Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, that just proves that Accountant is scum.

[Postie]

I'm still townleaning on Grace's early posts. Idk. I can't explain it. They don't feel easily fakable.

But then

but Accountant seems to be really worried... Isn't that suspicious?

This feels like shitty distancing.

Ughhhhhhhh.

[Simoyd]

RC: who's your second scum pick?

[Harkonnen97]

Postie, what's your final opinion on Grace/Titus?

[Postie]

Postie, what's your final opinion on Grace/Titus?

Idk. I need to re-ISO Grace and hear more from Titus.

[Postie]

Okay, I'm not sure I like the way Grace moved from scumreading Accountant to defending them.
Paranoia now firmly embedded in my brain.
Titus, start talking.

[Harkonnen97]

Thanks!

Skimmed Accountant's ISO there and they feel kinda different but I can't tell if that's just me being confbiased.
Meh. RC's push feels like a town push and apparently he's good at reading Accountant so I'm willing to vote Accountant just for that.

Anyway, I'm basically done catching up.

1st Tier Lynchpool:

Accountant

/

Pants98

/

Lycanfire

2nd Tier Lynchpool:

RadiantCowbells

Townpool:

Simoyd

/

Grace

/

innocentvillager

/

Meepo

Probably actually going to hold off voting for now because I want to hear more from Pants98 and try and get a better handle on Lycan.

I don't let people into my townpool willy-nilly.

I can dig through IV's ISO and find what he said to make me townread him if you like, but I'm fairly sure he's town.
It's either Accountant/Pants or Accountant/Lycan.

Okay, so Grace was in your town pool, and the bolded part in 273 implies that if you think someone is town, you strongly believe so. But then:

What are the odds that it's Grace/Accountant and that fight they had where Accountant had all the hammed up reactions was a planned distancing attempt?

Grace's reaction looked really town though. D:

And I guess there's the possibility of Grace being coached. Ugh. Why.

I'm still townleaning on Grace's early posts. Idk. I can't explain it. They don't feel easily fakable.

But then

but Accountant seems to be really worried... Isn't that suspicious?

This feels like shitty distancing.

Ughhhhhhhh.

Postie, what's your final opinion on Grace/Titus?

Idk. I need to re-ISO Grace and hear more from Titus.

Postie why are you getting so emotional?

Sorry if I'm being rude. It just seems to me like you are changing your opinion on Grace way too easily, and just because of RC. Looks to me like you are trying to sheep him?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a massive case incoming. Hold on.

[Postie]

Postie why are you getting so emotional?

Because I don't like being wrong on my townreads?

It just seems to me like you are changing your opinion on Grace way too easily, and just because of RC.

RC knows how to read Titus. If he says Titus is engaging weirdly, Titus is engaging weirdly.

Looks to me like you are trying to sheep him?

Huh?

[Harkonnen97]

Looks to me like you are trying to sheep RC, that's what I meant.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyway. Why am I scumreading accountant?

1) Deliberately staying on the down low.

Note that all of his posts since the early game have been extremely short and clipped.
His stances are extremely mainstream, with his vote on Blank (the current largest wagon) and nothing particularly exciting or out there in his ISO.
He's deliberately avoiding responsibility for his actions by saying that he's already done his share and is waiting for a lynch, yet hasn't visibly scumhunted in thread.
He's responding to things but not really expressing any of his reads. His read progression is basically follow general scumreads and OMGUS me.

Oh, and

I don't agree that a lynch on myself is the most likely option for Day 1. The case simply falls down upon a close examination. Someone like pants is far more likely to get lynched.

Huge scumtell. I can't put reasons to it at this time because I don't know them myself, but when someone says something like this they're scum 99% of the time.

2) Extremely posturey reads that don't really make sense.

Let's look at his read on me following my unvote on him, shall we?

I've already stated why I don't like RC, he's not giving reasons and making bad pushes. I know it's his meta but I don't see the spark that usually leads me to townread him early.

No, it was a statement of confusion because RC doesn't usually do this

Because if he was scum he has no reason to unvote.

Lycanfire is null. My read on RC is based on their lack of scumhunting, not OMGUS. Someone still needs to explain the case on me because there's absolutely no reasoning.

So yeah, that really doesn't make sense and feels like he's just trying not to pick a stance that will get him pushed on for.

Don't have much time on the computer - RC and snoe are scummy, Lycan and IV are TvT. Simoyd is scumlean, rest are null or townlean. Postie isn't doing as much as I thought she would with her strong entrance

Why? Oh, and unlike me, Accountant gives reasons.

Bussing scum

Does he follow this up at all? Answer: No.

The case simply falls down upon a close examination.

Do you really think that this, in this manner, is something town says about a case on them?

Hey Simoyd, I think you're sheeping RC and hiding behind your newbness to justify it. Your readslist is very similar to his and you're voting the same person as him without strong reasoning. I'd like to hear your defense against this.

I cannot conceive of Town!Accountant saying to someone that they are claiming to scumread that they would 'like to hear your defense against this.' Nope. Accountant jumps on their scumreads like a great dane jumps on table food. Virtually irreconcilable to me.

Like, LOOK THROUGH ACCOUNTANT'S ISO AGAIN. do they look like someone who is trying to scumhunt & solve a game or someone who is trying to stay alive?
The only thing in their ISO that looks anything like scumhunting is their exchange with Grace. The rest is just hiding and trying to make it through the game.

3) Avoiding getting into an engagement with me because he's scared I'll get momentum going on him.

This is exactly what Accountant does when I'm in a game and he's scum since our first encounter. He hides and stays on the down low and tries to avoid pressure.
Do you really think that town!Accountant would be okay with just sitting there and refusing to interact with someone he calls his top scumread?
Do you really think that town!Accountant would simultaneously say that this is my meta while also saying that he's scumreading me for not giving reasons?
Accountant as town would get in my face and pick a fight and try to change my read. This is not him.

4) Just generally not playing his town meta.

Accountant is one of those players who has a major tonal difference between town and scum.
He's far more aggressive about pushing lynches as town, can be very tunnely, but he goes really hard on getting what he wants.
This game he's been really not trying to make an impact and that's a very strong tell with Accountant. When they are town they make huge waves.
Oh, and Accountant is generally townread by newer players when he's scum. See 1688 or 1648. Both games I ended up suddenly realizing that they were scum while the vast majority of people had them as top townreads. If all the people in these games had Accountant as a top townread when they were scum, why can't you guys be wrong as well?
Also there's just stuff I can't really put a finger to. The tonal thing that called me in 1648 is here as well, something about his town, idk. I really think he's scum.

FYI Accountant not sure whether you want to be called he or she so I've been using he. let me know. Hopefully I won't need to worry about your pronoun for long though!

[Postie]

Sweet; now people can sheep this. How long should we take with figuring Titus out before we lynch?

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie, you're weirding me out :\

[Postie]

Don't really know what to do on that front. Do you want my thoughts on anything?

[RadiantCowbells]

Everything.

[Postie]

Um. I'm not great with vague instructions. There's nothing in your case I disagree with?

[RadiantCowbells]

If Accountant is town I am going to be super paranoid of you for the rest of the game.

[Postie]

Good thing they're probably not.

[Postie]

How long should we take with figuring Titus out before we lynch?

[RadiantCowbells]

If this is scum Titus is probably getting JK/Cop/Tracked anyway.
if this isn't then whatever reads I get on her will suck.

Btw, if you are a jailkeeper and this is a goon flip you should try to jailkeep someone you think is town. I suggest myself for that

[Harkonnen97]

My reads:

Scum: Blank>Accountant>Postie, in this order
Null: IV, Lycan
Town: Simoyd>RC>Titus, in this order

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey, I gave you a case. Why do you think Blank is more likely to be scum than Accountant?

[Simoyd]

yea, Harkonnen97 and IV should vote Accountant.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I'm not townreading Snoe. If I see a case that's as good as my case on Accountant I can vote there.

But I feel like such a case doesn't exist.

[Titus]

Okay, I'm not sure I like the way Grace moved from scumreading Accountant to defending them.
Paranoia now firmly embedded in my brain.
Titus, start talking.

Don't people in your town pool stay there?

I been talking. You got hands for ears?