was he the scum kill? They had to believe the claim. And they had to worry about being Gladiated... Snarky would have been the target. Snarky, why did you and your buddy kill him?

[Clumsy]

Time of Gladiate: Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:02 am
Time of End of Day: Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:18 pm

Ranger's not this game posts:

Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:14 pm
-No posts-
Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:05 am

Magna's not this game posts:

Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:23 pm
-no posts-
Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:35 am

Joe's not this game posts:

Jun 07, 2016 5:33 pm
Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:44 pm
Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:15 pm
Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:12 pm
Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:37 pm
Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:22 pm
etc., etc..


So Ranger, who has a definite pattern to when she posts on this site, (nights, around 8 P.M. to early morning, every night it seems) was not on conveniently the night of the no lynch. Activity starts up an hour after the thread closes. She had to know the deadline, she doesn't seem like a type of player who misses that. And the times are very suspect.

Magna is about the same as Ranger, just much less of a pattern.

Joe was actually on and posting at the time in another thread, but not here despite the deadline. He posted a lot during the time actually.


I'm going to want explanations here. Which of you is the scum-buddy that was waiting for a no lynch?

[Ranger]

Unless a vig comes forth and claims the Kuroi kill, I'm gonna have to assume that it was scum.

In that case, I actually

wouldn't

see SnarkySnowman as scum: it'd quite literally be suicide to kill his counterclaim, and Kuroi was one vote short of being

lynched

yesterday, and would have been lynched today.

Instead,
VOTE: lilith.
This is what I want to do.

[Ranger]

She had to know the deadline, she doesn't seem like a type of player who misses that.

Actually, not so much, no. I don't notice deadlines that much. Heck! For my last modded game, my rules said a deadline of one length for days but I was accidentally setting a deadline of different lengths. Time doesn't mean that much to me.

Which of you is the scum-buddy that was waiting for a no lynch?

Small problem: Kuroi was the lynch candidate at L-1, not Snarky.
He was also the nightkill.

Ergo, scum weren't waiting for a no-lynch. They physically could not have been.

We absolutely know SnarkySnowman's power was real. We have Kuroi's flip to know his power was real. The decision to have two gladiators in the same game is weird in general, so the only question remaining is whether it's one scum and one town or two town.

And off of Kuroi's death, I'm inclined to say the latter.

[Ranger]

That being said

,

if

SnarkySnowman were a scum gladiator...guess what?

KuroiXHF (4) - SnarkySnowman, Clumsy, TellTaleHeart, lilith2013

I'd expect scum to be on the Kuroi wagon. Consisting of SnarkySnowman himself, and you plus {TellTaleHeart, lilith}. (Conclusion: lynch lilith.)

[lilith2013]

I just can't understand why Ranger is tunneling on me so hard, because she knows that she usually scumreads me as town and even admitted it! But here there's none of that, instead it doesn't seem like she's even bothered to consider anyone else.

The Kuroi kill makes no sense whatsoever from any perspective.

[Clumsy]

But because it makes no sense, doesn't that increase the chances that he'd do it? This is full of WIFOM, but I'm not sure I'm ready to let that go. Also, you didn't fully answer my question Ranger. You have a very definite schedule with the time that you do things. Almost every single day, you get on in the evening, somewhere around 8 or 9. You stay on until the small hours of the morning, posting on games here and there. You vanish an hour before the Gladiator, and you don't come back until an hour after the lynch. That's over and tired day of time, and the exact time that you should be on. It seems like you were purposely evading the thread, and the site in general, so we couldn't call you out on it. The exact times being pretty much an hour off of each other is very strange, don't you think?

To everyone else: I am now considering the definite possibility of a snarky Snowman and Ranger scum team. I'm not 100% on this yet, but it makes sense to me. What's everybody else's Thoughts with this? It just seems like they might have an ability to let them talk during the day, decided this would be for the best, and Ranger avoids the thread for the rest of the time, resulting in a no lynch, making it look better for her not to hammer the town. This way, a widely town read player (Ranger) can come in and dismiss the suspicion on Snowman as " he would never do that, it's scum suicide". But why would a different scum team do it? If it's a different scum team, that's 2 mislynches in a row they messed up. Ranger stays off a town wagon, pushes that the town wagon has scum on it, dismisses Snarky as scum. I need thoughts on this from Town.

At work or would articulate more. Be back later

[Javajoe24]

To be honest, I didn't even realize the deadline was that day. I still thought we had more time

[Clumsy]

Joe, why do you think scum killed Kuroi? He was almost mislynched. He would have been easy to push today. I probably still would have been there. Why not kill someone that was strong for town? Like Ranger. Or Magna. For the PR? But they would have to be worried about him targeting them, otherwise they could leave it to be used wrongly and possibly get 2 mislynches.

For today though, I think I'd rather hang Snarky. If I'm wrong, it'll cause the least damage to town.

VOTE: Snarky

[SnarkySnowman]

The Kuroi kill makes no sense whatsoever from any perspective.

It makes sense from the perspective of trying to confuse people :/

I really didn't expect kuroi to turn up town though. Actually wtf at the 2 town gladiators.

SO aside from the obvious "kuroi was town" bit, why do people actually think I'm scum?

[Clumsy]

Honestly, I was expecting him to be the scum out of the two of you. But that isn't the case. And I think everybody has already said that to town Gladiators isn't very likely, although it's not impossible by any means. I'm also trying to think about why he would be the night kill. The only explanation that I came up with right away was either but I have explained above, or another scum team trying to frame you snarky. But I found that weird, because I don't think another scum team would have to frame you that way, since after who is flip town, you will look really bad anyway. So I was more land or the first one. If anybody has a better explanation of what happened, I am all ears. If I'm wrong, I would like to be proven so.

Sorry if there any typos in this, I'm using voice to text, because I am driving. Hope you can figure out any typos.

[Ranger]

The Kuroi kill makes no sense whatsoever from any perspective.

Exactly.
The presence of two gladiators in on Earth makes no sense whatsoever from any perspective.
Yet we now 100% know that to be a fact. Regardless of whether SnarkySnowman is town or scum, we know he is a gladiator, and we also know Kuroi was a gladiator.
The nightkill of the gladiator who was at L-1 and was likely getting lynched today makes no sense whatsoever from any perspective.
Yet until I see a vig claim (and in this case, a vig claiming, "Yes, I'm a vig who shot Kuroi" would be pro-town because with only one kill, we're going to assume Kuroi was a scum kill until there's reason to the contrary), there's no choice but to treat it as fact, that scum killed the player who was at L-1.

Conclusion 1: disregard the claims because no matter what, we've been trapped by massive wifom.
Conclusion 2: read players off of scumhunting...ergo, lynch a scumread.
Final conclusion: lynch lilith.

Also, you didn't fully answer my question Ranger. You have a very definite schedule with the time that you do things.

Define "definite schedule".
If by definite schedule, you mean "I generally come on at these times", then yes, I do have a definite schedule.
If you mean, "I come at this specific time", no I most certainly do not.

Sometimes I'm early, sometimes I'm late. I was on when I was on, and not on when I wasn't on. When I last was in this thread, I was waiting for Kuroi to answer some questions before I cast a vote on either SnarkySnowman or Kuroi, but I was heavily leaning towards voting Kuroi, I just wanted to make sure he was claiming gladiator on THIS Earth, and therefore likely scum on THIS earth rather than confscum on Earth-1. (Because if he was claiming Gladiator on Earth-1, that would have contradicted his earlier VT claim.) By the time Kuroi had clarified that, yes, he was explicitly claiming 1x Gladiator on this earth, the thread was locked because I didn't get here until after deadline.

I come to games when I come to games.
There is no strategy involved.

[Clumsy]

Maybe not, but I don't think I'm willing to let that go just yet. The times match up way too perfectly, and your pattern of on time is very concerning.

Besides the day of the no lynch, from March 13th you haven't missed a SINGLE DAY of posting on MafiaScum, with the exceptions of April 19th (which you posted on the 20th after 1 a.m., so kind of the night of the 19th), April 9th, March 27th, and the site downtime. In three months, you've missed arguably TWO DAYS of posting. That's 98% of days you've posted in that time span. I'm sure the trend continues, but I didn't want to dig past 100 pages of posts from you (Yes, I went through 100 pages of posts to get this information. Shoot me.)

I don't think this pattern should be ignored that you happen to not show up just at the right moment to avoid all of the gladiation business. The rest of town needs to hop in here and tell me if I'm crazy or if I'm actually onto something here. But this is my biggest read/lead so far.

[lilith2013]

I just can't understand why Ranger is tunneling on me so hard, because she knows that she usually scumreads me as town and even admitted it! But here there's none of that, instead it doesn't seem like she's even bothered to consider anyone else.

See above.

I kind of want to agree with you Clumsy.. I just don't know if you can properly point to timing of activity as a legit scumtell. But I don't see Ranger being town here anyway, soooo wanna vote her with me?

VOTE: Ranger

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.1

SnarkySnowman (2) - Javajoe24, Clumsy
Ranger (1) - lilith2013
lilith2013 (1) - Ranger

Not voting (3) - MagnaOfIllusion, SnarkySnowman, TellTaleHeart

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-23 21:46:00) remain until day end

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

[Clumsy]

I was sitting here wondering where the whole game list has gone, and then I realized. There's only 7 of us. ._. 2 scum, 5 town. If mislynch today, LyLo tomorrow.

I'm also okay with a Ranger lynch as of right now, but I want to hear from Magna when he gets back, TTH when they get back.

[TellTaleHeart]

Hi everyone, your favorite chain smoker checking in. I'll be back tomorrow.

[SnarkySnowman]

I was sitting here wondering where the whole game list has gone, and then I realized. There's only 7 of us. ._. 2 scum, 5 town. If mislynch today, LyLo tomorrow.

I'm also okay with a Ranger lynch as of right now, but I want to hear from Magna when he gets back, TTH when they get back.

Given this, do you have any reason to think I'm scum other than the gladiator wifom nonsense?

[Javajoe24]

Joe, why do you think scum killed Kuroi? He was almost mislynched. He would have been easy to push today. I probably still would have been there. Why not kill someone that was strong for town? Like Ranger. Or Magna. For the PR? But they would have to be worried about him targeting them, otherwise they could leave it to be used wrongly and possibly get 2 mislynches.

For today though, I think I'd rather hang Snarky. If I'm wrong, it'll cause the least damage to town.

VOTE: Snarky

To create confusion, and also they likely didn't want to deal with a town gladiator, although I am not sure why that would be honestly, as to me a town gladiator can be more harmful than helpful to the town.

[Javajoe24]

I really don't see two town gladiators in one game, although I could see a town gladiator and a scum gladiator to balance each other out.

[SnarkySnowman]

Can we get past the gladiator wifom please

[MagnaofIllusion]

Finally made it back in the country. Have been traveling for 36 hours with little sleep. Going to bed now. Will have content tonight or Monday.

[Javajoe24]

Can we get past the gladiator wifom please

You would really like us to not take into consideration your role wouldn't you

[Clumsy]

While we're waiting for everyone here, Lillith, do you think Snarky or Ranger is the better lynch today? Why?