New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Titus]

Christ alive, Ircher, I've made it very clear that it is bad for town for me to explain it. You're either scum who actively wants town to suffer, or just a VI who can't accept that he's wrong. Either way, I'm not explaining more than I already have, so stop fishing.

Then why didn't you correct me when I obviously thought you were a jailkeeper?

I am not letting this go. You said you had ~reasons~ to believe I went nowhere and was town. That strongly suggests jailkeeper.

Your responses to when I said you were doubt casting Lowell were that "Healy or roleblockey" roles might protect Lowell, again insinuating that you could heal or roleblock.

Yet, now you're pretending you never blocked me.

[Ircher]

You've decided I was claiming a role. I've made it clear that no, that's not what I was doing. You're refusing to believe that for no other reason than what appears to be an inability to accept that your assumption was wrong. I'm done with this. Vote me if you want, hell, make an actual case and you can lynch me, but I'm not elaborating more. When I've made it clear that it'd be bad for town and you're still pushing it, I'm done trying.

Gove a list of other things those reasons could be that would be bad to have outed as town.

[Shaziro]

Clearly, Titus, it wasn't obvious to me. Again, I'm done here. The two of you are either just absolutely refusing to accept that you're wrong by a mile, or you're trying to get any information you can for your scumbuddies. I'm done.

[Ircher]

Regardless, I want to know what other sorts of reasons could be bad for town if outed.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Shaz and I talking about his jailkeep claim - Real close attention to the last two.

Why did it seem like a reaction test to you?

As Ircher said, the way you phrased it, asking what their reaction would be. It seemed to be more of a "Hey, this is just me getting a feel for what people are thinking of me while also waiting to see who runs with the assumption" kind of thing.

Who said anything on validation? Suggesting information can generate reads.

What do you think I am getting from my reaction test?

I think you were waiting for somebody to take that as an assumption that you were the vigilante and act differently towards you because of it, which is why I said "Interesting" about it being assumed that you were claiming it there.

If it is, don't out reaction tests. That generally ruins them.

I didn't say anything about it at the time, just like I didn't with the fakehammer earlier. Is it still too early to call it a reaction test when it was that long ago? I don't think you're really going to get any more reactions to it, and if it was a reaction test doesn't it benefit town to have them now know what it was and therefore be able to look at the reactions with that knowledge in mind?

@Shaziro, I am pretty sure the fake hammer ran its course.

It was the one thing that made me doubt a Persivul lynch. No one seemed to be paying attention to the game.

Also, do you think I am the vig Shaziro?

No.

No.

Why not?

No.

Why not?

Two reasons, the first of which is that I don't feel like you'd claim like that. The second is for ~reasons~ that would be bad for town to be outed atm.

Do you think I messed up your reaction test by mentioning it too early, and if so is that just in this one case or was that too fast in general?

I'll explain post game.

P.S. The hood is odd.

Join me on Zakk?

My problem with the Zakk vote is that I don't like that Shotty is on it, as I'm not really liking Shotty for town this game.

Ok, doe, as of NOW I am going to try to take this game seriously lol.

I only have one real reason why I'm voting Titus, but I feel it's an important one: She is too much in a leadership position for two people to be killed by non town to kill her. The only way I can reasonably see that she is town is if someone attacked her, but they were either roleblocked, she had a bulletproof vest on, or the doctor healed her.

Edit @Shaziro Ye, Ik. That is what I'm doing now! NYEH HEH HEH

I'm not here to defend Titus, but I have reason to believe that isn't a concern, Cy.

You get the picture that Shaz knows that I couldn't have gone anywhere Night 1. He implies this repeatedly.

Yet, now his tune is that he acts as if I could get "another use" of my ability.

He's crumbed this through multiple places.

[zakk]

here's a perfect example of you taking one "solution" and running with it

maybe he knows you're not a vig (and yet is not a jailkeeper) because:
maybe he's a vigilante himself
maybe he blocked (not jailed) you
maybe he tracked you nowhere
maybe he tracked you to someone, and they're not
maybe he tracked someone else to you, and you're not dead, and he assumes they blocked or jailed you

either way, you're trying to out him because...?

there is no pro-town reason.

you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing, and you aren't even being timid about it




it's time for titus to die.

[zakk]

#VOTE

TITUS

2016

[Ircher]

here's a perfect example of you taking one "solution" and running with it

maybe he knows you're not a vig (and yet is not a jailkeeper) because:
maybe he's a vigilante himself
maybe he blocked (not jailed) you
maybe he tracked you nowhere
maybe he tracked you to someone, and they're not
maybe he tracked someone else to you, and you're not dead, and he assumes they blocked or jailed you

either way, you're trying to out him because...?

there is no pro-town reason.

you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing, and you aren't even being timid about it




it's time for titus to die.

He explicitly claimed not JK/RB and strongly implied not PR.

[Ircher]

Give a list of non-PR related reasons.

[zakk]

he's a VT and he's reaction testing
he'a a VT and has no idea what he's talking about
he's a VT and titus is implying shit to make him look like a PR
he's a VT and titus is rolefishing to see if he's a VT or not
he's a VT and he's trolling

[projectmatt]

Ok content really soon, maybe tonight actually. My super long work week is over!

[Ircher]

1) Didn't look like it in this instance
2) Possible, but that's a WIFOM argument
3) His ~reasons~ suggests otherwise. Maybe he didn't put the two together (I didn't til Titus mentioned it recently), but I would say it's fair to assume it as a pr breadcrumb
4) He's the one who volunteered ~reasons~; Titus was just scumhunting, not role-fishing
5) Again, possible but WIFOM

1,3,4 are unlikely imo and Shaz imo should've said so already if it's 2 or 5.

I appreciate your willingness to cooperate though.

[Titus]

@Zakk, Why are you defending Zakk's blatant miscrumbing/lies? Is he important to your team?

1) There's zero chance Shaz is fake crumbing as a reaction east. The dude barely knows about reaction tests and how to handle them.
2) The crumbs clearly state he knows I went nowhere and no one tried to attack me (particularly the Cy interaction)
3) Again, this is throw mud at Titus when scumhunting. His actions clearly claim knowledge.
4) Highlighting inconsistent statements isn't role fishing.
5) The dude doesn't have a troll personality, as evidence by his asking me if he was interrupting my reaction test.

[Ircher]

So, Shaz-Zakk-??? team

And who else? Perhaps pmatt, he hasn't been very useful tbh.

[zakk]

@Zakk, Why are you defending Zakk's blatant miscrumbing/lies? Is he important to your team?

tbh

he's probably the most important person on it

[zakk]

hehe ooooooooh you meant shaz

i think he's a lot less likely to be scum than i thought based on D2 play of his + his handling of your pressure, tbh

so even though he might not be that important (or importnt at all, tbh) he's probably much more likely to be town, and therefore worth defending. i'll defend anyone i think is getting a bad rap as town without a second thought


and you KNOW THIS.



also

you currently sound like a (scummy) little child stamping your feet and being like

"zakk is foiling my scumhuntinggggggg by pointing out logical fallaciessssss UGH"

[zakk]

i'm sitting at a wine bar laughing my head off
everyone is looking at me like "huh" or "dude youve had too much go home"


on that note.
i should probably go home soon

before i DO get drunk.



one more flatbread pizza

[zakk]

So, Shaz-Zakk-??? team

And who else? Perhaps pmatt, he hasn't been very useful tbh.

if you are town


you need to get your head out of your ass


1. usefulness =/= towniness, that says nothing about pmatt
2. people linking themselves publicly doesn't mean they're automagically scum together because titus suggested it
3. titus is REALLY REALLY BAD at mafia (i know this for a fact now)
4. would the ??? not be aneninen? you know, the flipped scum?
5. i'm really liking this list and i dont want to stop it yet
6. aaaand, it's lost its charm. i'm done.

[Nahdia]

good posting from mafiascumdotnet user zakk, itt.

[Titus]

Nahdia, your definition of good posting is very different from mine.

[Nahdia]

dude makes me laugh, yo.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't have much to comment as of lately. Been busy.
I would be okay with a Ircher wagon as of lately reading his posts.

[Titus]

Funny is NAI though.

[Shaziro]

I don't have much to comment as of lately. Been busy.
I would be okay with a Ircher wagon as of lately reading his posts.

Elaborate on this when you get the time please, hoping to see something new rather than repetition of stated reasons, even if it's just pointing out tone.

[Egg]

Well the good news is once I get caught up, I should stay caught up. This thread isn't going crazy anymore