Newbie 1715 (Game Over)

[Dragon of the West]

So if tojam turns scum then his partner should be either LQ or DotW.
If tojam flips town then scum will still be either LQ or DotW, with the addition of Creature or Dwlee9.

Sound about right? Or could Dwlee9 possibly be scum with tojam?

This is where I'm at mostly, yeah. I think Creature is town regardless of the Tojam flip though.

I don't think it makes sense for me to be tojam's partner if he flips scum. I've had him as my scum read and had a vote on him nearly all game. Also, I was his L-1 vote originally. The only option left would be that I'm bussing this early but everyone said that wouldn't make sense when I said I thought creature could be scum

[SirCakez]

Those are fair points
I think LQ is a more likely buddy

[atm487]

K so alot of people mentioning me, and I would like to give some input. I'm find with people scum reading me, it's just that I do agree with most of you, but it's hard to decide who to vote for. I don't want to be lynched cause I voted for a town with just some suspicion, so yea. I'll keep in mind the arguments made, if Tojam flips scum then it's either creature or DOTW, but those are just guesses, not statements.

[eagerSnake]

Won't be too much longer now

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.5

tojam2 (3):

SirCakez, Dwlee99, crazycrabman

Creature (1):

LicketyQuickety

No Vote (5):

atm487, Creature, Dragon of the West, eagerSnake, tojam2

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, June 24, at 4:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-06-24 16:00:00).

[eagerSnake]

Oh we have more time than I had thought! I was looking at the date the thread was created instead of when it opened

[LicketyQuickety]

Who was saying we Lynch tojam and the next day Lynch creature? It keeps coming to my mind and just oozes scum

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

I'd like you to quote this please cuz I'm pretty sure this never happened.

[LicketyQuickety]

Reads:

Town:
eagerSnake
crazycrabman

Town Lean:
Dwlee
atm487
Dragon of the West

Null:
tojam

Scum lean:
SirCakez

Scum:
Creature

[eagerSnake]

Interesting. Why the town lean on DotW?

[LicketyQuickety]

Interesting. Why the town lean on DotW?

Because I read him a genuine. I don't think he makes up what he is saying.

[Creature]

Since everybody is giving their readlists, I am posting mine.

Town: crazycrabman, Dwlee99, eagerSnake
Townleans: atm487, Dragon of the West, SirCakez
Scumleans: LicketyQuickety, tojam2

[Dwlee99]

Interesting. Why the town lean on DotW?

you never asked me D:

[Dragon of the West]

Who was saying we Lynch tojam and the next day Lynch creature? It keeps coming to my mind and just oozes scum

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

I'd like you to quote this please cuz I'm pretty sure this never happened.

This was totally me. But that was before I considered the whole partners thing. I was just going with who seemed individually scummy but a few people pointed out that creature wasn't acting in a way that insinuated he was tojam's partner

[Dwlee99]

it astonishes me that 5 days into the game 5 people don't have votes placed.

[Dragon of the West]

Eh I've had my vote on and off tojam. The only reason its not on right now was out of fear that at would hammer vote without realizing it

[Dragon of the West]

Pedit: atm*
My phone keeps autocorrecting that

[Dwlee99]

okay fine, four people.

[SirCakez]

Who was saying we Lynch tojam and the next day Lynch creature? It keeps coming to my mind and just oozes scum

LQ I think
Who is indeed probably scum

I'd like you to quote this please cuz I'm pretty sure this never happened.

Looks like this was my bad.

Reads:

Town:
eagerSnake
crazycrabman

Town Lean:
Dwlee
atm487
Dragon of the West

Null:
tojam

Scum lean:
SirCakez

Scum:
Creature

But I can't see how any town right now could possibly have this view of the gamestate.

[Creature]

I am not sure if LQ is the kind of scum that would white-knight his scum buddy (tojam2) so weak like this.

[crazycrabman]

I still don't know about you LQ. I feel like you are honestly trying to hunt for the scum, but just have a different view than us. You do have a bit of a scummy feel but not like some other people here. We'll see how tojam is oriented and maybe that will shed some light on the situation.

[Dragon of the West]

Okay so here are my thoughts: we aren't getting any more information by sitting around. Atm doesnt magically have anything to add and everyone has added their 2 cents. The majority is on tojam and that isn't changing. Tojam hasn't given any more information, any of his own reads, or a decent defense of himself after 2 irl days since deciding he was who was getting lynched. I'd love to wait if we could glean more useful information, but at this point I think we need to have someone confirmed before intelligently speculating more than we already have. In anticipation of a nightkill it'd be wise for people to try to give their spiel before ending the day.
Creature: While it doesn't seem like creature could be teamed with tojam, I'd say creature may be scum if tojam flips town
LQ: definitely a possible partner of tojam
Dwlee: I'm iffy on this read. He may be scum regardless of how tojam flips but I'd need another day phase to analyze what he says
Atm: seems like noob town
Sircakez: town lean
EagerSnake: null
Crazy: town

VOTE: tojam L-1

[Dragon of the West]

If creature flips scum layer in the game. Crazy is my first guess at his partner

[Dragon of the West]

Maybe not my first guess, but I wouldnt read him so strongly as town anymore

[crazycrabman]

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

[crazycrabman]

Also an amendment to my previous post about teams, I don't think a creature-Dwlee team could happen because Dwlee was the first to vote for creature and kept that vote up to when the tojam wagon started. I feel a crature-sircakez team is more likely. You could say that Dwlee's vote was to distance them apart and when he realized a wagon started to form on creature he hopped off, though.