Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:56 am

If the refusal is recent, I think he's avoiding spew. When was the first time you asked him?

Chip Butty · Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:59 am

In post 514, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 512, ploben wrote: Scott's got a few points I agree with and has since interactions and associations.
Thanks, but wading through all that minute detail is giving me a headache, so could you be a little more vague? /sarcasm

In post 512, ploben wrote: All Alpaca has done is defend me and not really provided any other content.
Reeeeeeallllllllly? If you see being focussed on defending you to the exclusion of all else as scummy, I would be FASCINATED to read your current view on your bud duppen, in the light of my ISO of him...

brb, I'm off to get some popcorn...

In post 1350, mhsmith0 wrote:If the refusal is recent, I think he's avoiding spew. When was the first time you asked him?

Way back in #514. Then I pushed him on it again repeatedly a couple pages back...

PantherPunt · Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:16 am

I think if Kuroi were town that'd be an easy mislynch scum would be all over. willing to jump onto it as soon as I started the hard push upon his entry

yet no steam

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:17 am

@chip: Hmm. Off the cuff, not sure.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:45 am

In post 1352, PantherPunt wrote:I think if Kuroi were town that'd be an easy mislynch scum would be all over. willing to jump onto it as soon as I started the hard push upon his entry

yet no steam

Umm...

In post 593, PantherPunt wrote:unofficial VC

karnos (3) - duppin, BTD6, scott brosius
Ploben (3) - chip butty, karnos, ranger
Kuroi (3) - shadow, ploben, Dunnstral
Ranger (2) - pantherpunt, florestan

Not voting (1) - Kuroi

interestingly ploben and Dunn both moved onto Alpaca/Kuroi

my town looks like:
chip
ploben
Dunn
duppin
karnos

@Dunn I've never actually seen your scum game yet so I'm not sure how well you can mimic your town game. Got any links to share with me?

Oh look there's ploben jumping onto aplaca (pre kuroi). Or did you think the whole wolf team would go there? Or did you think this was legit a good vote?

In post 509, ploben wrote:I thinking lurking scum is very dangerous in this particular game. This yields to little to no associations and makes it very tough for town to evaluate.

VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

Also, notably this vote (off of kuroi) took the air out of that wagon

In post 647, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Ranger

Changed my mind she's mafia after all

So in a world where plob is a wolf (very likely IMO), either Dunn is town and the air was going out of the kuroi wagon so it wasn't an easy mislynch after all, or Dunn is buddy #2 so there already wasn't much room to get more wolves onto kuroi anyway.

Now, in a world in which plob is town I might take this "kuroi wolf because wagon resistance" argument more seriously, but I really don't think we live in such a world.

karnos · Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:03 am

In post 1332, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1328, karnos wrote:
In post 1326, duppin wrote:Seeing as this game has just finished, this is the main reason I think Dunnstral is town. I encourage any town who is scumreading him to check this because
I was scumreading Dunnstral pretty badly this game
and we were both town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66300

While I do admit I haven't seen Dunnstral as scum yet,
he is pretty much playing the exact same way as he did in that one
.
Does anyone else see the obvious logical failure above?
I don't see how you're confused.

Duppin was scumreading Dunnstral in that game. It turned out they were both town.

Dunnstral is playing the exact same way here.

That is why Duppin thinks Dunnstral is town in this game.

I confirmed this, the Dunnstral flip in the other game was on May 22, prior to this game. There is no obvious flaw in the reasoning there.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:11 am

So Mhsmith, do you think I'm scum?

mhsmith0 · Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:34 am

In post 1356, KuroiXHF wrote:So Mhsmith, do you think I'm scum?

I'm not really sure tbh. I plan to re read you and get a better read before EOD.

ploben · Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:28 am

In post 1354, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1352, PantherPunt wrote:I think if Kuroi were town that'd be an easy mislynch scum would be all over. willing to jump onto it as soon as I started the hard push upon his entry

yet no steam
Umm...
In post 593, PantherPunt wrote:unofficial VC

karnos (3) - duppin, BTD6, scott brosius
Ploben (3) - chip butty, karnos, ranger
Kuroi (3) - shadow, ploben, Dunnstral
Ranger (2) - pantherpunt, florestan

Not voting (1) - Kuroi

interestingly ploben and Dunn both moved onto Alpaca/Kuroi

my town looks like:
chip
ploben
Dunn
duppin
karnos

@Dunn I've never actually seen your scum game yet so I'm not sure how well you can mimic your town game. Got any links to share with me?
Oh look there's ploben jumping onto aplaca (pre kuroi). Or did you think the whole wolf team would go there? Or did you think this was legit a good vote?

In post 509, ploben wrote:I thinking lurking scum is very dangerous in this particular game. This yields to little to no associations and makes it very tough for town to evaluate.

VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca
Also, notably this vote (off of kuroi) took the air out of that wagon

In post 647, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Ranger

Changed my mind she's mafia after all
So in a world where plob is a wolf (very likely IMO), either Dunn is town and the air was going out of the kuroi wagon so it wasn't an easy mislynch after all, or Dunn is buddy #2 so there already wasn't much room to get more wolves onto kuroi anyway.

Now, in a world in which plob is town I might take this "kuroi wolf because wagon resistance" argument more seriously, but I really don't think we live in such a world.

You do live in this world so take it more seriously.

ploben · Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:29 am

@Chip
I think I've let IRL stuff get me a little more frustrated than I should. If you're town you deserve info to solve this game. How can I help?

Chip Butty · Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:56 am

In post 1359, ploben wrote:@Chip
I think I've let IRL stuff get me a little more frustrated than I should. If you're town you deserve info to solve this game. How can I help?

I guess the glib answer would be "Self vote", but more seriously: You could begin by answering in some detail the question re: your inconsistent responses to Alpaca's and duppin's defenses of you, that I have asked about five times already...

Dunnstral · Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:15 am

Man if that's Ranger's case just vote her now

Dunnstral · Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:16 am

That stuff is all made up too, like I never treated karnos as town where you said I was and it doesn't even look like it can be argued into that

ploben · Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:25 am

Alright so Alpaca just threw some wiki stuff in at the start and then defended me for it. He really didn't contribute anything else meaningful.

However, Duppin gave some reads on you and your tone, responded about his RVS vote, and also commented on BTD.

I don't see their play any similar, aside from the simple fact that didn't think the IC thing was scummy.

Is there something in particular you want me to respond to?

PantherPunt · Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:43 am

In post 1362, Dunnstral wrote:That stuff is all made up too, like I never treated karnos as town where you said I was and it doesn't even look like it can be argued into that

I covered this bit I was kinda hoping you tore that post a new asshole when you came in. slightly let down

KuroiXHF · Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:45 am

In post 1359, ploben wrote:@Chip
I think I've let IRL stuff get me a little more frustrated than I should. If you're town you deserve info to solve this game. How can I help?

This sounds like scum trying to appear like good guys. I can't say that I town-read Ploben anymore.

Dunnstral · Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:48 am

I mean the whole case is bad and a "let-down"

Don't know if even Chip buys into it

Dunnstral · Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:48 am

Kuroi give thoughts on Rangers case please

ploben · Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:55 am

In post 1365, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1359, ploben wrote:@Chip
I think I've let IRL stuff get me a little more frustrated than I should. If you're town you deserve info to solve this game. How can I help?
This sounds like scum trying to appear like good guys. I can't say that I town-read Ploben anymore.

That's OK, I don't need scum to town read me.

Chip Butty · Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:10 am

In post 1366, Dunnstral wrote:I mean the whole case is bad and a "let-down"

Don't know if even Chip buys into it

I need to re-read more thoroughly. My impression as I went through was that I agreed with the broad flow of it, but after all the build-up and delay, I was expecting something a little more...revelatory, I guess. Like, a blinding insight that I had completely missed that would totally blow the case wide open. It didn't appear to be that...so far. But there is more to come, is there not?

On the other hand, I didn't get "Ranger has to die today" from it either. Anyway, as I say, I'll re-read it; maybe I missed something. I would also like Ranger to answer in some detail the question that ploben finally sort-of answered re: his differing responses to Alpaca's and duppin's defenses of him. @Ranger you might have said something already, but can you indulge me and revisit it please? I think it does show up ploben in an inconsistency. @Eveeryone else: please feel free to weigh in...

I would still rather lynch ploben today. From what I hear, Town.Ranger is likely to draw NK attention anyway, so we can wait to see what happens there.

Chip Butty · Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:15 am

One thing I do want t say re:Ranger's case, though: Broad 'discrediting'-type remarks won't cut the mustard, and even look as scummy as that sort of thing usually does. I think we need to see detailed responses by critics of the case...

KuroiXHF · Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:16 am

In post 1367, Dunnstral wrote:Kuroi give thoughts on Rangers case please

Ranger doesn't convince me that he's town. He talks a lot but he's the kind to fight until his death.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:17 am

VOTE: Ploben

Dunnstral · Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:19 am

Lol it's just Ranger Kuroi maf team

Dunnstral · Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:21 am

In post 1370, Chip Butty wrote:One thing I do want t say re:Ranger's case, though: Broad 'discrediting'-type remarks won't cut the mustard, and even look as scummy as that sort of thing usually does. I think we need to see detailed responses by critics of the case...

Alright Chip, look specifically at the parts where Ranger says I'm treating Karnos as town. Do you agree or disagree with that?