Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would an accountant townflip make you scumread me?

[snoe]

Vtown: {Grace}
Towny: {Postie, Harkonnen}
Nulltown: {IV}
Nullscum: {Simoyd, Lycanfire}
Scummy: {Snoe, Accountant}

Snoe, what do you think about my reads?

My big disagreements are
1) Me (Pants/snoe)
2) Postie/Mizz
3) Accountant
I can see a soft scum read on Sim and Lycan. IV is pissing me off, but since he was already scumreading my slot I guess it's semi-fair.

So RC - what's so scummy about Accountant?

[Postie]

Stuff like this. I don't like the approach to the game.

I can write it off as a playstyle dislike thing for now though.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but what would Simoyd have to gain from playing up his newbieness? And it doesn't strike me as the kind of thing a newbie would think to do anyway. I remember being accused of playing up my newbieness as a newbie so I think that that kind of play is just something some newbies slip into sometimes.

[RadiantCowbells]

Snoe, map out your read progression on Accountant from game start please.

[Simoyd]

Why would an accountant townflip make you scumread me?

You were shitting on him really hard without communicating your justification. Everything you said for the first while was basically "I vote accountant" over and over. Not sure how this is different from pants getting his free ride, other than that you're associated with accountant. My understanding is that getting a free ride is a scum tell. This would let town fight and lynch each other.

[RadiantCowbells]

I 'got a free ride' because I was V/LA and people townread my playstyle.

Pants didn't get a free ride at all and was in fact heavily scumread.

I'm not following you.

[snoe]

Snoe, map out your read progression on Accountant from game start please.

Really? I can give this a shot tomorrow morning, but I would like to know WHY you're asking for it.
The off-the-top-of-my-head version is that I had serious issues with Acct's play early in the game, but these issues were not alignment indicative overall. There have been some posts that read as unnatural to me, but by and large Acct is playing as I would expect as town. The problems are with the exceptions.
I can try to map it out tomorrow morning. I am guessing you won't give your acct=scum case until I do?

[snoe]

Why would an accountant townflip make you scumread me?

You were shitting on him really hard without communicating your justification. Everything you said for the first while was basically "I vote accountant" over and over. Not sure how this is different from pants getting his free ride, other than that you're associated with accountant. My understanding is that getting a free ride is a scum tell. This would let town fight and lynch each other.

I 'got a free ride' because I was V/LA and people townread my playstyle.

Pants didn't get a free ride at all and was in fact heavily scumread.

I'm not following you.

Not liking how RC turns Sim's question onto Pants. RC also turned my question about RC's read of Acct back on to me.
Seniority =\= authority unless you earn it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I assure you, I've earned it.

[Postie]

Humble as always.

[Simoyd]

I 'got a free ride' because I was V/LA and people townread my playstyle.

I don't think it matters why... You agree that you were getting a free ride...

Pants didn't get a free ride at all and was in fact heavily scumread.

My understanding is the lack of posting is the biggest tell on him. Yes he did that L-1 and yes his shit was shallow, but he ended up getting replaced so I think that all seems NAI because he could have just not been reading carefully/completely. That being said, the consensus was not to lynch pants today. How is that not a free ride?

[snoe]

Snoe, map out your read progression on Accountant from game start please.

Really? I can give this a shot tomorrow morning, but I would like to know WHY you're asking for it.
The off-the-top-of-my-head version is that I had serious issues with Acct's play early in the game, but these issues were not alignment indicative overall. There have been some posts that read as unnatural to me, but by and large Acct is playing as I would expect as town. The problems are with the exceptions.
I can try to map it out tomorrow morning. I am guessing you won't give your acct=scum case until I do?

The appeal to authority is ... something I should've expected.
Let me know if I should actually spend time on the map you requested, RC.
And if you'll answer my request.

[Accountant]

Don't have much time on the computer - RC and snoe are scummy, Lycan and IV are TvT. Simoyd is scumlean, rest are null or townlean. Postie isn't doing as much as I thought she would with her strong entrance

[RadiantCowbells]

You should, because if you don't I will vote you instead today.

[Accountant]

You should, because if you don't I will vote you instead today.

Bussing scum

[RadiantCowbells]

You should help me bus then.

[Pants98]

Ugh...... I messed up. I'll try to be more active. Reads soon.

[RadiantCowbells]

You are replaced. please don't post again.

[Pants98]

So I leave for two days and I'm replaced? That isn't how it works.

[Pants98]

I only would've gotten a prod, which I didn't.

[RadiantCowbells]

You produced 0 content over 9 days.

I don't think replacing you is at all unreasonable.

[Pants98]

It is when you don't provide any form of notification.

[Simoyd]

I'm baffled at why Lycan is not getting shitstormed by you guys. Can just one of you, even one of you just be like "hey IV, your case is full of shit and here's why: *makes intelligent case on why IV is full of shit and Lycan is not scum* ". If not, I don't see why you're not voting Lycan.

I think that the problem between you two is 92. Lycan chose 3 people in 46 who were arguing about joke posts, then weighed them against each other to find the scummiest. You weighed the highest in his eyes simply because you didn't post much. Although he mentioned the meta in 46, he clarifies in 92 that the comment on meta was more of a minor addition than a central point.

After that you continued to focus on meta, starting with [posts]104[/posts] and in many posts after that.

Not saying I agree or disagree with either of your sides. Just trying to stop any unfounded motivations (from my perspective, noise).

It doesn't help that lycan's wordings are almost always confusing... Maybe that's a scum tell because it's forced?

You're still ignoring my tell I pointed out in my first post. If you called my premise silly rather than complain all game I would have unvoted you ages ago.

I can't figure out what you're saying by this post, decrypt it for me plz?

Sure... I considered you or Mizzy as directing attention towards Meepo/Accountant/Grace for no reason. Mizzy offered a lot more and seemed well enough in line with her usual play. You left a question that was already answered twice and it seemed clear to me that you were happy if people kept talking about useless things. At this point, the IC was busy ripping into a newbie and another newbie had no idea what was going on. It's fine if they wanted to have a go at one another, but others needed to drag more people in this. I stepped up to the plate and chose you.

The question he answered twice was what I just said here above. I think Lycan sees your raising the meta item in 104 and after as complaining.

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Hopefully that helped... My perspective to follow

[Simoyd]

Pants98 you're replaced. Talking about ongoing games is against the rules. Stop posting.

[Harkonnen97]

Snoe, you said that Pants98 wasn't really active and didn't give us much to read him. Did you share those notes of yours and summarize what has been happening this game so we can read your slot better?