Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.14

karnos (2) - BTD6, scott brosius
Ploben (3) - chip butty, karnos, ranger
KuroiXHF (1) - shadow
Ranger (5) - pantherpunt, florestan, dunnstral, duppin, ploben (L-2)

Not voting (2) - kuroi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-06-19 07:30:00) remain until day end

[PantherPunt]

I don't know who is what alignment with certainty and therefore can't naturally attach motive to statements and questions that I read. Therefore, I ask questions to try to help me solve those motives and therefore the alignment of those players.

Ranger has 86 posts and hasn't asked a question in any of them.

Not one real sincere question to anyone, once.

Lots of snarky rhetorical questions that she herself answers with "yeah, no" or "ya I thought so" but not a single solitary question showing that she is trying to find out what someone thinks about another player or a comment, to clarify something, or ask about why someone held some opinion.

It's funny. I have to determine if she does that as town by taking a look at some past stuff but it's impressive..I didn't think it was possible.

It's either hubris, a MASSIVE leak in her scum game, or a strange combination of both.

[duppin]

@Mod, On business trip, V/LA until monday the 13th

[BTD6_maker]

Spoiler:

You gonna delete my ninja postin?

We're in your game.
Stealin' your posting'.

I find it highly unlikely that this is a deliberate signal by either Traitor (to tell Mafia to pick a ninja) or Mafia (to tell Traitor that they have a ninja). Of course, this does not immediately rule out the possibility of Ranger being scum.

How did you get a read on Shadow_Step on page 1?

Two sources.
First, mod error. Shadow_step replaced in for a slot who, as Persivul explicitly said, did not pick up their role PMs. If the slot were scum, then we wouldn't have had scum choose the setup.
Second, and using less controversial logic, 17 didn't look like an RVS vote on a scumbuddy.

so assuming thats correct what do you think of Flores townreading Dunn?

Eh, nobody's perfect.

Like I'm expecting ranger to come in here and say that list was a reaction test and post a real list

What people don't seem to realize is that my readslists are

both

real

and

reaction tests. That's the genius behind them, which Ranger imitators fail to understand. ^_^

If you have genuine reads, what do you expect the reactions to be?

It seemed more like you just trying to get behind an easy wagon (assuming town flip).

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, wore it out.

I vote for, and pursue, scum. I also proceed through the thread page by page, usually marked by some obvious sign of where I am. (E.g. "one", "two", "8" translating to "this is through page 1/2/8" respectively.) This is a pattern, town and scum, consistent through almost all of my games. (

Almost

. There's been one or two times I've lurked as scum and read current content while pretending not to. Shockingly, I died in both games. Imagine that! I died for pretending.) I could not have known there was a wagon on ploben when catching up, until I actually saw there was a wagon on ploben.

I would vote scum regardless of whether I'd be the first or fifth vote. You're not

entirely

off-base though. One reason I voted ploben

was

because there's a wagon there. My vote wouldn't do much good if I was the only voter on, say, PantherPunt. Still, in spite of that, my point remains true. I don't care about how "easy" a lynch looks. Ever since my first game here, which you were in, I've known better. The SK was an easy lynch. The three scum? Eventually, easy lynches. In Suikoden, two of the three scum (who I immediately scumread) were easy lynches. They were still scum, and I still lynched them.

Opportunism is, in fact, something entirely absent from my scum game. I

avoid

easy lynches like the plague. They terrify me! Because they're easy, because the players on them will look bad when the player flips town (and I know that player will be flipping town), I fight them, and go for harder targets. It's win-win. If I succeed, I mislynch a stronger player. If I fail, then I get free town credit for fighting against the lynch.

So, ploben is no easy mislynch. ploben is just plain scum.

There is just one problem I have with this. You said that scum Ranger avoids easy lynches. It seems like you may be trying to use self-meta and go for a true easy lynch, justifying it and then subsequently having a scumbuddy point out that you were opportunistic. It's just a possibility, and not terribly likely at that. Other than that, I get a Town feel from this post.

Nothing you wrote makes me want to consider your scum reads as viable lynches

Well no

duh

.
You're one of them.

Regardless of your alignment, I wouldn't be able to convince you to lynch yourself.

You're not pushing your scum read.

I've pushed all my reads almost equally, town and scum. The only difference is that I deliberately held off on making my scum cases. That's literally the singular difference between my push on my scumreads, and my push defending my townreads, e.g. karnos.

You'll act like you have been but you're clearly not attempting to get any votes or do anything

The game opened Sunday, June 5th.
It is currently early morning on Thursday, June 9th. Pragmatically, that's 3 days of content.

Why would I need to at this stage?

If I push, I don't push for lulz. I don't push to pressure. When I push...I push to

lynch

.
So tell me.
When we're over three days into the game, heading towards our fourth, out of a given two weeks...
When we've used just about 25% of the time in the game.
Why would I be trying to get a lynch right here, right now?

No. It's not needed for another three days. Even then, that's sometimes considered early. Everything I give prior to that is me being extra-generous. (With the exception of the karnos case.) I didn't need to explain any of my reads because we're not at the stage of the game where I would need to push my reads. I chose to give some, but I also chose

not

to give some.

So you're arguing that kuroi is town because Panther and I were pushing him?

Yes. BECAUSE,

There's only 3 scum in the game.

Of ^this. There's only three. I have a very, very,

very

strong {ploben, Dunnstral, PantherPunt} scumteam. It's not just individual posts, either, it's also your buddy-buddy reactions and trivial questions to each other that you never bother to follow through on. Given that, and your push on Kuroi, it's basically impossible for him to be scum, even though his posting contains basically nothing town.

Such a strong read is almost certainly wrong. Statistically there is less than a 0.5% chance of you being correct. How can your read be so strong?

(Although you did list four scum in Open 638 that included both me and my Werewolf partner - you were Mafia yourself)

She acknowledges that there are pages worth of content since then. She doesn't acknowledge that she's using that information to inform her reads. She said she had me and Dunn near the bottom earlier on, and she is going to make cases on us when she's in the mood (assumingly off of content that causes her to put as that bottom as well as the "pages worth of content" since she made the read).

Your point being?

When I make a case, I make a case off of all (or at least, most--sometimes I exclude content which I have gone into great length in my commentaries, as it'd be redundant) content, past (prior to stating a read), present (during the time of the read), and relative-future (content given after the read). This gives the full portrait of the player. I explain what caused the read. I explain why that read continued to exist. I then also explain why I continue to uphold it. Or, in the rare cases where I've had a change of opinion off of the content posted between my reads and my case (it

does

happen!), I explain why I'm

not

continuing that read.

This is, frankly, the one and only logical way to present a case.

1) You say you provide reasons when asked. You were asked and you didn't.

I provided most of my reasons when asked, along with a promise to deliver the other asked reasons at a later date. A delay in giving content is not an absence of ability to produce content.

2) I am aware that you have, in the past, posted read lists with no thought process as town, yes. You are construing this into a logical fallacy whereby I called you lock scum for that reason. When you, yourself, acknowledge that you open games that way as both town and scum.

You scumreading ME on the basis that I should KNOW you're CAPABLE of posting read lists without thought processes as town is, simply put, laughable

Again, you're misconstruing the point I'm making.

The entirety of your push against me was "Ranger has not produced content".

This was your stated reason for suspecting me.

Inherent to that is a necessity, a MUST, that you then HAVE to believe

the act of not giving content is scummy

. This is a simple truth.

My point is that you have

seen me not giving content as town

, and therefore the basis of your read is BS that you KNOW is BS. You pushed something you know is a nulltell, as if it were a scumtell.

How would you expect me to read you as town when you devote time to fluffing it up but you won't devote time to solving the game.

One, prior to giving my reasons for most of my reads, off of my lists. I am held accountable for every read I make, be it town or scum. This is one reason why Florestan is basically the only player attacking/voting me that I

don't

hold issue with, because this is what Florestan did: looked at my readslist, disagreed with the reads, and come to the conclusion I must be scum because of them.

Two, after giving my reasons for most of my reads, off of them.
I have not explained a grand total of six reads:
One, Chip Butty, wasted effort given the near-universal townread on him, yet who I specifically said I'd explain if I was asked to anyway. Nobody has.
Two, BTD6, a nulltownread, who I specifically say there's not much TO read. I also said I'd explain if I was asked to.
Three, duppin, a nullread, who I went into the generals of by pointing out the basis of my read, but not the specifics. I also offered to explain if I was asked to. As per the above two, nobody has.
Four, five, and six, my three scumreads, who I deliberately held off on explaining.

That's five reads I've gone into lengths about you can read me on, three reads you can ASK me to go on about, one which I already half-explained and a second which I partially-explained. In short, basically almost every player, except for three. You can read me off of all of that.

You're choosing not to.

If she nailed all scum, then everyone else is scum by elimination, and she only mentioned me.

The reason for this is simple: I'm

not

scumreading the other players. (Save Scott, who is nullscum.) The other players were also not relevant to the current discussion, whereas you were. And you are a scumread. I just don't think you're actually scum, because there can be only three scum. If I was wrong on any of my core three, I'd immediately be looking into their interactions with you and vice-versa to see if you fit as a scumbuddy.

Are you even reading posts prior to giving your made up interpretations?

I do admit I skim a little, and did not see the second-to-last line. I skipped straight from the paragraph to the conclusion, missing that line altogether. The other line you highlight I do not see as saying ploben must be town, because it still follows from his prior statement and point.

Regardless, this is now irrelevant. I stand by my statement on Shadow being town, and I stand by my assessment of liking his push on Alpaca (now Kuroi). This is not diminished by his apparently townread on ploben. He does not need to see everything I see, have every read I do, in order for me to think that his push is immensely town.

This poost gives me a Town feel. I can understand the logic clearly and she seems to make sense. I get why you may not always want to explain scumreads (if you do then scum may change their behaviour to become less scummy and hide from you).

You said you town read her for disagreeing with your list.

That's not what I said.

I said it was the

way

Florestan treated my list.

Florestan was the

only

player, and I do mean

only

player, who treated my lists as I expect someone to treat my lists: reading them off of their content. Florestan's reads are nearly opposite of mine. Florestan apparently holds the belief my reads should be good. Florestan, as town, who holds reads, will presumably hold a similar philosophy towards reading to me: assuming

they

are right. Under Florestan's belief, that they are right, and Ranger should be a good player, yet Ranger's reads are opposite of theirs, it would naturally follow from a town perspective to be suspicious of (and eventually vote) me.

Don't you expect more from her? She's more analytical and has a lot more to say as town, wouldn't you say?

This is my first game with Florestan. It's horrible to say that I suspect Florestan's an alt, but unless Florestan explicitly says that, I'm going to assume it is in fact Florestan's first game with me. So I would have no way of saying.

Of course, believing in your reads does not mean that anyone who disagrees is scummy, but I will get on to that in Florestan's analysis.

Ranger brushing off 764 as fluff is slightly baffling

764 is a post you made, containing three questions addressed to Kuroi.
These questions did nothing to alter my opinion on Kuroi.
These questions did nothing to alter my opinion on you.
That post, therefore, did nothing to alter my views at all.

And is therefore fluff.
Any post, regardless of whether it is meant as content or not, which does not influence my viewpoint of a player is a fluff post, because by virtue of not influencing my viewpoint of a player, it is a post that I could skip and be none the worse for it. It doesn't matter if you're posting picture of bunnies or if you're asking questions that don't mean anything to me; both are equally as much fluff, because they aren't relevant to my reads. They're meaningless. Empty. Fruitless. Fluff.

Just because you don't use something in your reads doesn't mean no one will.

I didn't have all that much to say here, mostly because I haven't analysed anyone else yet. Overall, a weak townread.

[Persivul]

mhsmith0 replaces scott brosius.

[mhsmith0]

Reading thread now.

[ploben]

Welcome to the game mhsmith!

[Dunnstral]

Hi there

[Dunnstral]

Fair warning: I am going t be VERY suspicious of anyone jumping on the Ranger wagon before she has a chance to state the case she has been promising. And that goes for hopalong ploben ^, who has already done so. Lynching Ranger before she says what she has to say can only have a scum motivation; Town will not be afraid to hear her out, if they are confident in their case against her.

She's stalled it for like 7 days just vote her lol

At least bring her to l-1

Spoiler:

You gonna delete my ninja postin?

We're in your game.
Stealin' your posting'.

I find it highly unlikely that this is a deliberate signal by either Traitor (to tell Mafia to pick a ninja) or Mafia (to tell Traitor that they have a ninja). Of course, this does not immediately rule out the possibility of Ranger being scum.

How did you get a read on Shadow_Step on page 1?

Two sources.
First, mod error. Shadow_step replaced in for a slot who, as Persivul explicitly said, did not pick up their role PMs. If the slot were scum, then we wouldn't have had scum choose the setup.
Second, and using less controversial logic, 17 didn't look like an RVS vote on a scumbuddy.

so assuming thats correct what do you think of Flores townreading Dunn?

Eh, nobody's perfect.

Like I'm expecting ranger to come in here and say that list was a reaction test and post a real list

What people don't seem to realize is that my readslists are

both

real

and

reaction tests. That's the genius behind them, which Ranger imitators fail to understand. ^_^

If you have genuine reads, what do you expect the reactions to be?

It seemed more like you just trying to get behind an easy wagon (assuming town flip).

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, wore it out.

I vote for, and pursue, scum. I also proceed through the thread page by page, usually marked by some obvious sign of where I am. (E.g. "one", "two", "8" translating to "this is through page 1/2/8" respectively.) This is a pattern, town and scum, consistent through almost all of my games. (

Almost

. There's been one or two times I've lurked as scum and read current content while pretending not to. Shockingly, I died in both games. Imagine that! I died for pretending.) I could not have known there was a wagon on ploben when catching up, until I actually saw there was a wagon on ploben.

I would vote scum regardless of whether I'd be the first or fifth vote. You're not

entirely

off-base though. One reason I voted ploben

was

because there's a wagon there. My vote wouldn't do much good if I was the only voter on, say, PantherPunt. Still, in spite of that, my point remains true. I don't care about how "easy" a lynch looks. Ever since my first game here, which you were in, I've known better. The SK was an easy lynch. The three scum? Eventually, easy lynches. In Suikoden, two of the three scum (who I immediately scumread) were easy lynches. They were still scum, and I still lynched them.

Opportunism is, in fact, something entirely absent from my scum game. I

avoid

easy lynches like the plague. They terrify me! Because they're easy, because the players on them will look bad when the player flips town (and I know that player will be flipping town), I fight them, and go for harder targets. It's win-win. If I succeed, I mislynch a stronger player. If I fail, then I get free town credit for fighting against the lynch.

So, ploben is no easy mislynch. ploben is just plain scum.

There is just one problem I have with this. You said that scum Ranger avoids easy lynches. It seems like you may be trying to use self-meta and go for a true easy lynch, justifying it and then subsequently having a scumbuddy point out that you were opportunistic. It's just a possibility, and not terribly likely at that. Other than that, I get a Town feel from this post.

Nothing you wrote makes me want to consider your scum reads as viable lynches

Well no

duh

.
You're one of them.

Regardless of your alignment, I wouldn't be able to convince you to lynch yourself.

You're not pushing your scum read.

I've pushed all my reads almost equally, town and scum. The only difference is that I deliberately held off on making my scum cases. That's literally the singular difference between my push on my scumreads, and my push defending my townreads, e.g. karnos.

You'll act like you have been but you're clearly not attempting to get any votes or do anything

The game opened Sunday, June 5th.
It is currently early morning on Thursday, June 9th. Pragmatically, that's 3 days of content.

Why would I need to at this stage?

If I push, I don't push for lulz. I don't push to pressure. When I push...I push to

lynch

.
So tell me.
When we're over three days into the game, heading towards our fourth, out of a given two weeks...
When we've used just about 25% of the time in the game.
Why would I be trying to get a lynch right here, right now?

No. It's not needed for another three days. Even then, that's sometimes considered early. Everything I give prior to that is me being extra-generous. (With the exception of the karnos case.) I didn't need to explain any of my reads because we're not at the stage of the game where I would need to push my reads. I chose to give some, but I also chose

not

to give some.

So you're arguing that kuroi is town because Panther and I were pushing him?

Yes. BECAUSE,

There's only 3 scum in the game.

Of ^this. There's only three. I have a very, very,

very

strong {ploben, Dunnstral, PantherPunt} scumteam. It's not just individual posts, either, it's also your buddy-buddy reactions and trivial questions to each other that you never bother to follow through on. Given that, and your push on Kuroi, it's basically impossible for him to be scum, even though his posting contains basically nothing town.

Such a strong read is almost certainly wrong. Statistically there is less than a 0.5% chance of you being correct. How can your read be so strong?

(Although you did list four scum in Open 638 that included both me and my Werewolf partner - you were Mafia yourself)

She acknowledges that there are pages worth of content since then. She doesn't acknowledge that she's using that information to inform her reads. She said she had me and Dunn near the bottom earlier on, and she is going to make cases on us when she's in the mood (assumingly off of content that causes her to put as that bottom as well as the "pages worth of content" since she made the read).

Your point being?

When I make a case, I make a case off of all (or at least, most--sometimes I exclude content which I have gone into great length in my commentaries, as it'd be redundant) content, past (prior to stating a read), present (during the time of the read), and relative-future (content given after the read). This gives the full portrait of the player. I explain what caused the read. I explain why that read continued to exist. I then also explain why I continue to uphold it. Or, in the rare cases where I've had a change of opinion off of the content posted between my reads and my case (it

does

happen!), I explain why I'm

not

continuing that read.

This is, frankly, the one and only logical way to present a case.

1) You say you provide reasons when asked. You were asked and you didn't.

I provided most of my reasons when asked, along with a promise to deliver the other asked reasons at a later date. A delay in giving content is not an absence of ability to produce content.

2) I am aware that you have, in the past, posted read lists with no thought process as town, yes. You are construing this into a logical fallacy whereby I called you lock scum for that reason. When you, yourself, acknowledge that you open games that way as both town and scum.

You scumreading ME on the basis that I should KNOW you're CAPABLE of posting read lists without thought processes as town is, simply put, laughable

Again, you're misconstruing the point I'm making.

The entirety of your push against me was "Ranger has not produced content".

This was your stated reason for suspecting me.

Inherent to that is a necessity, a MUST, that you then HAVE to believe

the act of not giving content is scummy

. This is a simple truth.

My point is that you have

seen me not giving content as town

, and therefore the basis of your read is BS that you KNOW is BS. You pushed something you know is a nulltell, as if it were a scumtell.

How would you expect me to read you as town when you devote time to fluffing it up but you won't devote time to solving the game.

One, prior to giving my reasons for most of my reads, off of my lists. I am held accountable for every read I make, be it town or scum. This is one reason why Florestan is basically the only player attacking/voting me that I

don't

hold issue with, because this is what Florestan did: looked at my readslist, disagreed with the reads, and come to the conclusion I must be scum because of them.

Two, after giving my reasons for most of my reads, off of them.
I have not explained a grand total of six reads:
One, Chip Butty, wasted effort given the near-universal townread on him, yet who I specifically said I'd explain if I was asked to anyway. Nobody has.
Two, BTD6, a nulltownread, who I specifically say there's not much TO read. I also said I'd explain if I was asked to.
Three, duppin, a nullread, who I went into the generals of by pointing out the basis of my read, but not the specifics. I also offered to explain if I was asked to. As per the above two, nobody has.
Four, five, and six, my three scumreads, who I deliberately held off on explaining.

That's five reads I've gone into lengths about you can read me on, three reads you can ASK me to go on about, one which I already half-explained and a second which I partially-explained. In short, basically almost every player, except for three. You can read me off of all of that.

You're choosing not to.

If she nailed all scum, then everyone else is scum by elimination, and she only mentioned me.

The reason for this is simple: I'm

not

scumreading the other players. (Save Scott, who is nullscum.) The other players were also not relevant to the current discussion, whereas you were. And you are a scumread. I just don't think you're actually scum, because there can be only three scum. If I was wrong on any of my core three, I'd immediately be looking into their interactions with you and vice-versa to see if you fit as a scumbuddy.

Are you even reading posts prior to giving your made up interpretations?

I do admit I skim a little, and did not see the second-to-last line. I skipped straight from the paragraph to the conclusion, missing that line altogether. The other line you highlight I do not see as saying ploben must be town, because it still follows from his prior statement and point.

Regardless, this is now irrelevant. I stand by my statement on Shadow being town, and I stand by my assessment of liking his push on Alpaca (now Kuroi). This is not diminished by his apparently townread on ploben. He does not need to see everything I see, have every read I do, in order for me to think that his push is immensely town.

This poost gives me a Town feel. I can understand the logic clearly and she seems to make sense. I get why you may not always want to explain scumreads (if you do then scum may change their behaviour to become less scummy and hide from you).

You said you town read her for disagreeing with your list.

That's not what I said.

I said it was the

way

Florestan treated my list.

Florestan was the

only

player, and I do mean

only

player, who treated my lists as I expect someone to treat my lists: reading them off of their content. Florestan's reads are nearly opposite of mine. Florestan apparently holds the belief my reads should be good. Florestan, as town, who holds reads, will presumably hold a similar philosophy towards reading to me: assuming

they

are right. Under Florestan's belief, that they are right, and Ranger should be a good player, yet Ranger's reads are opposite of theirs, it would naturally follow from a town perspective to be suspicious of (and eventually vote) me.

Don't you expect more from her? She's more analytical and has a lot more to say as town, wouldn't you say?

This is my first game with Florestan. It's horrible to say that I suspect Florestan's an alt, but unless Florestan explicitly says that, I'm going to assume it is in fact Florestan's first game with me. So I would have no way of saying.

Of course, believing in your reads does not mean that anyone who disagrees is scummy, but I will get on to that in Florestan's analysis.

Ranger brushing off 764 as fluff is slightly baffling

764 is a post you made, containing three questions addressed to Kuroi.
These questions did nothing to alter my opinion on Kuroi.
These questions did nothing to alter my opinion on you.
That post, therefore, did nothing to alter my views at all.

And is therefore fluff.
Any post, regardless of whether it is meant as content or not, which does not influence my viewpoint of a player is a fluff post, because by virtue of not influencing my viewpoint of a player, it is a post that I could skip and be none the worse for it. It doesn't matter if you're posting picture of bunnies or if you're asking questions that don't mean anything to me; both are equally as much fluff, because they aren't relevant to my reads. They're meaningless. Empty. Fruitless. Fluff.

Just because you don't use something in your reads doesn't mean no one will.

I didn't have all that much to say here, mostly because I haven't analysed anyone else yet. Overall, a weak townread.

I don't really agree with your analysis here; and I'm not just talking about the end result, I mean the reasoning behind it

[KuroiXHF]

If Ranger gets to l1 she's already lynched

[mhsmith0]

Hey Dunn could you link me to your last wolf game? I want to get around to skimming it sometime this weekend to see if I can see anything notable.

Ps hey all! This should be a fun game, I'm only at like post 500 but am slowly working through it (I started before mod confirmed me in, I'm not THAT fast a reader)

[mhsmith0]

If Ranger gets to l1 she's already lynched

Guess I better not quick vote her then.

Ps please no quick hammers on anyone before I catch up. I'll probably be caught up by tonight.

[Dunnstral]

Hey Dunn could you link me to your last wolf game? I want to get around to skimming it sometime this weekend to see if I can see anything notable.

Ps hey all! This should be a fun game, I'm only at like post 500 but am slowly working through it (I started before mod confirmed me in, I'm not THAT fast a reader)

You'll see as you catch up that I was actually asked this by Panther but hon't have anything to show

If you really want to you can compare to my newbie game (town) or one of the other 2 I died in where I was town

If Ranger gets to l1 she's already lynched

Guess I better not quick vote her then.

Ps please no quick hammers on anyone before I catch up. I'll probably be caught up by tonight.

Kuroi is wrong by the way, ploben is already on the wagon and he's the one who said he wanted to hammer her

[Dunnstral]

Is there a reason you wanted my game in particular, actually?

[KuroiXHF]

You're right. Thanks for correting me

[Dunnstral]

Kuroi is wrong again it's spelt correcting

[mhsmith0]

Is there a reason you wanted my game in particular, actually?

Yes. I've skimmed some games and have seen you seem to be pretty consistently aggressive (I think always as town or unflipped) and was curious if your wolf game resembled it or not. Also you're a pretty high volume poster here, so it seems like getting a good read on you would be useful.

Ps I don't remember which games they were, sorry.

[Dunnstral]

But do I have this right, Panther and Dunnstral, if Ranger flips scum I'm more likely to be scum too?

Not necessarily, I was only arguing that you would be a good match for ranger mafia

For now I think I'm still leaning nulltown on you after all

[mhsmith0]

If Ranger gets to l1 she's already lynched

Fwiw, I'd interpreted this as kuroi stating intent. Ok then.

[Chip Butty]

She's stalled it for like 7 days just vote her lol

She said she is waiting on input from BTD and Scott (now mhsmith). We've heard from BTD, so if Ranger doesn't post her case a reasonable time after mhsmitch has finished his readthrough and commented, I will seriously think about it. Fair enough?

BTW, hi mhsmith, welcome to the game!

[Dunnstral]

Obviously it's fair if you're willing to vote her after all over your previous dynamic trio/quartet

Don't get your hopes up for that case though

[Chip Butty]

I fully expect Ranger to post her cases as promised after mhsmith weighs in. What happens after that depends in part on the strength of those cases. Remember, all I said in #1169 was that I would seriously look at voting her if she went AWOL after mhsmith comments.

[Chip Butty]

Incidentally, I think I said somewhere I am not interested in a Kuroi lynch today. I think I might want to retreat from that, but I'll have to go over his recent posts in order to decide.

[PantherPunt]

Reading thread now.

Hey lemon

[Persivul]

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