New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Shaziro]

And that makes me think Zakk might be town. Because he was dead on the money if that is right. I definitely sheeped too much, partly because of being intimidated by the size of the thread, partly because I was busy in other things. Let's fix that. Soon as I get a VC, I'll drop a vote somewhere, and we can kick into high gear.

[Titus]

Alright so looking back at Titus and Ircher's interactions, I could see that being distancing. It looks like Ircher was going along with Titus, and Titus didn't mind and was defending Ircher, but the moment somebody mentioned it Titus switched into hardcore "NOPE DEFINITELY NOT LINKED TO THIS PERSON SHHHHH" mode. Ircher tried to explain things, and Titus slammed on the gas again. Even with daytalk, I can see them definitely wanting to show everybody that distance between them and drive a hard wedge in that thought. That's not looking good. Ircher, the scum motivation for directing town PRs to a town target would be eliminating town, and eliminating the odds that a town PR kills you or your scumbuddy. That should be blatantly obvious to you, and asking me to "show you the scum motivation" in that is ridiculous. What's the current Vote Count looking like?

This is non-sense. The whole "coaching" thing is absurd.

It also depends on Ircher being scum, yet big shock no one is pushing Ircher is scum.

This boils down to Titus is defending her townreads, so let's spam the thread with that so Titus doesn't have enough time/energy to look at the votes.

[Shaziro]

You're assuming that I'm going to vote -you-, and not the person that I have been talking about so far. That's just defensiveness. I also didn't say you were coaching, I said he was sheeping you and you defended him. Those are objectively true things that happened. It is also objectively true that, after people brought it up, you started distancing hard, telling him to do his own thing. We know that scum had daytalk, so you wouldn't have to be coaching him. But he would be following you, and you defending him, if you were coaching him in a daytalking PT. Which is exactly what we've seen.

[Ircher]

Alright so looking back at Titus and Ircher's interactions, I could see that being distancing. It looks like Ircher was going along with Titus, and Titus didn't mind and was defending Ircher, but the moment somebody mentioned it Titus switched into hardcore "NOPE DEFINITELY NOT LINKED TO THIS PERSON SHHHHH" mode. Ircher tried to explain things, and Titus slammed on the gas again. Even with daytalk, I can see them definitely wanting to show everybody that distance between them and drive a hard wedge in that thought. That's not looking good. Ircher, the scum motivation for directing town PRs to a town target would be eliminating town, and eliminating the odds that a town PR kills you or your scumbuddy. That should be blatantly obvious to you, and asking me to "show you the scum motivation" in that is ridiculous. What's the current Vote Count looking like?

That requires me to know Copper was town in the first place.

Again, prove that I knew Copper was town before making faulty conclusions.

[Ircher]

Yeah, definitely could lynch Shaz too.

[Shaziro]

If you are scum, then you know that they are not alligned with you. This means they are either scum that wants you dead if multiball, or town. Given the number of kills, I believe we're assuming multiball (multiball being scum vs scum vs town or scum vs SK vs town etc, right?). Either way, if you are scum, you know that they aren't on your side, and want them dead.

[Titus]

Alright so looking back at Titus and Ircher's interactions, I could see that being distancing. It looks like Ircher was going along with Titus, and Titus didn't mind and was defending Ircher, but the moment somebody mentioned it Titus switched into hardcore "NOPE DEFINITELY NOT LINKED TO THIS PERSON SHHHHH" mode. Ircher tried to explain things, and Titus slammed on the gas again. Even with daytalk, I can see them definitely wanting to show everybody that distance between them and drive a hard wedge in that thought. That's not looking good. Ircher, the scum motivation for directing town PRs to a town target would be eliminating town, and eliminating the odds that a town PR kills you or your scumbuddy. That should be blatantly obvious to you, and asking me to "show you the scum motivation" in that is ridiculous. What's the current Vote Count looking like?

That requires me to know Copper was town in the first place.

Again, prove that I knew Copper was town before making faulty conclusions.

If you're scum, you would have known Copper was town

[Titus]

Yeah, definitely could lynch Shaz too.

Nope. Won't do that as long as Shaz doesn't do anything inconsistent with my role read on them.

[Ircher]

If you are scum, then you know that they are not alligned with you. This means they are either scum that wants you dead if multiball, or town. Given the number of kills, I believe we're assuming multiball (multiball being scum vs scum vs town or scum vs SK vs town etc, right?). Either way, if you are scum, you know that they aren't on your side, and want them dead.

Key part here is "If you are scum" -- Explain why you think I'm scum.

[Shaziro]

Because I can't see any good town motivation for the way you acted.

[Ircher]

How about cuz I scumread them (Shockers)?

[Egg]

Way too tired, sorry. Went golfing. Thought I'd be home before midnight at least. Thought wrong.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Back from V/LA ...

I need to do a hard reset on my reads. Clearly they've been pretty smelly so far. Luckily we have a Mafia flip in Anen so I am going run MoiPuter and see what a good pool of candidates to review closer is.

[Ircher]

Hrm..... Will wait for reviews and perhaps compile the Lowell case

[MagnaofIllusion]

Summary of the Neighborhood QT -

Basically it was dead. Copper and I continued to snipe at each other. Liger showed up late, basically told us to keep it in the main thread and didn't really provide any thoughts himself which struck me as odd given his hard-on that my Night 1 activity was scummy when I was clearly V/LA. I still have reasons to lean that he's Town but I want to see what the Moiputer comes up with.

[Lowell]

*pulls hair out* These flips.

Will read up tonight/early morning.

Looks a bit like crocodile tears here. OMG U GUYZ IM SO MAD UGH WE LOST SO MANY TOWN O MAN.

Thoughts on Lowell's fast hammer before we could discuss the my modifier based CC?

You asking permission?

Hrm..... Will wait for reviews and perhaps compile the Lowell case

You asking Titus' permission?

This has been pointed out before (by shaz I think? to lazy to look back), but I'm starting to see the link between titus and irch. At very least they're both trying to feel around to see what kind of traction they can get on me before they actually commit to facing my wrath.

[Lowell]

preemptive defense: LOLHAMMERs are great and those who do them are great.

[drmyshottyizsik]

preemptive defense: LOLHAMMERs are great and those who do them are great.

I am DrMyShottyIzSik and I approve this message.

Brought to you by the ad council and the foundation for a better lolhammer.

[Ircher]

preemptive defense: LOLHAMMERs are great and those who do them are great.

preemptive defense: LOLHAMMERs are great and those who do them are great.

I am DrMyShottyIzSik and I approve this message.

Brought to you by the ad council and the foundation for a better lolhammer.

1) Not a defense
2) Katsuki lolhammered and was wrong. Still salty about that.
3) I hate lolhammers without good reasons. (Backtracking & rehashing & distancing from wagons are not valid reasons for lolhammering)

[Ircher]

*pulls hair out* These flips.

Will read up tonight/early morning.

Looks a bit like crocodile tears here. OMG U GUYZ IM SO MAD UGH WE LOST SO MANY TOWN O MAN.

Thoughts on Lowell's fast hammer before we could discuss the my modifier based CC?

You asking permission?

Hrm..... Will wait for reviews and perhaps compile the Lowell case

You asking Titus' permission?

This has been pointed out before (by shaz I think? to lazy to look back), but I'm starting to see the link between titus and irch. At very least they're both trying to feel around to see what kind of traction they can get on me before they actually commit to facing my wrath.

Way to misrepresent what prople said.
VOTE: Lowell - Shotty - Bus Lowell and we may give you some towncred

[zakk]

[drmyshottyizsik]

If I were scum I would have already made them bus me so I can gets my title

[Lowell]

I've thought about it and I'm going to give this game a punch in the arm with an unsolicited claim.

I am a 2-shot vigilate

I killed KTS on night one and Anen on night two

. KTS I killed because he was the second-leading wagon and I felt like if he had lived we'd have just fought the same battle in D2 as we did in D1 and he probably would have been lynched anyway. Also I figured scum weren't going to kill him for that same reason. I was on the fence on him. I had some slightly stronger reads, but no one I was so confident in that I couldn't pass up. This kill was of debatable quality, but I mostly still think it was an okay play. I killed Anen for various reasons I don't need to dwell on, but mostly I felt he was coasting and a bit too polished. He had already talked his way out of a (minor) wagon, so I was worried we had missed our chance to lynch him.


I'm claiming for a couple of reasons. Mostly, scum have been shitty shitty scumhunters and I want to narrow the field to help them do our job for us. Now that I'm VT I don't think I'll be a target. Also if there's a doc they're probably like "wtf do I do right now" with the field this scumheavy, so I figured I'd present myself as an option (just an OPTION, I say!) if needed. If we're dealing with one big scumgroup and an SK, well maybe I shouldn't have done this, but even so I doubt I'll be the target.

Also, on the Kop hammer. While I quite obviously believed the 2-shot nature of the claim, part of me wondered whether it wasn't created in some sort of balance to a 2-shot vig kill. I still was only 50-50 at best, but it's the reason I talked myself into thinking he was scum. Also, and more importantly, I really really REALLY like LOLHAMMERs.

[zakk]

alright so 3 things

first, i'm inclined to believe you

second, if you were 2-shot, why didn't you claim then? that could very well have saved his life, and there was no way scum could have stopped your second shot, you'd have just died while getting your second shot off

and third, what do you think of titus's 'counter-claim' now in light of the fact?

[zakk]

okay one more thing. thanks for killing both those people. hahahaha