Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Smithereens]

Why don't you vote SirCakez Chip? Your vote is still RVS and you've brought up some relatively good reasons to be voting elsewhere..

[Transcend]

VOTE: dixc

[Chip Butty]

Well, your vote on Cakez seems a bit reachy; like I said in #74, I don't think Cakez's comments on Maruchan were voteworthy. And like I also said, the game is a bit slow, so I think I can see why you are voting him - it's like a semi-RVS vote, right?

I'm still happy with my vote on pod. It's not an RVS vote any more, as I think I said somewhere. I have more to say about an issue I have already raised with him, but it will have to wait until later.

[DixC]

Sigh my dog just died so you can look it up your self, I believe in fast high pressure wagons, blah blah blah, watch how the machine works in response to all input, blah blah blah, I do this most games, and it's not a scum tell, blah blah blah.

Sorry to hear about the dog, VOTE: DrMyShotyIzSuj.

Does that have some relevance to the game?

I've noticed that scum are not beneath using any and every thing to obfuscate with pathos.

I hate this. At best, it is reachy. At worst, it is insensitive and a bit non-sensical. I mean, how many times do you think a player could pull a stunt like that, if that is what it is (Hint: it isn't)? And it seems to be saying something terrible about Shotty as a person, and I don't think there is any call for that.

I'm not Townreading Shotty, but I really doubt he would stoop to fabricating a story about the death of his dog just to get sympathy. He's not even in a really tight spot (yet).

Stunts, Fabrication? No need: only irrelevant honesty.

Could just be talk for its own sake, that I can buy, but there's no need to defend the good name of someone who has contributed literal "blah blah" to the conversation: Particularly against accusations that were never made.

Of course he's also been here for 6 years and has a custom-ish title: so clearly his "blah blah" out ranks my honest question of relevancy.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Totes irrelevant that I'm going to be limited dealing with getting everything handled. Totes didn't post that in other games. Totes fuck off, you are making this personal, don't go there.

[Transcend]

DixC:

No pun intended, but his fucking dog died. Throw him a bone would ya?

[DixC]

^You're right.

I'm going to be limited dealing with getting everything handled.

Thank you for the response: Again, I am sorry for your loss.

[Transcend]

[un][/un]

only voted you because you pissed me off

[Transcend]

UNVOTE:

tagfail

[SirCakez]

Imo Maruchan did well to get this game rolling. You could at the very least be a tad grateful. I dislike Sircakez calling it a big ball of fluff when literally it's one of the only posts made thus far that has attempted to progress the game. Why is Maruchan a big ball of fluff but nobody else is?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

It was fluffy because it was all a big fencesit. It didn't really progress the game at all and I'm not sure why you think it did.
DixC's vote on Shotty for the dog story was really terrible as well.

[Transcend]

i think it was terrible but i think it was just him being an asshole.

do you think it's scummy cakez? or do you mean terrible as in, he's a jerk.

[SirCakez]

It was a terrible vote, i;e made no sense as reasoning for a vote. Jury's still out as to whether it was from scum or town.

[Smithereens]

Imo Maruchan did well to get this game rolling. You could at the very least be a tad grateful. I dislike Sircakez calling it a big ball of fluff when literally it's one of the only posts made thus far that has attempted to progress the game. Why is Maruchan a big ball of fluff but nobody else is?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

It was fluffy because it was all a big fencesit. It didn't really progress the game at all and I'm not sure why you think it did.
DixC's vote on Shotty for the dog story was really terrible as well.

Look closely, it generated a lot of material, asked questions to multiple players and contained a sufficient amount of things you could have taken issue with. Instead you chose to take issue with the fact that his post on the whole didn't condemn any one player...

It's a bit tall of an order for RVS in a game as slow as this don't you think?

[Transcend]

i'm gonna dismiss dixc's vote as null for now, which looks like what you're doing as well.

[Smithereens]

you should be a bit more clear as to who 'you' is.

[Transcend]

cakez

[podoboq]

72 73 74 This is a nice string of posts. Chip is town in my book.

Sigh my dog just died so you can look it up your self, I believe in fast high pressure wagons, blah blah blah, watch how the machine works in response to all input, blah blah blah, I do this most games, and it's not a scum tell, blah blah blah.

Sorry to hear about the dog, VOTE: DrMyShotyIzSuj. Does that have some relevance to the game? I've noticed that scum are not beneath using any and every thing to obfuscate with pathos.

This vote is fine, but no

valid

reason for the vote is being given. That said, I don't think scum sticks their neck out with anything this insensitive.

It was fluffy because it was all a big fencesit. It didn't really progress the game at all and I'm not sure why you think it did.

I don't think it's fluffy just because Maru took the fence at the end. You're asking a player to have a legit scumread based on one post on page one in order to make a post that isn't fluffy. Maru had a problem with my post, pointed it out, and said I'm not necessarily scummy for it, but clearly I have to justify why I was asking in order to not get voted. I think that's actionable and fair analysis.

Spoiler: Ranger's reads

{SirCakez}
{Aneninen, Murdercat}
{Chip Butty, karnos, shotty, Smithereens}
{Maruchan, DicX, PenguinPower, Transcend}
{podoboq}
One.

{karnos}
{SirCakez}
{Aneninen, Murdercat}
{Chip Butty, shotty, Smithereens}
{Maruchan, DicX, PenguinPower, Transcend}
{podoboq}
Two.

{karnos}
{SirCakez}
{Aneninen, Murdercat, Smithereens}
{Chip Butty, shotty}
{Maruchan, DicX, PenguinPower, Transcend}
{podoboq}

*gulp*
In the one day of game I've been able to play with you before, your read of me slowly moved to town as you read more from me. Hopefully that happens here again.

I would like to know why you seem to have me in the

definitely scum

tier and why karnos seems to be chilling in the

definitely town

tier. He's made six content-less posts.

[drmyshottyizsik]

if anything dc is town for his reaction scum wouldn't act like that.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count

Maruchan

(3): MURDERCAT, podoboq, SirCakez

SirCakez

(2): Smithereens, karnos

karnos

(2): PenguinPower, drmyshottyizsik

drmyshottyizsik

(1): DixC

Aneninen

(1): Maruchan

Ranger

(1): Aneninen

podoboq

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(2): Ranger, Transcend

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-07-02 12:59:44)

[MURDERCAT]

Penguin prod please Dave.

[MURDERCAT]

Maruchan can you respond to my post? Can other people pressure please if you agree with me?

[MURDERCAT]

Ranger, any reason you are waiting to vote?

[MURDERCAT]

(Inb4 you say "yes" and nothing else)

[Maruchan]

What's pinging me about 27 is that I'm being talked to in a way (tone wise) that usually only comes about when someone has a strong town read on me later in the game. There's of course no way to know I'm town yet, unless you are scum. I also don't like the "it's a really good catch" part (feels like a buddy) but then saying it's not worthy of a vote. But then unless you give content he's highly inclined to vote. It feels like he doesn't have a real opinion, but he's trying to make it seem like he does.

I'm goign to jsut break this donw bit by bit.

1. Tone. You can gauge tone over internet? Have you gotten in contact with all the famous things like Ripley's Giuness, etc (IDK how to spell them)? Might be able to sell this skill as an oddity.

Real number 1 now that the sarcasm is over: You decided that I was acting like I had a town read on you, based off of me explaining something? Like are you for real? No. I don't have a read on anyone. I suck at reads. Over analyzing and making cases and arguments I'm good at. Implying that because I overtly explained a concept to you, means i have subconsciously labeled you as town, is just dumb. Whats even dumber is to do so "based on past experience" when that past experience is with complete random other people that aren't me. I like to be able to communicate/explain/teach. I enjoy the feeling that something i expanded up[on helps someoen else understand something better. Period. real life, mafia, good/bad guy, whatever. Thats a personality trait. Deal with it.

2. Saying pointing out someone's good catch's is buddying. So we're all independently scummhunting here? there's no group cohesion?

Mod go ahead and close the topic, we don't need it anymore. We can scumhunt without the rest of these fools, on our own. That whole group-process to finding scum is overhyped apparently

(I guess I wasn't done with the sarcasm). Pointing out that you didn't notice something, that someone else did, and that you agree with it, encourages more content from them. It's a concept called positive reinforcement. Think of potty training a dog. I'll give three examples that are the most similar to ways I could have reacted to someone else posting good content. So, I have a new dog I'm trying to pottytrain. he goes pee in the house. Lets take option 1. Ignore it and not give positive or negative reinforcement. He has no lesson to learn one way or the other as I haven't given him a lesson. He continues to pee in the house. He pees outside. We take Option 1 again and not give a positive or negative reaction. He never gets pottytrained nad he keeps peeing inside and outside, both good and bad actions, and he never becomes a better dog. Skip to option 2. He pees inside. You scold him. You punish him. You've negatively reinforced the behavior. He goes pee outside, no reaction. He's confused. He knows you DON'T want him peeing inside, but doesn't know that you DO want him peeing outside. Maybe he thinks he just cant pee in that room, and he tries another room, still a bad action. eventually by process of elimination, he will learn that the only thing that is not negatively-reinforced is the outside. the one good option. this takes forever. Skip to option 3. He goes pee inside. You do nothing. he doesn't stop peeing inside, no lesson learned. he pees outside. you give him a treat. he goes ecstatic over that treat and wants to learn how to get more. he goes pee inside again and gets no treat. he gets a treat when he goes pee outside. OH SHIT. He's just learned the quickest way to get treats is to pee outside, and he IMMEDIATELY ceases peeing inside, because he wants fuckin treats yo! You've just pottytraiend your dog.


of coruse the most efficient way is to combine postive and negative reinforcement to back each other up, BUT IF YO UCOULD ONLY postive OR ignore OR negative, the best thign is to positive.

same thing to player participation in a game. You keep telling them they are doing the right thing, you appreciate their efforts, you want them to continue trying, you'll get good engaged, players who actively try to scumhunt.
you just keep telling them when they are wrong, they get apathetic, they lurkmoar, they proddodge, they resent you, the game stagnantes.


I think telling someone they made a Good!Post, is the best option here yeah? Not buddying. Encouraging pro-town behavior.


3. Not worthy of a vote. This is fucking Page 1, Day 1, less then 10 posts into the game, random voting/question stage. NO CONTENT here is usually EVER worthy of a Serious!Vote, this early. I was not willing to make the irst Serious!Vote of the game, based of this little.

You have no qualms, you mate the first Serious!Vote of the game, on me, for over-analyzing something. While your justification is misguided, your willingness to stick your neck out earns townie points. good job. Now just try to annoy me less when you earn your towny points and we'll get along just fine.


4. I didn't have a really good opinion. I wasn't trying to seem like I was. I apologize if you got that impression. I was merely trying to expand on a point that was only briefly made, to more publicly cement that point into the collective group psych, so as to ensure it stuck, and wasn't glossed over. Later, based on podoboq's future actions, this point is either 100% null, or can back up a pattern of future scummy behavior.


Glad to see my inherent personalty quirks continue to get me scumread out the gate. Go take a quick meta on the playerslots in my most recent 2-3 games, and tell me you see any difference in the play of my first post here than in those, and then take a look at what roles i flipped in them.


I love how you and SirCakez are pinging on me for "trying to appear to do something when not actually doing anything" when that's exactly what we were pinging on podoboq about. -.-



Literally #62 and #63 stopped me from frustration replacing out after #60 and my last game I played. I'm sick of people getting on me for over-explaining stuff, when that's just my fucking personality


Ranger wtf is your #64-#66, I don't even understand. You did that same shit last game and i never fucking understood wtf you were doing



@Murdercat #95, proddign someone to respond to your post, when they have yet to post after it is stupid. They likely haven't read your post yet. Take al ook at their "Last Online" on their profile.

Or meta me in any game for the past 3 years, and learn I'm in the Navy and have a hectic schedule, and if you read an older game you'd know we go underway often where I only get internet during Evening hours, and if you read a recent game you'd know I'm on deployment right now, which is permanently underway, with internet only during evening hours. I literally cannot respond to your post any quicker.

be assured, I do read each and every post, and I do make massive wall-style catchups to every post since my last post. I just take awhile to do it. If i don't respond to a specific line of inquiry, AFTER I make my post, fee lfree to ping me on it.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin prod please Dave.

I'm here, and I'm not changing my vote...so I'm not sure what else you would like for me to say at this point. My initial vote was a joke vote, but karnos is displaying his normal scummy behaviors when scum.