Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Dragon of the West]

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

he's gonna play that way regardless of what you say to him

[Robbnva]

More votes on Smithereens would be good.

are you trying to start a wagon or just get more out of them? (seeing as they only have 2 posts and i frankly can't get enough from that to place a legitimate vote)

agree with this somewhat, however the post he made about creature I agreed with so I don't see what creature's issue is unless it's omgus.

[Dwlee99]

he's gonna play that way regardless of what you say to him

this tbh

[Dragon of the West]

More votes on Smithereens would be good.

are you trying to start a wagon or just get more out of them? (seeing as they only have 2 posts and i frankly can't get enough from that to place a legitimate vote)

agree with this somewhat, however the post he made about creature I agreed with so I don't see what creature's issue is unless it's omgus.

yeah i didn't have a problem with Smithereens' thought on creature early. Creature did try to make a case on smithereens though so let me go back and read it

[Robbnva]

He did? Oh I missed that post somehow. I'll have to read it later

[Dragon of the West]

First Thoughts: 'Damn 3 pages already this game is hella active'
*reads the game*
3 people engaged in small chat... :\


VOTE: Creature
Somewhat serious vote, not entirely RVS. There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser. Possible that Creature is buddying, I don't like how he talks about 'early town activity' or some shit like that as if he's trying to seem a part of it.

This post fits perfectly a scum being opportunistic. Robbnva is having problems with early townreads, so what would stop scum from supporting him and make stupid lynches?

if you're arguing that scum is supporting him when he's having trouble with early reads, that would make scum exposed and we could just look at people jumping onto wagons with no real information. also, they made a legitimate argument given how early we were in the game when they posted this.
And what would stop them from making stupid lynches? hopefully everyone else needing information before blindly jumping on wagons. i dunno man, your point feels forced

[Dragon of the West]

He did? Oh I missed that post somehow. I'll have to read it later

i didn't like the case he made

[Dwlee99]

I think the point creature is making is that scum were taking advantage of robbnva having issues with people having town reads and using it as an excuse to try to push a lynch through. (Which is a decent argument imo)

[Robbnva]

So scum would coordinate around my issues when it would be easier to attack/discredit me?

[Creature]

I don't think there's preference, scum can take any side when it comes to a silly fight, but they'll try to go with who's most likely to accept them buddying or who they feel is less lynchable.

[Dwlee99]

Which sounds easier: Pushing a (presumably) strong player for not liking early town reads, or agreeing with the strong player in not liking early town reads in order to push a lynch through?

[Dwlee99]

There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser.

Looking ar smithereen's post again this really bothers me. Creature never said that they got a town read from like one post or something, it was based on the pushes people were making across multiple pushes.
VOTE: Smithereens

[Derek12]

@Creature:

Could you answer this? I'm not seeing it either.

as for f-oh ex, please link these posts you see as scum hunting because post 124 definitely looks like a noise post to me

[Creature]

I was also conflited with post 124, but it sounds like he's developing his scum hunting rather than "I must try to be seem as scum hunting as much as possible"

[Sméagol]

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Smithereens [

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Creature

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Dwlee99

Creature [

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Eggman

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Smithereens

Dwlee99 [

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Dragon of the West

stelo [

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F-oh-ex

Dragon of the West [

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stelo

F-oh-ex [

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Derek12

atm487 [

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Robbnva

Abstaining [4]:

MarioManiac4 / Akigoku / crazycrabman /

atm487

There are 13 active players.
Absolute majority is

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Majority has

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Spoiler: Current player list

[01]

Smithereens

[02]

Creature

[03]

MarioManiac4

[04]

Robbnva

[05]

Dwlee99

[06]

stelo

[07]

Dragon of the West

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Derek12

[09]

Akigoku

[10]

F-oh-ex

[11]

Eggman

[12]

atm487

[13]

crazycrabman

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Deadline is

07-07-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-07-07 00:00:00)).

[Eggman]

UNVOTE: Creature[/vote]

If you can't see how it's easy to fake pushes early game then yes you are absolutely inexperienced. I've faked pushes late game as scum so early game is a breeze

Sounds like it would be making a case on someone with little to no evidence, or voting for them on a really bad reason.

Hello, everyone! General question: what's your favorite dessert?
VOTE: Creature (I won't lurk this time if you don't.)

Hello, I am not lurking, what about you?

I was asleep.

Dwlee and Robbnva's banter, to me, implies some sort of familiarity between the two, even though they're opposing each other.
F-oh-ex

Jsyk, this

is

my first game outside of Road to Rome. Go ahead, be a condescending prick and call me an idiot.

A little AtE-ey.

I'll ask you a question before my phone dies. What's your thoughts of atm who I basically guided him towards things he could give an opinion on and instead of doing that just started questioning me.

Dwlee, don't think you ever answered this

I can see him doing that as town or scum

So far Dwlee's given this answer twice. I think he's using that as an excuse to not form reads on the specific players, or to get out of not having them. Feels a little scummy to me. His 144 feels to me like he realized the above argument and thought it through.

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

Where do you see him being antagonistic?
I'll put my

Vote

on

Smithereens

for now, because I want to hear more from him.

[Eggman]

Whoops.
UNVOTE: Creature*

[Dwlee99]

I'll put my Vote on Smithereens for now, because I want to hear more from him.

this doesn't count as a vote

Dwlee and Robbnva's banter, to me, implies some sort of familiarity between the two, even though they're opposing each other.

how was that banter.. at all?

So far Dwlee's given this answer twice. I think he's using that as an excuse to not form reads on the specific players, or to get out of not having them. Feels a little scummy to me. His 144 feels to me like he realized the above argument and thought it through.

or something just isn't alignment indicative ??

[Dragon of the West]

I think the point creature is making is that scum were taking advantage of robbnva having issues with people having town reads and using it as an excuse to try to push a lynch through. (Which is a decent argument imo)

That makes more sense i was misunderstanding what creature originally meant by "problems with townreads". Either way I'm not sure that was Smithereens trying to jump on and push for a lynch. iirc creature didn't even have a vote on him that wasn't from rvs and robb didn't place a vote on him during that squabble. if there were more votes on creature i could see it as scum pushing for a lynch but being the first legitimate vote on creature doesn't convince me fully.
I would like to see what Smith has to say though considering we're now days in and they've only posted twice.

[Dragon of the West]

lol i forgot i had this on still xD VOTE: Unvote

[Dwlee99]

I think the point creature is making is that scum were taking advantage of robbnva having issues with people having town reads and using it as an excuse to try to push a lynch through. (Which is a decent argument imo)

That makes more sense i was misunderstanding what creature originally meant by "problems with townreads". Either way I'm not sure that was Smithereens trying to jump on and push for a lynch. iirc creature didn't even have a vote on him that wasn't from rvs and robb didn't place a vote on him during that squabble. if there were more votes on creature i could see it as scum pushing for a lynch but being the first legitimate vote on creature doesn't convince me fully.
I would like to see what Smith has to say though considering we're now days in and they've only posted twice.

robbnva was hinting at a creature scum read / lean

[Dragon of the West]

I think the point creature is making is that scum were taking advantage of robbnva having issues with people having town reads and using it as an excuse to try to push a lynch through. (Which is a decent argument imo)

That makes more sense i was misunderstanding what creature originally meant by "problems with townreads". Either way I'm not sure that was Smithereens trying to jump on and push for a lynch. iirc creature didn't even have a vote on him that wasn't from rvs and robb didn't place a vote on him during that squabble. if there were more votes on creature i could see it as scum pushing for a lynch but being the first legitimate vote on creature doesn't convince me fully.
I would like to see what Smith has to say though considering we're now days in and they've only posted twice.

robbnva was hinting at a creature scum read / lean

i realize that but still he didn't have his vote on him. while i'm fine with saying that makes smith feel scummy (because it does), i don't think I'm ready to say only scum!smith does that and puts a vote on creature there. This is obviously all contingent on smith's response

[crazycrabman]

atm487 and F-oh-ex are looking town for me.

atm487 looks different from his game as scum, here he's actually pushing his reads.

F-oh-ex's posts seemed to have a sort of scum hunting rather than scum trying to make noise.

I agree with these two points. ATM is acting differently from the last game I played with him.

[crazycrabman]

So far I feel that this is creature's town game. His posts feel to me to be made in a manner scum wouldn't, which from my limited experience is more hesitant to start a wagon and draw attention to themselves.

[crazycrabman]

Smithereen's posts do seem scummy but two posts isn't enough for me to make a decision on.