Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[karnos]

I don't find NK analysis to be productive as its always wifom.
Scum can kill to alleviate pressure or to incriminate. We can't say either way so yeah.

Well... unless the night-kill target is one of your suspected scum, then at least you can eliminate that possibility.

[ploben]

@Karnos
I didn't forget duppin. I was thinking out loud and highlighting the overlap between the two circles.

Panther could be one of the scum pocketing me but for now Panther is town. Note this post and ask me about it later down the road. For now, he's simply town.

[karnos]

ploben, how to you read duppin and dunnstral?

[ploben]

ploben, how to you read duppin and dunnstral?

I've actually been thinking about dunnstral latley. I ISO'ed him quickly last night during the back and forth in here and during the Sharks/Pens NHL game so I didn't dissect it but I did find some interesting vote jumping early on, little suspicious. He's sheeping Panther and a paranoid me can see the world where he is pocketing me.

I haven't given duppin much thought. I will today when I get to

work

the establishment that signs my paychecks.

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.11

karnos (2) - BTD6, scott brosius
Ploben (3) - chip butty, karnos, ranger
KuroiXHF (1) - shadow
Ranger (4) - pantherpunt, florestan, dunnstral, duppin
Scott Brosius (1) - ploben

Not voting (1) - kuroi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-06-19 07:30:00) remain until day end

[ploben]

More recently, I really like this:

Half the reason I want to bring Ranger to L-1 is because she'd be forced to give her reasoning/cases.

I think this is a town motivated thought.

In general I don't subscribe to the "more active = scum" theory, I think it's lazy scum hunting. Chip argues both sides of this point in a weird way in 985 considering he's only 20 posts behind me when he quoted that count. As I write this he's still only 20 behind me so I'm really not sure what his or Ranger's point is.

I know that has little to do with dunnstral, just stream of conscience thought process.

[ploben]

EBWOP:
"stream of consciousness"

[ploben]

If one or both of Panther/Dunnstral is scum I don't see it so far in D1.

[Persivul]

Pens game bye

[ploben]

I have no loyalty to either team but I turned it on with 15:00 left in the 1st SJ up 2-0 and then saw 2-2 and was like "Here we go, Pens going to roll" Such was not the case after a fiery 1st period.

[ploben]

@Karnos
Still a hard town read on Chip this morning?

[Persivul]

Scott Brosius has been prodded.

[karnos]

@Karnos
Still a hard town read on Chip this morning?

Pretty much. If he is scum, he has a really amazing scum game from my perspective.

[Chip Butty]

Currently my top reads for scum are Karnos and Chip Butty. Both seem to be placing undue significance onto Ploben's joke claim. It is possible that they are both scum coordinating their efforts for a Ploben lynch.

VOTE: Karnos

This is L-2. I am trying to get pressure on Karnos as a vote on Chip Butty would not accomplish much at this stage.

I may or may not make a page worth of posts in a row by myself. Forgive me.

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and

you're steering town in the wrong direction

.

VOTE: BTD6

What did you mean steering town in the wrong direction?

VOTE: Bulletproof Ben

You are certainly not Bulletproof.

He absolutely could be bulletproof, although it would be for scum...either way your logic is flawed and you're steering town in the wrong direction.

VOTE: BTD6

I was looking at the Town list of roles

. I suppose I am so used to seeing Bulletproof as a Town role that I forgot it was a scum role in this game.

Anyway, he is either not Bulletproof or is scum.

does not compute
BTD6: You're not bulletproof
ploben: bulletproof is mafia tho
BTD6: I was looking at town list of roles
Panther:^wut?

I was only looking at the roles for Town and somehow ignored the roles for scum. I had only ever seen Bulletproof as Town before.

I've been looking at BTD's ISO. Not good, I'm afraid.

1. Claims to have only looked at Town sample role-PMs, to explain why he did not know there is a Mafia Bulletproof. This is UTTER BULLSHIT. Go click on the spoiler for Phase 2 Role-PMs. Not only are the Mafia sample role-PMs listed FIRST, but "Bulletproof" is right at the TOP of the list. How could anyone NOT see it?

2. Scumreads Karnos on me for allegedly taking the IC "joke" too seriously. My take on that has always been that the claim came about because ploben didn't read the Setup/role-PMs carefully (same as me) and thus didn't really know what an IC was, or the modconf implications. BUT wait: If BTD is saying HE didn't read the role-PMs thoroughly, WHY DOES HE FIND IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE ELSE DIDN'T EITHER?

The rest is just a convenient hop onto the then-popular Karnos wagon (on those flimsy grounds), and fluff about being too busy to play. Has posted just enough (20 posts) to avoid serious accusations of lurking, but has done virtually NO ANALYSIS except for that flimsy point on me and karnos.

I'm starting to wish this game had six scum lots, just so I could fit everybody in.

Def scum possibility. Very little Towny material in his ISO.

[Chip Butty]

Well, the only other game I have played with Ranger has now ended, and it turns out she was Town in that. I was slightly suspicious of her at the point the game ended. So, now I have more of a feel for a Ranger Town game, I might look at her recent ISO. Though if she is right in saying she plays every game differently, it might not help.

[Chip Butty]

You seem to share a scum read on Kuroi as a handful of us do. Would you consider voting that wagon instead of mine ,[/quote]

See while my question about Ranger's job isn't DIRECTLY related to the game I was able to discern that she was a teacher in some capacity.

How did I know that? I've never met or played with Ranger before

.

See, that is BS too. Here below is your first enquiry about Ranger's employment. No suggestion that she is involved in teaching, just a bald question. So, if Ranger had answered right away, if would not have shown anything about your ability to do good reads. Therefore, that was not its purpose.

@Ranger
May I ask what you do for a living?

You seem to share a scum read on Kuroi as a handful of us do. Would you consider voting that wagon instead of mine ,

Also, the bit in red is something that everyone doing cold reads says, in order to try to establish credibility.

[Chip Butty]

*Ignore the first line of my last post ^ I was swapping the order of the quotes, and didn't cut-and-paste very well.

[Chip Butty]

Chip, you're either dangerously hard tunneling against a townie and town yourself or scum that is tunneling on a townie.

Chip, argue against this point I made. Because based on my role PM these are the two scenarios that I'm dealing with.

You haven't made a point there. You have just said "I am Town".

Also, how on Earth can you accuse me of tunneling? I've been looking at [ploben, Dunstral, duppen, Kuroi, Panther] as possible scum, haven't ruled out Scott, and have been asking pointed questions about Ranger (remember the tinfoil hat theory?)

[karnos]

I wonder if BTD would be a good compromise lynch. At this point, he isn't might top choice for scum, but it seems to be that there are a lot of players who agree he is playing scummy.

If we lynch him and he flips town, what do we actually gain?

[Chip Butty]

He doesn't have much in the way of interactions. Would be interesting to see who resists.

[ploben]

I've been looking at BTD's ISO. Not good, I'm afraid.

1. Claims to have only looked at Town sample role-PMs, to explain why he did not know there is a Mafia Bulletproof. This is UTTER BULLSHIT. Go click on the spoiler for Phase 2 Role-PMs. Not only are the Mafia sample role-PMs listed FIRST, but "Bulletproof" is right at the TOP of the list. How could anyone NOT see it?

Really?

Notably under town modifications it says:

Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

Good to nkow.

Yet I didn't see that, chip butty obviously didn't see that, shadow_step wasn't aware of that... I think it's possible

proben

didn't notice that rule either, and thought he could just fake claim IC and pretend he is choose not to have the mod reveal his role.

Yeah, I didn't see it

, but I kind of assumed it was the case, since there was nothing in the role-PMs to indicate otherwise. Also, I didn't know about the variations.

Talking about the wiki which is linked to in the starting post and from the signups

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... k_the_Deck

Look under modifications (right at the top)


The other in-thread info was only edited in after the game started so he couldn't have used that

Oh yeah, it is in the wiki, for sure. But, see, I missed it there (didn't get around to reading the wiki pre-game, as the setup seemed to be explained in the modnotes),

so I have no trouble believing others missed it too. In fact, the whole discussion over that aspect of the setup just goes to show that several people didn't pick up on it.

So it's alright you missed stuff in the mod posts about roles and setups but BTD6 claiming he missed something about the setup is bullshit?

That's bullshit.

[Chip Butty]

I've been looking at BTD's ISO. Not good, I'm afraid.

1. Claims to have only looked at Town sample role-PMs, to explain why he did not know there is a Mafia Bulletproof. This is UTTER BULLSHIT. Go click on the spoiler for Phase 2 Role-PMs. Not only are the Mafia sample role-PMs listed FIRST, but "Bulletproof" is right at the TOP of the list. How could anyone NOT see it?

Really?

Notably under town modifications it says:

Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

LOL, I hoped you would post this. Did you click on that Phase 2 Role-PM spoiler? It's impossible not to see the Bulletproof entry, right in the top spot. BUT it IS possible to just have a cursory glance through the possible role-PMs and not notice that IC is Modconf'ed. As I said, I did that myself, which is why I find it easy to believe.

Good to nkow.

Yet I didn't see that, chip butty obviously didn't see that, shadow_step wasn't aware of that... I think it's possible

proben

didn't notice that rule either, and thought he could just fake claim IC and pretend he is choose not to have the mod reveal his role.

Yeah, I didn't see it

, but I kind of assumed it was the case, since there was nothing in the role-PMs to indicate otherwise. Also, I didn't know about the variations.

Talking about the wiki which is linked to in the starting post and from the signups

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... k_the_Deck

Look under modifications (right at the top)


The other in-thread info was only edited in after the game started so he couldn't have used that

Oh yeah, it is in the wiki, for sure. But, see, I missed it there (didn't get around to reading the wiki pre-game, as the setup seemed to be explained in the modnotes),

so I have no trouble believing others missed it too. In fact, the whole discussion over that aspect of the setup just goes to show that several people didn't pick up on it.

So it's alright you missed stuff in the mod posts about roles and setups but BTD6 claiming he missed something about the setup is bullshit?

That's bullshit.

[Chip Butty]

Fixed my last post. I need to preview more.

I've been looking at BTD's ISO. Not good, I'm afraid.

1. Claims to have only looked at Town sample role-PMs, to explain why he did not know there is a Mafia Bulletproof. This is UTTER BULLSHIT. Go click on the spoiler for Phase 2 Role-PMs. Not only are the Mafia sample role-PMs listed FIRST, but "Bulletproof" is right at the TOP of the list. How could anyone NOT see it?

Really?

Notably under town modifications it says:

Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

Good to nkow.

Yet I didn't see that, chip butty obviously didn't see that, shadow_step wasn't aware of that... I think it's possible

proben

didn't notice that rule either, and thought he could just fake claim IC and pretend he is choose not to have the mod reveal his role.

Yeah, I didn't see it

, but I kind of assumed it was the case, since there was nothing in the role-PMs to indicate otherwise. Also, I didn't know about the variations.

Talking about the wiki which is linked to in the starting post and from the signups

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... k_the_Deck

Look under modifications (right at the top)


The other in-thread info was only edited in after the game started so he couldn't have used that

Oh yeah, it is in the wiki, for sure. But, see, I missed it there (didn't get around to reading the wiki pre-game, as the setup seemed to be explained in the modnotes),

so I have no trouble believing others missed it too. In fact, the whole discussion over that aspect of the setup just goes to show that several people didn't pick up on it.

So it's alright you missed stuff in the mod posts about roles and setups but BTD6 claiming he missed something about the setup is bullshit?

That's bullshit.

LOL, I hoped you would post this. Did you click on that Phase 2 Role-PM spoiler? It's impossible not to see the Bulletproof entry, right in the top spot. BUT it IS possible to just have a cursory glance through the possible role-PMs and not notice that IC is Modconf'ed. As I said, I did that myself, which is why I find it easy to believe.

[ploben]

God I hope we have a vigi.

[Persivul]

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