Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.19

karnos (1) - BTD6
Ploben (5) - chip butty, ranger, mhsmith, karnos, kuroi (L-2)
KuroiXHF (3) - shadow, ploben, dunnstral
Ranger (3) - pantherpunt, florestan, duppin

Not voting (0) -

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-06-19 07:30:00) remain until day end

[PantherPunt]

1430 and 1431 are both scum posting for different reasons, by the way, but right now I lack the energy to go into why.

You can't even give a top of the head example? Not one?

A few I haven't pointed out.

Most I already have.

They're in my iso already, in my commentary. So while it's true, I can't name post numbers off the top of my head...I can say that I've covered this. Not as extensively as I would

prefer

, but adequately enough.

My intent there was to warn scum that they would not get away with trying to blow off your cases with broad discrediting-type remarks.

I'd advise you to look at how Dunnstral and PantherPunt have been treating my case.

the ploben/ranger wolf/wolf theory continued...

ranger has posts with reasons why ploben is a wolf (bc he is and ranger knows and it's fucking easy when you are viewing the game through the lens that your bro is, in fact, a wolf)

ranger has posts with reasons why dunn is a wolf and they are laughably 1) bad 2) incorrect or misinterpretations/misrepresentations

ranger has ~0 posts with reasons why I am a wolf. she just has said a couple times "this is a wolf post"

I can't put it more simply. Even if ploben isn't a wolf, RANGER ALWAYS IS

[ploben]

I can't deny the information gained from my flip would be huge since it seems like there is a line down the middle of the population of this game as to my alignment. But I'd like to make it past D1 finally as town in one of these darn games.

[PantherPunt]

if ploben is town, Florestan just skyrocketed up my wolf list

Great, so a ploben flip would be even more informative. And that is a huge "if" imo.

nah, this is:

if

[PantherPunt]

I can't deny the information gained from my flip would be huge since it seems like there is a line down the middle of the population of this game as to my alignment. But I'd like to make it past D1 finally as town in one of these darn games.

what do you think of flor's defense of you mr town?

[PantherPunt]

general thing - mostly for chip but others too...don't be SO level 1.

"this guy is defending this guy and this guy, so if one is a wolf the others are too" is almost always wrong fyi. powerwolfing, as it's known to me, is hard and requires correct circumstances. and doing it correctly means you won't even notice it's being done. a bro doesn't outright defend a bro that often...they just push the shit out of someone else instead, and then their bros push there too. that's the way to powerwolf

when you see someone defending someone that is actually scummy, and they flip town, question the defender there. they probably fell victim to wanting to get towncred and failed to realize their defense of "I just don't see it" looks like blatant TMI (HI FLORESTAN if ploben flips town. saying mhsmith's case doesn't do anything for you was the wrong choice if ploben/you are town/scum).

[PantherPunt]

Spoiler:

1505 is a scum post. Can't be bothered to say why though. Just trust me guyz.

[ploben]

I can't deny the information gained from my flip would be huge since it seems like there is a line down the middle of the population of this game as to my alignment. But I'd like to make it past D1 finally as town in one of these darn games.

what do you think of flor's defense of you mr town?

I like that Flor brought up points to think about players differently and not just assuming their alignment read is correct. His info dump and defense comes at an interesting time late in the day, like he's setting himself up for some town cred due to it looking like I could be pushed to a lynch.

Going waaaay back, he did push me hard early in the game so comparing that to his stance now seems like a townie reconsideration of the game progression.

Flor is bordering lurker status so if scum could be dangerous. Might not be a bad target for cop in N1.

[ploben]

Spoiler:

1505 is a scum post. Can't be bothered to say why though. Just trust me guyz.

Ranger probably has a N0 red check on you Panther...when she was all up in this thread ninja'ing the posts.

[PantherPunt]

Dunn what do you think about flor? Markedly different from plot's newbie but I'm back and forth on him all game

[PantherPunt]

If I was town and got accused of intentionally messing up pronouns on a bro I would be irate with my accuser and definitely come at them for it

Kuroi says nothing

Noted

[karnos]

Not a big fan of florestan's post. I get it, you can't know for sure who the scum are. Pointing that out is useless though. We just take our best guess and go with it. Theorizing about scum partners isn't a bad thing, because if ploben flips town or whatever, it's not like we are committed to our reads based on him being scum, we can simply readjust. But lets be real, he won't flip town.

[Chip Butty]

general thing - mostly for chip but others too...don't be SO level 1.

"this guy is defending this guy and this guy, so if one is a wolf the others are too" is almost always wrong fyi.

1. I think you are the one being level 1 here. Stuff needs to be said, to get responses. See, here you talk as if you are making a general point, but this will relate to a specific agenda. FWIW, in my experience, condescending advice usually comes from Town, but I don't put too much store in that because I don't keep records of stuff like that, and I don't have a reliable database of examples to access. Which brings me to another point:

2. I don't put much store into that quoted bit above, because "is almost always wrong" is just weasally - pretending to make a factual point, without factual backup. Basically, if you are just quoting from your own experience, I reserve the right to respond with "MMMV".

[Florestan]

Just the last three, Plob is null at this point because there are issues with his slot and BTD is null scum I just don't like how far in the game you are planning this. Kuroi/Ranger for d1.

I didn't take notes this game so I don't have a readlist per se and I'm not in a mood to go tryhard right now and make one.

Its a weird line for mafia to come up with, like it would be super scary to say especially out in the blue like that, it makes perfect sense for town to do. I really think it is town.

[KuroiXHF]

If I was town and got accused of intentionally messing up pronouns on a bro I would be irate with my accuser and definitely come at them for it

Kuroi says nothing

Noted

There's really for me to say.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn what do you think about flor? Markedly different from plot's newbie but I'm back and forth on him all game

Called him out as scummy early on, since then he hasn't really done much but everyone else started appearing scummier than him so he kind of got lost in there

I think he can still be scum, but besides that ploben town thing you were talking about, I'm not sure how I'd associate him with anyone in a big way

It's possible that he's mafia but I'd never want to kill him before Ranger and Kuroi (Unless you think if Ploben is town, Florestan is more likely mafia?)

[mhsmith0]

Ploben is like 90% a wolf, kuroi like 70%. I'll compromise on kuroi to save someone other than ploben or to avoid a no lynch. I don't really have anything else to say at this point.

[KuroiXHF]

FYI, I'm probably going to replace out. I know I replaced in and honestly, I've never replaced out before, but I know as well as people I've played with that I can do so much better than I am.

But I can't get myself together to scum hunt, and this isn't fair to the rest of the townies.

I'm nearly lynched, and I'm not even fighting it.

[KuroiXHF]

So yeah...

Mod, replace me out please.

[PantherPunt]

I know it's not the meta here but that's a mk where I play

At the very least it's a really shitty angle shoot to make the "here's why I'm replacing out" post

Let's turbo lynch before replacement bc fuck that

[PantherPunt]

VOTE: KUROIXHFWOLFLOL

[ploben]

I'd love to hear what Ranger thinks about our current situation.

[Dunnstral]

Man

[Dunnstral]

I'd love to hear what Ranger thinks about our current situation.

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[ploben]

I'd love to hear what Ranger thinks about our current situation.

...?

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