New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[zakk]

@ copper because of his posts

[copper223]

That's quite vague, which posts specifically did you like and when did you start town reading him?

[Titus]

I'm completely behind and haven't changed my reads at all, really. I still think anen and copper are definitely scum but I barley have opinions on the other slots.

Talk to me about them then. What do you see?

[Ircher]

Titus, what's your thoughts on Lowell's reaction to the Kop wagon before and after the claim?

[Titus]

@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

Really, we

just finished a game with even/odd,

when scum had even odd roles themselves.

I don't buy two shot commuter. I'm an odd night role.

VOTE: Kop

[Titus]

Titus, what's your thoughts on Lowell's reaction to the Kop wagon before and after the claim?

Getting there. I catch up backwards.

[MagnaofIllusion]

If you are interested in why Magna is scum and you are not Magna let me know, I don't have the time to go back and forth with scum especially when it doesn't seem like town is paying attention to the walls.

Translation - I'm getting my ass handed to me and so I'm going to avoid Town Magna calling me scum and just kill him at Night.

[Egg]

V/LA until Sunday

I go back to work today

[zakk]

@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

Really, we

just finished a game with even/odd,

when scum had even odd roles themselves.

I don't buy two shot commuter. I'm an odd night role.

VOTE: Kop

is that L-1?

[zakk]

Votecount 2.7

The Leaning Tower of Pisa in Italy!

Kop (6) - Expedience, Lowell, Ircher, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu, Aneninen
projectmatt (2) - cytheflyguy, copper223
Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro
copper223 (1) - Nahdia
Aneninen (1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) - Kop
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Liger_zero

Not voting (1) - Egg

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

minus lowell

VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

plus shaziro

So right now I'm thinking Ircher is trying to avoid answering questions, which I hate. I think it would be worth wagoning Kop, because I don't like that Seth's awful scumminess is getting slipped past as "Oh he's just a troll", and if he flips scum I'm going to be looking fairly hard into the people who were trying that excuse to be honest. Kop hasn't done anything that really improves his image to me (Including a roleclaim this early), so
VOTE: Kop

plus shotty

So right now I'm thinking Ircher is trying to avoid answering questions, which I hate. I think it would be worth wagoning Kop, because I don't like that Seth's awful scumminess is getting slipped past as "Oh he's just a troll", and if he flips scum I'm going to be looking fairly hard into the people who were trying that excuse to be honest. Kop hasn't done anything that really improves his image to me (Including a roleclaim this early), so
VOTE: Kop

I can actually see that... sigh
VOTE: kop

minus shaziro

I'm actually uncomfortable with that too...and I think you had a good point with 2290 too.

Also, what copper meant was in the scenario he was presenting, Titus was town. The whole scenario was "if we assume Titus is town", was it not?

UNVOTE:

plus shaziro again

I did. First you tried to avoid answering by shouting "SCUM BUDDY", then you gave an answer with no explanation, then at being pushed even more you tried to just argue that the modifier makes it more likely to be scum. That is very much you avoiding giving an answer, when it takes you that long to give one to a fairly simple question, and could easily be you trying to think up a reason while you stall.

He's voting the same person as you so what's the problem?

Because if something pings me as scummy, I'm going to call it out. If it means they are buzzing, awesome, if it means they are trying to roll with a mislynch, that'll get sorted and stopped if we realize that's their goal, and if not its just more rope to hang them, right? Did I miss some mafia theory thing here?

Also,
VOTE: Kop

plus titus

@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

Really, we

just finished a game with even/odd,

when scum had even odd roles themselves.

I don't buy two shot commuter. I'm an odd night role.

VOTE: Kop

yea that's L-1

[zakk]

nobody hammer

somebody unvote

i wanna re-read kop

please

[Ircher]

Why?
UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.8

The Colosseum in Italy!

Kop (7) - Expedience, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu, Aneninen, drmyshottyizsik, Shaziro, Titus
projectmatt (2) - cytheflyguy, Lowell
MagnaOfIllusion (2) - Liger_zero, copper223
Titus (1) - zakk
copper223 (1) - Nahdia
Aneninen (1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) - Kop

Not voting (2) - Egg, Ircher

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

cytheflyguy is V/LA until June 23
Egg is V/LA until June 19.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

[zakk]

Why?
UNVOTE:

bc i'm not feeling good about this one for some reason

i don't like titus's "counterclaim" and i don't like lowell's switch off the wagon when it was said to be "scum driven"

it feels wrong

[zakk]

nah i isod kop i don't wanna lynch him

he feels town

[zakk]

If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise

this one does stick out to me

but i think the May 04, 2016 explains just about everything we need to know about that

i too assumed every game had a scum team and an SK when i joined

[zakk]

@Seth
If you are hard claiming SK we can use you as a vig and give you brownie points when we win, how about it?

Unfortunately I am not hard claiming SK.

reading VI not scum here

[Nahdia]

yeah im not a big fan of the kop lynch

can we get a counterwagon pls?

[Ircher]

What's the chances of a Lowell wagon?

[Ircher]

Though, I still find that you cant explain everything by being new & a troll & that Kop has done nothing (granted a couple of others have too)

[zakk]

@Seth
so what is it that gives him away as a newbie of the townie variety to you?

You can easily single out newbies from an experienced and everyone can do it.
An experienced knows the concequences of posting in the same way as cytheflyguy, cy posted like that because he doesn't.

this seems like the typical "newbie trying to seem better than another newbie"

which is alignment unindicative but seems town af to me

[Ircher]

Meh, I still think Kop is scum, esp. with the way Lowell got off the wagon.
VOTE: Kop

L-1

[Titus]

yeah im not a big fan of the kop lynch

can we get a counterwagon pls?

*waves* can you give me a gut readslist?

[zakk]

Meh, I still think Kop is scum, esp. with the way Lowell got off the wagon.
VOTE: Kop

L-1

so you think lowell is scum or town?

what do you learn if kop flips scum?
what do you learn if kop flips town?

@nahdia:

titus/lowell pls

[zakk]

What's the chances of a Lowell wagon?

i'm super down

him or titus