Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[F-oh-ex]

Leaning Town on Robbnva.
Slightly leaning Town on Dwlee99, I get how frustrated Town would be with other people acting dumbly. I'm usually on the other end of frustration in chat mafia.
I don't really like atm's, Smithereens', and MM4's posts.

[F-oh-ex]

By the way, this form is how I've usually done catching up in past games and if I wake up to a jungle of posts, I'll probably continue to do so in this way. If you think it's not clear to read though, feel free to tell me and I'll change it.

[Smithereens]

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

[stelo]

VOTE: Dragon

[Dwlee99]

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

so any thoughts on the game?
Also @Stelo

[Creature]

First Thoughts: 'Damn 3 pages already this game is hella active'
*reads the game*
3 people engaged in small chat... :\


VOTE: Creature
Somewhat serious vote, not entirely RVS. There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser. Possible that Creature is buddying, I don't like how he talks about 'early town activity' or some shit like that as if he's trying to seem a part of it.

This post fits perfectly a scum being opportunistic. Robbnva is having problems with early townreads, so what would stop scum from supporting him and make stupid lynches?

[Creature]

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

Looks like positioning. Instead of trying to sort Dwlee, he pockets Dwlee.

[Creature]

If Smithereens flips scum, it must make Robbnva very town-aligned.

VOTE: Smithereens

[Creature]

I don't feel safe saying Robbnva is town yet, if he says he's experienced, why would he bring this drama over my townreads?

[Creature]

So Robbnva agrees we are out of rvs yet..

1. Has trashed those with town reads
   
2. Has no scum reads

nice

Nobody really should have either at this point. It's too early to get strong reads

Exactly, where I said I have strong townreads?

[Creature]

Here's the thing. Most players see actions like being pro-active as a town tell. Smart scum notice these things and adapt because the point of the game as scum is to be town read as best as they can.

And why town shouldn't try to be pro-active too?

That's why some scum like to end Rvs as soon as possible because that's usually considered a town tell and people who prolong it are usually looked at suspicious.

And town don't?

Trying to start an Rvs wagon on somebody is easily the most common way to end Rvs. Now I can't say I've ever used that myself, I have seen scum do it.

You're right.

People always lecture me at "looking at motives" and imo those early pushes didn't feel natural to me, they felt forced in an attempt the end Rvs instead of letting it progress naturally. That's why I don't see those
actions as necessary town motivated. I also question people who do because it should be questioned.

The point is that, if you're town, you should try to contribute even early, if you're scum, you will try to get town cred for that.

Now back to creature. The post he made about not going to vote them for the remainder of the game rubbed me the wrong way. Nobody was accusing him of that and it felt out of place. If he were town I would think he would be more confident in his own opinions and wouldn't be rattled by somebody else's.

Wait, your intention was to rattle me?

[Robbnva]

I don't feel safe saying Robbnva is town yet, if he says he's experienced, why would he bring this drama over my townreads?

Questioning something suspicious is creating drama?

So Robbnva agrees we are out of rvs yet..

1. Has trashed those with town reads
   
2. Has no scum reads

nice

Nobody really should have either at this point. It's too early to get strong reads

Exactly, where I said I have strong townreads?

not sure why you thought I was talking about you there but I wasn't.

[Creature]

atm487 and F-oh-ex are looking town for me.

atm487 looks different from his game as scum, here he's actually pushing his reads.

F-oh-ex's posts seemed to have a sort of scum hunting rather than scum trying to make noise.

[Robbnva]

And why town shouldn't try to be pro-active too?

i never said that. Are you going to basically try to twist everything I say?

Page 1, anyone trying to be proactive is going to look fake to me because it's somebody trying to make something out of nothing instead of letting the game progress naturally. That's why his actions are suspicious to me.

And town don't?

Imo town like to let things develop naturally and not force things.

You're right.

Of course I am

The point is that, if you're town, you should try to contribute even early

Going to disagree with you here.

Wait, your intention was to rattle me?

Not at all which is why I was surprised you got rattled.

[Creature]

I don't feel safe saying Robbnva is town yet, if he says he's experienced, why would he bring this drama over my townreads?

Questioning something suspicious is creating drama?

I can't call that questioning, at some point you tried to flaw my opinions. The different between town questioning and scum questioning is that town encourages someone to post more opinions, while scum does the opposite, like what you're doing saying they can be easily faking it.

[Robbnva]

Well if you remember I did question you in a way to get you to post more opinions. That's how it started because you just gave an opinion without any explanation for it. I asked you to explain how you arrived at your opinion.

After you explained yourself, I responded giving you my opinion. That's not trying to flaw your opinion, it's me disagreeing with you.

So to say I'm trying to discourage people giving opinions is completely off base because i have asked at least 4 different people questions trying to get them to give their opinions, with you being one of them.

[Robbnva]

I'll ask you a question before my phone dies. What's your thoughts of atm who I basically guided him towards things he could give an opinion on and instead of doing that just started questioning me.

Dwlee, don't think you ever answered this

[Dwlee99]

I'll ask you a question before my phone dies. What's your thoughts of atm who I basically guided him towards things he could give an opinion on and instead of doing that just started questioning me.

Dwlee, don't think you ever answered this

I can see him doing that as town or scum

[Robbnva]

atm487 and F-oh-ex are looking town for me.

atm487 looks different from his game as scum, here he's actually pushing his reads.

F-oh-ex's posts seemed to have a sort of scum hunting rather than scum trying to make noise.

I don't like these reads at all and I had to question if we were even reading the same game.

I don't see atm "pushing his reads" because he doesn't really have any by his own admmission. He has one very slight read and that's on me but he doesn't explain why and he isn't even confident enough to vote me. Of course i'm biased here but I find it interesting that his only read happens to be on the person who was under the most scrutiny at the time and the fact that he avoided giving reads when people were trying to get them from him doesn't look pro-town at all.

as for f-oh ex, please link these posts you see as scum hunting because post 124 definitely looks like a noise post to me

p.edit - thank you

[Dwlee99]

if you want me to elaborate on why I feel that way, he's new so I am really unsure of the way he'll play. I played in his newbie game and he was scum and did pretty much nothing except for bandwagoning some people a little, so I am unsure whether or not this is town!atm trying to do some stuff or possibly scum!atm who figured out how to play scum better (or possibly getting coached pre-game or by mafia with day chat)

[Derek12]

So is Akigoku your top scumread

Not seeing how someone who hadn't made a post at that time (and still hasn't) can be the biggest scumread.

Well, that's pretty much what I meant by that. I made that post in reference to this

Yes Rvs is definitely over but people should be voting who they think is scum.

[Derek12]

I really don't like 123 or the whole shitposting deal from F-oh-ex. I don't understand how reading #32 would really change your thoughts on the later posts unless you barely read them.

[Creature]

More votes on Smithereens would be good.

[Dragon of the West]

VOTE: Dragon

ayyeee he's here

[Dragon of the West]

More votes on Smithereens would be good.

are you trying to start a wagon or just get more out of them? (seeing as they only have 2 posts and i frankly can't get enough from that to place a legitimate vote)