Newbie 1715 (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

Final Vote Count - Day 1

tojam2

(5):

SirCakez

,

Dwlee99

,

crazycrabman

,

Dragon of the West

,

atm487

Creature

(1):

LicketyQuickety

No Vote (3):

Creature

,

eagerSnake

,

tojam2

tojam2,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched!

It is now Night 1. The deadline is Saturday, June 18, at 4:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-06-18 16:00:00).

Look at how perfect this vote count looks

[Dwlee99]

Okayyy? 24 hours is how much patience I would have if not less.

[Dwlee99]

Not to mention your cop posturing really bothered me

[LicketyQuickety]

Not to mention your cop posturing really bothered me

Thanks for that.

[Dwlee99]

Uhh you're welcome?

[LicketyQuickety]

Uhh you're welcome?

This is going to be unbelievable after I flip. You don't see that do you?

[Dwlee99]

If you flip town I will never play a newbie again unless it is to play with a specific person, happy? (Little did they know that is the way I do it anyway)

[Dwlee99]

Still not sure why you're reaching out to me and saying things like "this is going to be unbelievable when I flip town" when I am your biggest scum read? (Not counting crazy obvi)

[LicketyQuickety]

Still not sure why you're reaching out to me and saying things like "this is going to be unbelievable when I flip town" when I am your biggest scum read? (Not counting crazy obvi)

LOL. Its just going to be funny after my flip. Ofc your my strongest Scum read after crazy, silly.

[Dragon of the West]

You guys are not thinking. There is no reason for Town!crazy to come out as Cop here. Look at the time he did this. He didn't do it strait off the bat and did it shortly after he made his case on me, which was debunked by Dwlee.

There is plenty of reason. If it becomes a 3 v 1 with us pointed in a good direction of a scum partner then that's a win. Can you please quote the "debunking" Dwlee did on his case. I just reread his case and couldn't find anything of Dwlee's debunking it. Although I do acknowledge scum!ccm would gain a 3 v 2 -> a lynch of ccm and NK -> 2 v 1 LYLO. It wouldn't make sense for ccm to be the partner to do this, though. He's being town read more than anyone else is the game so why make him the scum to fake a claim? If his partner had claimed and got you lynched, they could get to a LYLO where both town left are town reading ccm leading to an easy hammer and win.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is a little too cavalier for my liking. I think NKA CAN be done, but prolly no one in this game can do it properly, I know I sure as hell can't.

Dwlee hasn't seen any pressure really this whole game, which is why I think they are acting cavalier. He is just kinda going with the flow a little too much for my taste.

VOTE: Dwlee

I was actually trying to restrain the urge to just respond with "lol" and actually post ic-like information about nka and its shortcomings.
On your point against me for acting cavalier (hey I learned a new word!), you would probably say I was scum if I had a reaction as well, so I don't see that as a valid argument. To rephrase, if I was defensive you would say I was scum for it, but at the same time you are pushing me for doing the opposite. Not logical.

I don't think defensiveness is always a Scum thing to do. You are assuming what my stance is on defensiveness which you are wrong about. You played a hand in tojams lynch and especially how early the lynch came. We had little reason to end day that early looking back on it in hindsight, which I tried to get across at the time. People didn't listen to me (not a rare occurrence actually), but I was actually right that ending day that early was the wrong play. Pretty much all Scum hunting stopped once it was decided that we were going to end day a week short.

How people react to pressure isn't alignment indicative when you see it from just the perspective of defensive / cavalier.
Okay I wanted to lynch my top scum read who was being scummy deadweight after I saw a distinct difference in his play between college mafia and this game? A lot of people played a part in tojam's lynch, it's about who's push was fake and who's push was them actually scum reading tojam that matters. I have already explained why waiting to lynch there did not make any sense, we decided upon a person we were near certain was scum, who claimed vt, and was being useless. Waiting to hammer just stalls the game. No the scum hunting did not stop, you're wrong.

I can go back a quote it if you want, but you were the strongest person for ending day that early. If Scum hunting was still happening, then there is no reason to end day early. Consider that tojam flipped Town, that says that there was almost certainly Scum on his lynch. I have a high suspicion of you because you have not backed up your reads with much evidence and, lets face it, you kinda piggybacked on the tojam lynch after Cakez made the initial pressure on them.

By piggybacking you mean

exactly

what you are doing right now? Although yours falls more on the side of bandwagoning but meh.

I am pretty sure I am NOT doing that because I am giving legitimate reasons for my Scum read on you. As far as I can tell I am really the only one putting pressure on you and I think you are feeling a bit hot under the collar right now.

Reads List:

Town:
crazycrabman
Creature

Town Lean:
eagerSnakes

Null:
atm487
DotW

Scum Lean:
Dwlee

I am convinced Dwlee is not scum. He is not acting in the way a scum would act. Scum wouldn't push so hard on another person, in this instance tojam.

I believe dwlee honestly believed tojam was scum.

Virtually everyone did except for LQ, who would know who is town and who's not.

I'm not convinced Dwlee is not Scum. You need to say how Scum!Dwlee would act differently, not just say you don't think they are not acting like Scum. And stop saying "Scum wouldn't do X". There are very few absolutes in this game.

I don't agree that because I had an inactive IC as Null means I knew they were Town. There were almost certainly Scum on tojams wagon. A wagon like that doesn't get formed without Scum influencing it.

In bold: you can believe that, but you will have to back that up.

His case was bad because he would have to come up with reasons to get you lynched if he didn't want to come out as cop. His play makes a ton of sense imo.

No it doesn't he came out as Cop withing 24 hours of Day 2.

Not to mention your cop posturing really bothered me

Thanks for that.

Uhh you're welcome?

This is going to be unbelievable after I flip. You don't see that do you?

This makes no sense
Pedit that was a reach out to me lq lmao

[Dwlee99]

You guys are not thinking. There is no reason for Town!crazy to come out as Cop here. Look at the time he did this. He didn't do it strait off the bat and did it shortly after he made his case on me, which was debunked by Dwlee.

There is plenty of reason. If it becomes a 3 v 1 with us pointed in a good direction of a scum partner then that's a win. Can you please quote the "debunking" Dwlee did on his case. I just reread his case and couldn't find anything of Dwlee's debunking it. Although I do acknowledge scum!ccm would gain a 3 v 2 -> a lynch of ccm and NK -> 2 v 1 LYLO. It wouldn't make sense for ccm to be the partner to do this, though. He's being town read more than anyone else is the game so why make him the scum to fake a claim? If his partner had claimed and got you lynched, they could get to a LYLO where both town left are town reading ccm leading to an easy hammer and win.

Iirc my "debunking" was saying NKA is stupid lol

[atm487]

ok so why am i being accused of scum, is it because you all say im scum lean. to be fair im only trying to see who is being accused and if their arguement is solid.

[eagerSnake]

Give it up LQ, you might as well just tell us who your buddy is.

[eagerSnake]

Dwlee99s recent posts strike town for me (I've heard someone else say that before, I think it was creature, leading me to also reaffirm my belief of Creature being town as well) which leads me to trust him on this atm487 being scum thing, gotta look into this more..

[eagerSnake]

Idk though, Dwlee99, atm487 just doesn't strike me as scum... seems like all the evidence is just coincidental/circumstantial evidence.. I could be wrong though as I'm still tired, drinking my coffee still as I read these posts lol

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 2.4

LicketyQuickety (2):

crazycrabman, eagerSnake

Creature (1):

atm487

crazycrabman (1):

LicketyQuickety

No Vote (2):

Creature, Dragon of the West, Dwlee99

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 4:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-07-02 16:00:00).

[crazycrabman]

I'm back! So I believe Dwlee already mentioned it but the reason I made the attack on LQ after the night is because I pretty much had no patience and I used everything I had to attack LQ, which was not a lot. So the only way I could really attack LQ was with the NK, so it was a pretty rushed argument.

[eagerSnake]

If we lynch LQ and he is Mafia Goon, then could a roleblocker still roleblock AND kill if he is the only mafia member left alive?

[eagerSnake]

CCM why did you not investigate me if you are sure I'm scum?

[crazycrabman]

I'm not sure you're scum. You're one of my possibilities for LQ's partner. I'm becoming a little less sure that you are because I doubt you would attack LQ so hard with only a few votes in. I didn't investigate you because I wanted to clear all doubt from my mind that LQ was scum. With that in mind, I could focus my efforts on Dwlee, who I was pretty sure would be scum after tojam flipped town.

[crazycrabman]

If we lynch LQ and he is Mafia Goon, then could a roleblocker still roleblock AND kill if he is the only mafia member left alive?

I believe so.

[eagerSnake]

I'm not sure you're scum. You're one of my possibilities for LQ's partner. I'm becoming a little less sure that you are because I doubt you would attack LQ so hard with only a few votes in. I didn't investigate you because I wanted to clear all doubt from my mind that LQ was scum. With that in mind, I could focus my efforts on Dwlee, who I was pretty sure would be scum after tojam flipped town.

I posted my whole board about possibilities yesterday but i'll quote it again.

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

CCM.. you had me as the only scumlean if tojam turned town.. and also as scumlean if tojam was scum.. scumlean on both... you must've been sure I was sucm.

[crazycrabman]

I'm not sure you're scum. You're one of my possibilities for LQ's partner. I'm becoming a little less sure that you are because I doubt you would attack LQ so hard with only a few votes in. I didn't investigate you because I wanted to clear all doubt from my mind that LQ was scum. With that in mind, I could focus my efforts on Dwlee, who I was pretty sure would be scum after tojam flipped town.

I posted my whole board about possibilities yesterday but i'll quote it again.

Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.

CCM.. you had me as the only scumlean if tojam turned town.. and also as scumlean if tojam was scum.. scumlean on both... you must've been sure I was sucm.

Yeah, I honestly had no idea who was what if Tojam turned town. Just because I have you in scumlean doesn't mean I know you are scum. It just means, out of all the possibilities, I give you a 5% or greater chance of being scum. You were right about at the 10% mark. If this is about why I investigated LQ, I believe I already stated that.

[crazycrabman]

Scumlean on both holds no bearing on anything because they are two separate possibilities. You gave me a scummy vibe day 1 and i put you in the scumlean for both because tojam's orientation didn't change anything for you.