A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

@Shotty
Pip's protecting Pistach tonight Shotty. If you show up in the morning without having investigated Pistachion I'm taking that as a scum claim.

Come on guys, nobody seems to have a problem with this course of action. Do we actually need to drag this out to the deadline AGAIN?

[Rob14]

@Rob
I thought I voted Flubber.

Votes reset after the modkill.

[Rob14]

drmyshottyizsik has been prodded.

[itlepip]

Wait how does shotty targetting Pistach confirm anybody?

Here's what I'll say right now. Mirhawk still should never end game, there are waaaay too many issues with his slot. Look at his interaction with all flip scum. Especially Axel are atrocious . Shotty I am okay with endgaming, obviously Mala and Shotty can. Given that both of their checks are right I would take Marquis over Mirhawk and about the same level as Shotty. Shotty in my mind is fairly confTown based on Talah's play. Cerberus I actually think is excruciatingly towny and setup spec should probably be town. Like holy shit why would Cerb ever claim to be a vig after a day where everyone was saying that vig was confirm SK and should be auto lynched, he hasn't even pushed against the world where he was getting lynched. Compare that to Mir who built an endgame where he could easily endgame and is hardpushing that plan. Pushing a townbloc where town loses if you are scum is dumb for town to go along with.

Did Cerb confirm whether or not he could shoot tonight?

[itlepip]

(I also think this game could easily end with a flubber lynch, just building worst case scenario worlds.

[Mirhawk]

Ah cool, I didn't notice. Thanks Rob.

[pistachi0n]

Yeah, I don't really think Cerb is the SK but we should cover bases.

[itlepip]

Sure, but we also really need to cover the bases of Mirhawk easily being scum here. I'm also going to die this game, so either what I'm saying is coming from a fellow confTown or I'm scum and it doesn't matter. Both Cerberus and Shotty should endgame waaay over Mirhawk.

[Mirhawk]

If Shotty is targeting Pistach and there is a scumkill, that means he didn't do the kill as he couldn't do both actions. If he gets a result and there is no kill then its likely he had to no kill to use his other ability.

Because you're protecting Pistach (so he can't die and show us his filp) and the scum roleblocker is dead, there is nothing that could interfere with this investigation.

You are of course free to think that I shouldn't make it to the endgame. As I see it tomorrow either me or you are going to be lynched and the endgame choices will be between Marquis and either you or me. Well or Shotty will fail to prove he's town, in which case we'll just lynch him tomorrow.

Cerb has said that he cannot shoot anymore period.

[Mirhawk]

I'm okay with Cerb. Shotty only gets to endgame if he passes "the test" tonight.

All things considered Pip, I think that if a bodyguard is still alive in lylo in a game where we had multiple confirmed townies you would be an autolynch. That's not a shot, just an observation.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah, I don't really think Cerb is the SK but we should cover bases.

We're covered. Unless he's suddenly become a every night SK.

Which as I said I think is unlikely because if he did gain the ability to shoot every night from Cakez's death then he would have shot him instead of Piper.

[itlepip]

This is why us losing the night action succkkks because I missed a chance to stop a NK but we can sleep at some point.

My question is how do we know if Shotty targets Pistach, especially given that Talah already targetted him.

Also so in your world who is our lynch tomorrow if it isn't me and it isn't Cerb and if Shotty passes the test it isn't him? It should always be you. If you flip town and I never get NKed sure town loses idgaf, but no way are you ever endgaming dude.

[pistachi0n]

Cerb has said that he cannot shoot anymore period.

Yeah. So if there are multiple nightkills, or no nightkills but the game still isn't over, we know to lynch Cerb.

[Mirhawk]

Pip, I typically don't like to defend myself too much as I've found in the past that it makes me look scummy (for reasons I've never actually figured out).

But you do realize that some of the stuff I've done is extremely unlikely from scum right?

I tried REALLY hard to convince everyone that Piper was lying to us about the information they revealed on Tictac. Like really hard, like so hard that I doubt you'd even try to make the argument that I wasn't trying to get them lynched. I also threw a big fit over them trying to get me lynched without being on my wagon, which in retrospect should be pretty obvious that they were trying to do.

There was never really any reason for me to bus skybird either, but that ones admittedly less clean cut then Piper.

I think I've been super town this game, and I'm not going to deny that it maybe bugs me a little that you don't see it.

This is all academic anyways, we can discuss it tomorrow if shotty and flubber aren't scum.

If you have a problem with shotty targeting Pistach we can switch it to Mala. As I said the only possible way for Mala to be scum is if she's a wig vending godfather, which is hilariously unlikely.

[pistachi0n]

I don't think mirhawk is scum any more and it makes me think less of pip.

[itlepip]

s scum any more and it makes me think less of pip.

You already didn't think this and you were already voting me. At least be intellectually honest with this stuff and don't just confbias you way in here without making reasonable reads. If flubber flips scum I don't care, but otherwise we only have 1 lynch outside of myself. So in my mind it has to be Mirhawk. Look at the way that he completely avoids any of the points I make and handwaves them away.

Pip, I typically don't like to defend myself too much as I've found in the past that it makes me look scummy (for reasons I've never actually figured out).

But you do realize that some of the stuff I've done is extremely unlikely from scum right?

Yes because none of players here pushed on any flipped scum besides all of us. How is this even an argument, yes obviously that bussing makes you townier, but I was the first person to begin to push Axxle, who when I replaced in was the towniest scum that has flipped so far.

I tried REALLY hard to convince everyone that Piper was lying to us about the information they revealed on Tictac. Like really hard, like so hard that I doubt you'd even try to make the argument that I wasn't trying to get them lynched. I also threw a big fit over them trying to get me lynched without being on my wagon, which in retrospect should be pretty obvious that they were trying to do.

Guess what when two scum are deathtunneling each other you don't get that much credit for picking a side.

There was never really any reason for me to bus skybird either, but that ones admittedly less clean cut then Piper.

I've already gone through your interactions with Skybird and how godawful they are.

I think I've been super town this game, and I'm not going to deny that it maybe bugs me a little that you don't see it.

lolwut

This is all academic anyways, we can discuss it tomorrow if shotty and flubber aren't scum.

Only valid point this post.

If you have a problem with shotty targeting Pistach we can switch it to Mala. As I said the only possible way for Mala to be scum is if she's a wig vending godfather, which is hilariously unlikely.

The ending is the worst thing I've seen. Obviously the reason I wanted to change is that I didn't see how Shotty checking pistach

when talah already checked them

, instead of explaining how it confirms shotty or makes sense on Pistach, you ignore my mechanical issue with a handwave. Also Pistach this isn't about me v Mirhawk in final three or whatever, this is who do we lynch in final 5 so the game ends before I have to argue for the mechanically wrong play. We also have Marquis who I think is the person that Mir is going to transition to arguing should be the lynch instead of himself. Mirhawk with his analysis isn't looking for auto for town, he's looking to see how he can endgame this game. He's incredibly scummy.

[Marquis]

thanks mir

i'd want to lynch flubber or itle (or shotty? idk)

still wary of cerb's competency allowing him to pull this off as an actual sk

but whatever

VOTE: flubber

[Mirhawk]

How am I ignoring the mechanical reason for your doubt when I'm literally suggesting a solution to it in the same frigging post you knob?

Also do you think everyone here is stupid or something Pip? It's not like everyone isn't going to notice that the minute you realized that it was going to be either me or you that you started undercutting me and casting doubt on my motives.

[Mirhawk]

Also are you switching to Mala, we need to know before the end of the day.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: flubber
mirhawk dies tomorrow if he sees one.

[itlepip]

ITS NOT ME OR YOU ITS ME AND YOU,THAT"S THE WHOLE FRICKING POINT I"M FINE WITH DYING IN F3 YEESH > _> pay attention.

[Malakittens]

will vote flubber

[Cerberus v666]

thanks mir

i'd want to lynch flubber or itle (or shotty? idk)

still wary of cerb's competency allowing him to pull this off as an actual sk

but whatever

VOTE: flubber

<3

Anyways. So reading now that we had people actually say something, I'm reminded that TPP defended Mirhawk pretty hard. They made a whole case about Mirhawk being certainly town, because of the difference in play and investment in this game and their past games, and did this as scum while Mirhawk was focused on getting them lynched.

It makes me think. I've never seen TPP as scum. The dwlee push was certainly a calculated maneuver to either give dwlee some space, or buy themselves some. In that sense, I view it as them protecting their partner, NOT bussing them. It just happens to be that the entire game was on thehr verge of being ready to lynch dwlee. Now,that makes me automatically suspicious of Mirhawk, who is fundamentally in the same position. They were attacking TPP, and TPP did something meant to increase their longevity in the game...it's just that the differing circumstances of the moment necessitated two very different protective actions.

Basically saying I was all naw Mirhawk is probably town, but now that I think about it, the interactions with TPP aren't as favorable as I had originally believed.

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: flubber

[Mirhawk]

Pip stop being so self rightious while you talk out of your ass.

Saying you're okay with dying in the fan three is about as stupid a thing a town player can say, as it's tantamount to saying you'd just let scum win.

Are you switching to Mala or not?!