New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Liger_Zero]

I have weird thoughts, last few posts in the pt kind of made me think that Magna isn't scum.
I have no clue though, because if Nahdia was one to kill COpper thats all null.

The PT was a lot of attacking each other. Copper and magna calling each other scum.

Copper strongest scumreads were Nahdia and Nos, but they were kind of dependent on each other, which has me worried.

[zakk]

Liger abs magma move to middle section since copper was town

How does coppers alignment affect mine?
That doesn't make any sense.
Especially since he was town. How does that make move from town to null in your list?

you're less likely to be town as well as magna given the flips in the hood so far

[Nahdia]

liger i think there was a lot of setup spec occurring with there being 1 scum in the hood. with copper dead that kinda makes it close in on you two. however, being that copper flipped town, i think it's odd that scum would make that kill if they have a member in the hood. they'd have to know that'd make the walls close in on them, so to speak.

[zakk]

eh. maybe scum planted the idea of there being scum in the hood

who said that first anyway actually

[Nahdia]

if copper was a townvig kill i would appreciate it being claimed. maybe. thoughts on this?

[Nahdia]

eh. maybe scum planted the idea of there being scum in the hood

who said that first anyway actually

dunno, but it's not an unreasonable assumption for anyone to make.

[Liger_Zero]

liger i think there was a lot of setup spec occurring with there being 1 scum in the hood. with copper dead that kinda makes it close in on you two. however, being that copper flipped town, i think it's odd that scum would make that kill if they have a member in the hood. they'd have to know that'd make the walls close in on them, so to speak.

I know there was a lot of setup spec based on hoods, and thats why I was voting magna yesterday cause he was null-scum to me, so I thought if setup spec was accurate he had the highest chances of flipping scum. I am not 100% on that anymore now, tbh.

And i am not basing reads on setup spec, because I don't know the mod at all to do setup spec.

[zakk]

I am not in a hood. Given there's four people in it, the likelihood of scum in it is high (but not a forgone conclusion). If scum are in it, they know the names. So would you tell us who is in there?

surprise surprise

[Liger_Zero]

eh. maybe scum planted the idea of there being scum in the hood

who said that first anyway actually

I believe it was Titus?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger abs magma move to middle section since copper was town

How does coppers alignment affect mine?
That doesn't make any sense.
Especially since he was town. How does that make move from town to null in your list?

you're less likely to be town as well as magna given the flips in the hood so far

eh. maybe scum planted the idea of there being scum in the hood

who said that first anyway actually

I feel like these two posts are weird that they followed each other, but it also could be genuine thought process....

[Nahdia]

zakk's hunting seems pretty genuine to me in all honesty.

[Liger_Zero]

Actually thinking Zakk is town, and he truly believes Titus is scum. Though I don't think Titus is scum. I think I will have to reread her.

[zakk]

I think you should )

[Ircher]

FUCK YEAH! Large game!

VOTE: zakk

shotty, irch... you guys town?

titus? you town finally?

also copper is town.

I'm going to throw this out there and let it marinate. See how well it ages.

magna is scum.

Something about his ISO bothers me. He wrote a lot to just agree with two short posts voting for TBG. He's written a lot about a LOT, but somehow not much. Could be this is just the way he is, but he's looking a little "coachy" to me.

Also townvibes from ETL, lessening townvibes from titus.

He is a very thorough usually.

okay, well, whatever, I'm damned sure not reading back games of someone that verbose. As I said.... consider, and come make this happen when we're done LOLhammering newbs*.


* in related news, I also plan to LOLhammer newbs.**

** but not seth. despite the sk claim (?) that guy is newbtown.

@Magna, IMMA HAMMER NEWBS!

liger is clearly town. one thing that hits me the wrong way:

liger says there's a neighborhood
titus says omg who b i bet theres at least one scum
liger says pers and magna
pers votes magna

Not a good look for pers there.

Is zakk scum, btw? I'm really asking. bc damn I do not know.

@copp and zakk, ya'll ain't lynching me. move along.

VOTE: cytheflyguy

I think this is scum. Looked through his ISO and I can't get a read that says town. And that vote seems more opportunistic than a genuine vote.

Here's an opportunistic vote. And whoa do I know opportunistic votes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kop

Still happy to vote zakk if we can. But since it's going nowhere, here's another idea. This reads very much like "shit who can I find who is a plausible vote, but not a current bandwagon, and isn't likely to come back at me." Even the way it is worded "I can't get a read that says town" is equivocal as whoa. It looks vaguely like coaching, but I don't think it is. I think just kop is scum.

hey the kop wagon is actually happening. I'm a trend-setter. You're welcome, world.

At work atm so got a spare 2 minutes.

Lets put a stop to this waste of time wagon. I am a 2 shot commuter. I did not commute last night.

Oh I didn't see this. This is going to be dumb question for someone who has been around for over a decade, but what's a commuter?

VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

And why is this town indicative? Quite the opp -- Town would prefer not to get nk'd whereas scum will make their fakeclaim obvious so they can use it as a "Get out of jail free" card.

What I'm saying is I've definitely leaned on a claim as town but haven't done it as scum. As scum it's more of a desperation move. So I see this as more of a town move. As though he looked at his role and thought "ah, okay, well I won't have to try very hard at first if I don't want to." But yes I get that this is WIFOMy, so sure, feel free to disagree.

VOTE: kop

LOLHAMMER!

This day has gone on too long, and I am thirsty for blood. No one wanting to drop the hammer here makes me think we're on the right lynch. I don't know that titus' quasi-claim precludes a 2-shot role, but I am convinced by the argument that as town kop's claim is relatively useless but as scum it's very very powerful. So sit back and let's enjoy.

I'm also not so worried about a wagon being "scum driven." If this is indeed mulitball as it seems, scum are equally searching for scummy players, so I'm less inclined to believe it's in anyone's interest to push "obvtown" wagons. That gives the votes a little more heft.

tl;dr-- kop has been basically useless, and his role is useless as town and powerful as scum.... so let's DO THIS!!

WooooOOOOOOO time to bask in the glory of the many many accolades coming my way. zakk, you start?

Lest both scumgroups attack me and I die a thousand hilarious deaths, my top scumreads are projectmatt and anen, with my top townleans as zakk, cy, and nahdia.

[Ircher]

@Zakk - I strongly prefer Lowell.

[Nahdia]

looking back at Seth. i felt he was town, but now that i KNOW he was im curious about who was quick to jump on him when he did his weird shenanigans. scum will often be quick to jump on what they feel is a "justified" wagon. fiirst person i see is Ircher who i do recall having as a scumread so

VOTE: Ircher

[zakk]

yeah ok. lowell definitely seems self aware enough to go for the "no scum would be stupid enough to do this therefore it'll look town" angle on the lolhammer

Spoiler:

also i just realized i must talk about lava and stomach muscles quite a fair bit if the phrase "liger and magna" was changed to "liger abs magma" hahahaha #autocorrREKT

[zakk]

pedit nahdia no i want titus or lowell first please and thank you

[Ircher]

looking back at Seth. i felt he was town, but now that i KNOW he was im curious about who was quick to jump on him when he did his weird shenanigans. scum will often be quick to jump on what they feel is a "justified" wagon. fiirst person i see is Ircher who i do recall having as a scumread so

VOTE: Ircher

I was the main proponent of the Kop wagon, yes. (The other being Magna.)

But, to call it scummy for me to push a wagon is stupid.

[Shaziro]

Bugger it, I've got some tea in myself so I'm a bit more awake. I feel like I was sheeping too much, and now I know that at least one person I was fairly ok with following was scum. I think Seth's slot may well be town, because of the blow-up at Anen. It didn't seem fake, but I assumed it was mad scum yelling at town. I want to hear from Lowell about why he's playing dumb like that when I believe somebody said he's been around for quite a while and therefore should know better. I've been around for a very short time, but I still know that self-proclaimed "lolhammer"s are awful. Also, I want to see something from earlier...another quick post incoming, once I match a name to a quote.

[Shaziro]

Yeah, so someone should vig Copper prob. if we don't lynch him.

Here's the quote. So this is you suggesting that somebody should off Copper, and he flipped town tonight. You were wrong, and were directing PRs to an incorrect target. The reason, I assume, was that I brought up that he never did the "If Titus is scum" half of his big analysis thing. That is what he agreed was bad just before painting a target on copper. Now, Copper may've been a scum kill and he may have been a town kill, we don't know. But we do know that Ircher put the target there. What's up with that, Ircher?

[Nahdia]

I think Seth's slot may well be town

Seth's slot was Kop.

[Shaziro]

...D'oh

Can you tell it's been a long day yet?

[Liger_Zero]

I am really thinking of voting Nahdia.

[Nahdia]

Be my guest.