Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Chip Butty]

But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around your intent here Chip. Part of your game seems to be trying to make a big deal about town slips and dumb tells. I just feel as town a player wouldn't need to push that agenda, they would let other players pick up on that and decide for themselves.

The only time in the game I have drawn attentin to a Townslip by me was the one I made a little while ago, and I only did it because you had already tried to make a big deal out of my previous Townslips.

My intent is to lynch the three scum, and I'm pretty sure that is you, Panther, Dunstral. Is that cleat enough?

[Chip Butty]

Scott is due for a prod. We're coming up on 5 IRL days in this game and Scott has given literally nothing. He made a good point about an association in his last post but he's not contributed nearly enough. This makes him a danger to town in 2 ways: no good associations and we have no idea where he stands in the game and also makes an easy NK for scum leaving little to no info for town in D2.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

He's due for a Modprod anyway. If that doesn't work, your vote sure as hell won't. You're just parking your vote in a convenient place.

[Ranger]

Lol @ theory (posed by scum ranger, just remember after we have some flips) that the top 3 posters are scum trying to run a narrative

Wrong.

I wasn't the one to push it.

I was the one to comment on BTD6's theory of activity.

It was more to see what BTD6 thought than anything else.

[Ranger]

Ahg.

Hate to be made a liar, but I want a little more from a few select players (namely: {duppin, Scott Brosius, BTD6}, though more from karnos and Shadow_step certainly wouldn't hurt) before I post the final three.

I want to hear all of their thoughts on recent events. There's something in particular I'm looking for, from them. Not from anyone else, I frankly don't care about anyone else at the moment, but from those people, I want to see what they say,

before

I make my case, not after.

[ploben]

@Ranger
You really won't tell me what you do for a living?

Is it in the education sector or in a teaching capacity?

[Chip Butty]

No, again, this just isn't a tell.

I'm starting to think you wouldn't recognize a tell if it got an apple shot of its head with an arrow.

Stop just blatantly sheeping Ranger and

Tell why you think Ranger is Town

Agreeing != Sheeping. Allso, I added original material from my own experience. I'd love to say why I think ranger is Town, but these scumclowns keep incriminating themselves, so it will have to wait because I need to go eat. But in a nutshell, it's partly process of elimination - ploben, Dunstral, Panther look SAF to me, and runners-up are Kuroi and duppin. So that helps make others look Townier. Also, I saw her responses earlier when I logged in, and they seem kosher at first glance. The "case" on her seems to be all based on meta, and I'm not really buying it. Plus, her reads largely coincide with my own.

Your reads seem so off to me that I just can't see you as scum atm; scum has to be a bit subtle about incorrect reads.

[Ranger]

Teaching is a part of my job.
I will not say in what capacity, simply that it exists.

I don't see how that's relevant to the game though.

[ploben]

I suppose it has zero to do with the game. I just picked up the teacher vibe from you. You are careful with your words and your writing style sort of takes people along a journey, kind of like a teacher would do with subject matter.

If it has anything to do with your avatar my guess would be something in the field of science, which was going to be another guess of mine: some sort of researcher or scientist.

[Shadow_step]

Scott is due for a prod. We're coming up on 5 IRL days in this game and Scott has given literally nothing. He made a good point about an association in his last post but he's not contributed nearly enough. This makes him a danger to town in 2 ways: no good associations and we have no idea where he stands in the game and also makes an easy NK for scum leaving little to no info for town in D2.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

This is a bad vote dude.
If it was earlier in the day when the content was less and we had no scum reads it would have been fine.

I don't quite follow the logic here, surely scum would not want to kill someone who hasn't posted much as they are easy mislynches later on(?)

[Chip Butty]

984 is silly. Town has no fear of reconsidering the game and players. Scum should because their cases are BS so in their minds they think they need a to build a perfect case so they won't get scrutinized. I have no fear of reconsidering in this game because I am town.

Nice dodge. How about addressing the main point - you said you were okay with a Ranger lynch (twice!), then just a few posts later you said you wanted to wait until hearing what she had to say (twice!). Why the retreat? What new input change your mind?

[Chip Butty]

I suppose it has zero to do with the game. I just picked up the teacher vibe from you. You are careful with your words and your writing style sort of takes people along a journey, kind of like a teacher would do with subject matter.

If it has anything to do with your avatar my guess would be something in the field of science, which was going to be another guess of mine: some sort of researcher or scientist.

This is starting to look creepy-stalky. How about you focus on the game?

[Ranger]

The "case" on her seems to be all based on meta, and I'm not really buying it.

Actually it seems the main "case" is "lol, Ranger is self-metaing" (but refusing to point out what posts are the self-meta, when any post of mine referencing a previous game has served a purpose not relating to myself), "lol, Ranger is defending herself" (which was only true for the very early part of the game; literally all my content now is focused on offense), and "Ranger won't give her scumreads" (with a failure to say why that is something which comes from scum). With small sides of utterly-hypocritical "lol Ranger won't push Kuroi", and "lol Ranger's defending karnos". Florestan's the only one who's used any meta, though that meta doesn't make sense to me, so you're not exactly wrong about this either.

You also largely describe my attitude towards my core three:

these scumclowns keep incriminating themselves

It literally could not be a more obvious scumteam. Kuroi and duppin both look bad, but the core three just look THAT much worse.

[ploben]

Scott is due for a prod. We're coming up on 5 IRL days in this game and Scott has given literally nothing. He made a good point about an association in his last post but he's not contributed nearly enough. This makes him a danger to town in 2 ways: no good associations and we have no idea where he stands in the game and also makes an easy NK for scum leaving little to no info for town in D2.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

This is a bad vote dude.
If it was earlier in the day when the content was less and we had no scum reads it would have been fine.

I don't quite follow the logic here, surely scum would not want to kill someone who hasn't posted much as they are easy mislynches later on(?)

I disagree. Someone who hasn't posted much makes a great NK because of lack of interactions and associations. So that will leave town the next day with little to no info on scum's intent for the NK.

Although, there are some players who put little to no stock in NK analysis so I guess if you're of that mindset it's moot.

[ploben]

Chip I said I would be alright with a Ranger lynch today but also wanting to here her case on me. How is that a retreat? A change of mind?

[ploben]

@Panther (or really anyone who's town reading Chip)

I suppose it has zero to do with the game. I just picked up the teacher vibe from you. You are careful with your words and your writing style sort of takes people along a journey, kind of like a teacher would do with subject matter.

If it has anything to do with your avatar my guess would be something in the field of science, which was going to be another guess of mine: some sort of researcher or scientist.

This is starting to look creepy-stalky. How about you focus on the game?

It's this sort of stuff that Chip says that makes me not town read him.

[Chip Butty]

Chip I said I would be alright with a Ranger lynch today but also wanting to here her case on me. How is that a retreat? A change of mind?

Nice squirm, but if you were really waiting to hear her case on you , why were you ALREADY okay with a Ranger lynch? That just says you had already made up your mind at that point.

[Chip Butty]

@Panther (or really anyone who's town reading Chip)

I suppose it has zero to do with the game. I just picked up the teacher vibe from you. You are careful with your words and your writing style sort of takes people along a journey, kind of like a teacher would do with subject matter.

If it has anything to do with your avatar my guess would be something in the field of science, which was going to be another guess of mine: some sort of researcher or scientist.

This is starting to look creepy-stalky. How about you focus on the game?

It's this sort of stuff that Chip says that makes me not town read him.

Hang on, just a short while ago you said you thought I was suffering from confbias, which is an exclusively Town condition. Now you've flipped on me YET AGAIN? This is becominhg comical.

[ploben]

See while my question about Ranger's job isn't DIRECTLY related to the game I was able to discern that she was a teacher in some capacity. How did I know that? I've never met or played with Ranger before.

I think that speaks to my ability to read into posts in this game.

But all you're concerned about is discrediting my posts and chucking mud at me at every turn.

[ploben]

Chip, you're either dangerously hard tunneling against a townie and town yourself or scum that is tunneling on a townie.

[Chip Butty]

See while my question about Ranger's job isn't DIRECTLY related to the game I was able to discern that she was a teacher in some capacity. How did I know that? I've never met or played with Ranger before.

I think that speaks to my ability to read into posts in this game.

But all you're concerned about is discrediting my posts and chucking mud at me at every turn.

Yeah. "Cold reading". Are you a fortune teller IRL? Lots of people can say that teaching is an element of their jobs. It doesn't mean a lot.

Anyway, even allowing that, how do you possibly get from "ability to read" to "Town"?

[Chip Butty]

Chip, you're either dangerously hard tunneling against a townie and town yourself or scum that is tunneling on a townie.

Executive summary: "I am Town". But saying it doesn't make it so.

[ploben]

Chip, you're either dangerously hard tunneling against a townie and town yourself or scum that is tunneling on a townie.

Chip, argue against this point I made. Because based on my role PM these are the two scenarios that I'm dealing with.

[karnos]

So both Chip's and Ranger's scum circle is ploben, Panther, Dunnstral.

Karnos's is ploben and Dunnstral.

All 3 voting on me.

Don't forget duppin.

And panther, I really didn't think he was in the same category, much closer to null initially, but he is starting to make me doubt that read. It's like he wants to fit in with the scum team for some reason. It might just be some out of game thing between him and ranger that has carried into this.

[Shadow_step]

I don't find NK analysis to be productive as its always wifom.
Scum can kill to alleviate pressure or to incriminate. We can't say either way so yeah.

[karnos]

First, stop assuming you have 100% solved the game, second townslops are either really towny or really scummy, so it is a reasonable thing to vote someone for.

Why? Sometimes your initial guess is completely correct, and by forcing yourself to second guess you end up coming up with an incorrect answer in the end. Your posts, florestan, seem to have an annoying pattern of telling someone they are wrong without telling WHY they are wrong. Why not help out a little and offer some more detailed insight?

And I think the town slip thing is getting a bit dumb.