Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)

[Postie]

Hey have I taken LSD

Since when does RC voluntarily release pressure on a hard tunnel of his

Is this supposed to be justification for your scumread?

[Accountant]

I've already stated why I don't like RC, he's not giving reasons and making bad pushes. I know it's his meta but I don't see the spark that usually leads me to townread him early.

[Postie]

Yeah but was that supposed to be another reason why you were scumreading him?

[Accountant]

No, it was a statement of confusion because RC doesn't usually do this

[innocentvillager]

I'll set aside a block of time before the 20th to tackle this game then.

Taking accountant off L-1 until that time.

UNVOTE:

More when I have time, but I really don't like this unvote. RC's screaming "Accountant's scum. Really like him for scum. Like my vote on him. He's scum, but I'm busy, so I won't give reasons, but he's scum." And suddenly, "I'm busy, so I'll unvote for now." I didn't have a problem with his tunneling on Accountant before he made this unvote.

It wouldn't really do much good to vote RC now since he won't be doing anything until the 20th, but I want to hear from Pants or his replacement soon, since the unannounced L-1 by an SE was a pretty scummy move.

[Postie]

Um, that's actually a pretty towny post.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll set aside a block of time before the 20th to tackle this game then.

Taking accountant off L-1 until that time.

UNVOTE:

More when I have time, but I really don't like this unvote. RC's screaming "Accountant's scum. Really like him for scum. Like my vote on him. He's scum, but I'm busy, so I won't give reasons, but he's scum." And suddenly, "I'm busy, so I'll unvote for now." I didn't have a problem with his tunneling on Accountant before he made this unvote.

It wouldn't really do much good to vote RC now since he won't be doing anything until the 20th, but I want to hear from Pants or his replacement soon, since the unannounced L-1 by an SE was a pretty scummy move.

Postie replaced in and her being in the game makes me unwilling to push a lynch until I've fully read.

I still have a strong scumread on Accountant but I've mostly ignored the rest of the game. I want to have more on the entire playerlist before I let Accountant get lynched, reegardless of flip.

[Accountant]

Postie replaced in and her being in the game makes me unwilling to push a lynch until I've fully read.

What do you mean?

[Postie]

I want to have more on the entire playerlist before I let Accountant get lynched, reegardless of flip.

Yep, that's basically where I'm at too.

[Simoyd]

Getting prodded once then replaced is a town tell right?

[Postie]

It's more of a "this player has a life outside if MafiaScum" tell.

[RadiantCowbells]

It means, shocker, I like playing with Postie and I want to put everything into the game when we're in it together.

[Accountant]

It means, shocker, I like playing with Postie and I want to put everything into the game when we're in it together.

>implying I'm not worth putting everything into

[Accountant]

Getting prodded once then replaced is a town tell right?

nope

[innocentvillager]

Um, that's actually a pretty towny post.

If you're referring to RC's post, why?

I initially thought RC's unvote was bad but seeing after his explanation on wanting to really try when you replaced in is NAI at best.

[RadiantCowbells]

Take posties word for it. Its either town or me emulating such. Thinking its outright scummy is 100% wrong.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.6

Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?
-That depends a good deal on where you want to get to.

Accountant

(2): Simoyd, Pants98

Mizzytastic

(2): Meepo, Accountant

Meepo

(1): Postie

innocentvillager

(1): Lycanfire

Pants98

(1): innocentvillager

Not Voting

: Grace, RadiantCowbells

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-06-22 07:25:57)

I am seeking replacements for both

Pants98

and

Meepo

.

[Pants98]

Hi

School just ended. Sorry. Ill post stuff soon.

[Simoyd]

*dramatic pause*

[Lycanfire]

@Lycanfire: What is your read on grace?
@RC: What is your read on grace?

Even if it's just off the top of your head...

Null. I don't like her constant shucks posts-ok this is a newbie game but riding that horse attempts to invoke empathy. If I do that will I be more likely to see her as town? Yes.

I'm at work but in my data I believe she has never interacted with IV (still my tentative top scum choice until I see more) while IV has interacted with her once. Or it's the other way around-I can't access the file.

[Accountant]

Um, that's actually a pretty towny post.

If you're referring to RC's post, why?

I initially thought RC's unvote was bad but seeing after his explanation on wanting to really try when you replaced in is NAI at best.

Because if he was scum he has no reason to unvote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like playing with you Accountant but Postie is probably my #1 favourite person to play mafia with.

She gets certain effort priviledges that you don't

[Accountant]

i have enough jelly to fill a doughnut :'(

[innocentvillager]

Lol, I forgot that you were still tunneling on me. I guess now that I have a bit of time I can respond to your misgivings.

You thought my first post was fine, ignore the premise, tunnel heavily on the meta portion to the point of giving me towncred, and then when I dismiss meta as primary motive you suddenly want to make it about metagaming again.

I never claimed "extensive meta research" on you. I claimed 1 town game of yours to 1 town game of Mizzy's, while skimming through your ISOs of other games to save time. I didn't need to compare a scum game to your town game to call your town game out of character here(to which you somewhat agreed). You were behaving more strangely than Mizzy, and that's why you're the one I placed my vote on. The moment you stopped posting was the moment I thought lean scum was too tame, because while waiting others did not cease accusing each other. Scum aren't in a hurry to contribute here if accused as each new post they aren't involved in offers opportunities. So, what about town? It would be in a townie's interest to make a meaningful post ASAP if they were the one being accused.

Yeah, sorry not sure why I said extensive meta research, the fact that you were relying on it so much made me subconsciously think that it was extensive research. If you've only looked at one game, that's not enough for meta research no matter how you look at it. I would never trust a meta from just one town game and skimming through more town ISOs; I have no idea why you're literally refusing to look at my scumgames. The other thing is, a lot of people don't have the same playstyle game to game especially since posting is done via feelings at the time, so meta honestly only works if you can average it out and conclude overall that a person has a tendency to do X in towngames, and a tendency to do Y in scumgames. So if you find that I seem different from some random town game you ISO'd, here I'll give you a cookie.

In a townie's interest to make a meaningful post ASAP if being accused? You were the only one that had a serious vote on me, so I didn't really care. Scum have a bit more incentive to stay alive than town, so quick defensiveness is a slight scumtell at worst or a nulltell at best. I'm not understanding your logic.

I thought #104 was pretty meaningful, Lyc. Is there any other reason why you think IV is suspicious?

It was. My problem was that between my first post and my post placing him as scum, he didn't make a meaningful one, despite making a few in that time.

Beyond the points in #46/#106, his post #54 I don't find anything else suspicious.

Also, longer defense/attack posts like this take longer and more energy, so even if I made a few "meaningless posts", those probably took much less time even combined.

Accountant, why defend IV so hard when he had an opportunity to do it himself, gave it up and showed up 36 hours later to try? Popular opinion wasn't against IV. Why should you care more than he did, and what was the rush?

Accountant's defense of me, while slightly odd I agree, was completely right. I didn't need to do any more defense of myself when Accountant had given basically the same defense I would've given, why put in the extra time?

[Xalxe]

Harkonnen97

replaces

Meepo

.