Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)

[Grace]

The reason I'm not posting much lately is because this week I have my finals and I barely have time to read your posts, that's also why I withdrew my vote, not because I don't think Accountant is scum, but because I have little time to really think about it and analyze the rest of you, and I don't think we should rush and do an immediate lynch the first day, we don't have enough clues yet, we only have a bunch of reactions.

[Mizzytastic]

This is a unashamed prod-doge, though I will read back up. I'm currrently having to sort some stuff out with the listmods. I will read up and try to post something later today, but I might be having to replace out. If I do I'll try to rememer to come back after the game to explain why.

[Accountant]

Who do you think is scum and why, Grace?

[Grace]

I suspect all of you right now :v Nah ot really. But again, I've only had time to skim read your posts, I've probably missed something and I haven't been able to think this through. Tomorrow I should have some free time, so I'll re-read everything and make a post about what I think about y'all.

[Accountant]

Okay, that sounds good. Please focus on Mizzytastic especially, I want to know what you think of her.

[RadiantCowbells]

Accountant is scum. stop voting people who aren't accountant and start voting people who are.

Note that Accountant hasn't said anything to me.

[Lycanfire]

My problem with the Accountant wagon is that nobody on it seems to care enough to pressure him. Reeks of scum. I don't totally agree with Simoyd's case about him, your (RC) no content posts, Pants' vote and subsequent lack of reasoning. I have my own misgivings about him like how he wanted to defend IV more than IV wanted to defend himself. That was very strange, but he gave me the only answer possible for that (not that it justifies it). I don't like his newest post#154 because it sounds like a "validate my scumread" post.

I'll re-read the thread tonight as everyone else is going to apparently. My vote might be better placed, but I'm not convinced of that right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am busy as hell. I am sorry.

[Simoyd]

Note that Accountant hasn't said anything to me.

What's there to say? You basically have one unquantified read to analyse and he already OMGUS'd it... Not sure what response you'd expect?

[Accountant]

Accountant is scum. stop voting people who aren't accountant and start voting people who are.

Note that Accountant hasn't said anything to me.

Hey RC, just a reminder that I on principle don't really interact with you much on Day 1. The rule I established back in that other newbie whose name slips my mind is that I'll townread you at the start of the game and scumread you more as time passes by without you getting NKed, and I am sticking to that.

In addition, you don't talk to your scumreads, so I don't see anything to be gained out of talking to you. If you have something to say and want me to respond just directly address me. Thanks.

[Accountant]

I don't like his newest post#154 because it sounds like a "validate my scumread" post.

If Grace goes "hey Mizzy is obvtown" and lists a bunch of reasons wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of it?

[Lycanfire]

I don't like his newest post#154 because it sounds like a "validate my scumread" post.

If Grace goes "hey Mizzy is obvtown" and lists a bunch of reasons wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of it?

Does scumAccountant have anything to lose at this point?

[Simoyd]

It certainly was enough to wrap up the game if Meepo had been serious.

Do you really believe that?

[Simoyd]

Please explain how my post made people feel stupid.

ok...

currently I'm convinced that anyone who reads him anything but null is:
1) Scum making up a read
2) Misguided town who feels they have to have a strong read on everyone
3) Confused

Any talk of InnocentVillager at this point is a distraction and if you're town you should focus on the people that matter.

What I mostly meant was #2 and #3 which are straight up personal attacks on anyone who was considering IV. The rest I've quoted here is of the same tone.

You either think it's a scum read, or you think it's NAI. This stuff you said is only to manipulate. Now everyone has to see if they read a town or scum motivation from that manipulation.

[Accountant]

I don't like his newest post#154 because it sounds like a "validate my scumread" post.

If Grace goes "hey Mizzy is obvtown" and lists a bunch of reasons wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of it?

Does scumAccountant have anything to lose at this point?

scum!Accountant has quite a lot to lose. The wagon on me was dead in the water after Grace backed off; like you said, nobody was applying a lot of pressure. It makes no sense to characterize this as a desperate move.

[Simoyd]

I don't expect Mizzy to strike at the heart of anyone. If she doesn't have something real to scumhunt, she be honest and say that she can't find any openings to question rather than trying to look good by jabbing aimlessly.

I'm really trying to understand your read on Mizzy...

Would you prefer for her to just say "I can't find any opening to question" every 48 hours instead of at least trying to question and analyse? Wouldn't activity from her be good for town, regardless if she's scum or not, instead of making her feel bad about her direction and post less?

I think it would be accurate to quantify almost everything that happened before post 30 as "jabbing aimlessly", including your posts. I think everything I did before post 112 was "jabbing aimlessly" trying to hit something. Can you explain to me why you think this is a scum tell?

[Simoyd]

It makes no sense to characterize this as a desperate move.

Do you feel like you're under pressure right now?

[Accountant]

What I mostly meant was #2 and #3 which are straight up personal attacks on anyone who was considering IV. The rest I've quoted here is of the same tone.

These are not personal attacks. They simply reflect the state of the game. If I had said "you are an idiot for not nullreading IV" that would be personal but when I said misguided I was simply referring to the fact that the person would be focusing their energies on the wrong player and would be well advised to participate in actual scumhunting.

Scumreading IV is NAI by itself, but it can be part of a pattern of weak attacks where the player just picks on easy targets.

[Accountant]

It makes no sense to characterize this as a desperate move.

Do you feel like you're under pressure right now?

No, not at all. Two of the people voting me - Pants and RC - have literally no stated reason and the others are quite apathetic about me I feel.

[Simoyd]

if a town member is confident they've found a good player to vote, they should want the rest of the town to vote with them.

I think the "how" is questionable. You chose the "ask someone directly to sheep me" route. I'm concerned with what motivated you to choose that.

[Accountant]

Would you prefer for her to just say "I can't find any opening to question" every 48 hours instead of at least trying to question and analyse? Wouldn't activity from her be good for town, regardless if she's scum or not, instead of making her feel bad about her direction and post less?

Scumhunting is not just about questioning. She could analyze the posts that are already there, state her reads, make cases and so on if she can't find an opening.

I think it would be accurate to quantify almost everything that happened before post 30 as "jabbing aimlessly", including your posts. I think everything I did before post 112 was "jabbing aimlessly" trying to hit something. Can you explain to me why you think this is a scum tell?

I disagree. My early posts and interactions helped me to sort Grace quickly. Jabbing is a scum tell because it makes scum look like they're scumhunting when they are just sitting at their computers asking aimless questions as they already know who is what alignment.

[Accountant]

if a town member is confident they've found a good player to vote, they should want the rest of the town to vote with them.

I think the "how" is questionable. You chose the "ask someone directly to sheep me" route. I'm concerned with what motivated you to choose that.

How else would I get RC to vote with me? He doesn't respond to cases, which is my usual go to for pushibg a wagon.

[Simoyd]

Why do you think that me defending IV means that we both have to be scum together?

You seem to be doing it an unusually high amount, and your defense has no substance other than the defense he had already said, with a few personal attacks on top. I don't think it's certainly enough to wrap up the game, but I think it's unusual and I wonder about the motivation behind it.

All town would defend another player who they feel to be unfairly attacked

I wouldn't... I would attack the person who attacked my town read. Does that mean you think I'm scum?

[Simoyd]

How else would I get RC to vote with me?

I'm not sure one exists, but did you really expect to yield any fruit for this effort?

[Accountant]

I wouldn't... I would attack the person who attacked my town read. Does that mean you think I'm scum?

Not really

I'm not sure one exists, but did you really expect to yield any fruit for this effort?

Yes.