Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)

[innocentvillager]

but he's been scumreading/tunneling on me basically this entire game

I think you've been tunneling on him, not him on you.

We've clearly both been tunneling on each other. Maybe me more so than him, but he was definitely quick to put me at the top of his scumlist and that didn't change until very recently.

[innocentvillager]

It means he's

consistently

completely open about you being town regardless of who was tunnelling whom.

I've read this like 10 times and I'm struggling to understand how it refutes my argument.

I've thought about it over some more, and I think I kind of get your point, but I'm still not sold on loosening "rope".

So we agree that if he's scumreading me at post time, it's a scumslip because if he was town, he would be very suspicious of me and should post with the mindset that I'm probably scum, and therefore claiming that I don't know that he's town is scummy.

We also agree that if he's townreading me at post time, it's not a scumslip because he's posting with the mindset that I'm town, and subconsciously assuming so is understandable. I would argue that it's still a bit of a scumtell because accidental surety is scummy (unless he was 100% townreading me). So far so good, right?

Then comes the case where I'm somewhere in-between, which is what this is and clearly what we're disagreeing on. I realize confbias might be getting in my way to call this accurately, but I still think this is at least a major scumtell. He was just very suspicious of me for the past 12 or so IRL days, and now I'm suddenly at nullish. He's clearly still suspicious of me, even if not as much as before. To subconsciously post with the mindset that I am town is contradictory, and shows scum-motivation for the same reason that it would if he was scumreading me. If not a scumslip, at least a major scumtell.

[Titus]

No. To shift from scum to null suggests an implicit considering of you as town.

[Titus]

Welcome Titus

Hi. I gut scumread you. Why?

[innocentvillager]

No. To shift from scum to null suggests an implicit considering of you as town.

Okay, that's actually a good point. Fine, I'll agree that it's not a slip or a major scum tell. I still get a bad vibe from it due to the surety.

[Accountant]

@Simoyd: That's ridiculous. of course I would defend IV, and I'm shocked the other SEs didn't. You didn't give any specific examples of which of my defenses are garbage. As for scumhunting, I don't think I can accomplish anything productive before deadline, and I intend to lynch snoe.

[Lycanfire]

@IV

I said you were more townie than scum, and if I'm right on the Pants slot, you're town.

@Simoyd

You or Postie. Reason: on the Accountant wagon instead of the Pants/Snoe/Blank one. Postie basically said she would go along with RC's read, meanwhile you've been on Accountant for awhile now, but you keep questioning my tone. These are one-sided comments. What do you want me to say, if anything? This makes me feel like you're working against me rather than considering the possibility we're on the same team. Meepo/Hark is good. RC is probably ok. Grace's slot was in a good position if she was scum, all she had to do was post. Most liked her. I have doubts that Accountant or IV are Blank's partner.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.11

If everybody minded their own business, the world would go around a great deal faster than it does.

Accountant

(3): Postie, RadiantCowbells, Simoyd

BlankFace

(3): Accountant, Harkonnen97, Lycanfire

Lycanfire

(1): innocentvillager

Not Voting

: Titus, BlankFace

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-06-25 22:32:17)

[Harkonnen97]

Welcome Titus

Hi. I gut scumread you. Why?

I don't know?

[Harkonnen97]

Sorry if the question is stupid, but do cops in this game have a random sanity? Or they are always sane?

[Accountant]

In newbie setups, cops are

always

sane.

[Harkonnen97]

Thanks.

Accountant, you were very aggresive at the start, what made you shift gears and become more passive lately?

[Titus]

I am thinking this is Postie/Blank.

Why are RC/Postie/Blank not posting?

[Accountant]

Thanks.

Accountant, you were very aggresive at the start, what made you shift gears and become more passive lately?

Mmm, I think the heat of the game is winding down and everyone is settling on their own reads and moving towards a lynch(hopefully snoe's). Like I said, I've already slapped down my vote, I don't think I can do anything constructive until after a flip.

[Postie]

I am thinking this is Postie/Blank.

How about this: we lynch Accountant, then Lycan and snoe/Blank, and if the game hasn't ended by then you can autolynch me.
I don't really see myself being wrong on any of my townreads.

[Simoyd]

You or Postie. Reason: on the Accountant wagon instead of the Pants/Snoe/Blank one.

Why not RC then?

This makes me feel like you're working against me rather than considering the possibility we're on the same team.

I read a scum lean on you.

[Simoyd]

@mod: Those votes are on blank, not on titus, right? Titus replaced grace, right? blank replaced snoe?

[Titus]

I am thinking this is Postie/Blank.

How about this: we lynch Accountant, then Lycan and snoe/Blank, and if the game hasn't ended by then you can autolynch me.
I don't really see myself being wrong on any of my townreads.

The only one of those that might be scum to me is Blank...

[Simoyd]

@mod: blank also unvoted and titus/grace didn't have a vote

[Postie]

The only one of those that might be scum to me is Blank...

Why are Accountant and Lycan town?

[Accountant]

I am thinking this is Postie/Blank.

How about this: we lynch Accountant, then Lycan and snoe/Blank, and if the game hasn't ended by then you can autolynch me.
I don't really see myself being wrong on any of my townreads.

If all three of those people are town there'd be no point autolynching you since mafia would have won already

What makes no sense to me is why you seem to be equally willing to lynch me and Titus(snoe), but vote me instead of L-1ing Titus.

[Harkonnen97]

Titus is replacing Grace. Blank is replacing snoe.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it speaks volumes that Accountant is refusing to talk to me.

[Simoyd]

The only one of those that might be scum to me is Blank...

Ok, then that means we can't get a lynch on Accountant. Harkonnen97, Lycanfire, innocentvillager and titus won't vote accountant (correct me if I'm mistaken), which means he can't get 5 votes. So I'm going with my second choice.

VOTE: BlankFace

pretty sure that puts him at

> L-1 <

[Postie]

If all three of those people are town there'd be no point autolynching you since mafia would have won already

Oh. I did not think that through.

What makes no sense to me is why you seem to be equally willing to lynch me and Titus(snoe), but vote me instead of L-1ing Titus.

My pick for the scumteam is you + one of Lycan/snoe, so my vote goes on you.