Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Smithereens]

First Thoughts: 'Damn 3 pages already this game is hella active'
*reads the game*
3 people engaged in small chat... :\


VOTE: Creature
Somewhat serious vote, not entirely RVS. There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser. Possible that Creature is buddying, I don't like how he talks about 'early town activity' or some shit like that as if he's trying to seem a part of it.

This post fits perfectly a scum being opportunistic. Robbnva is having problems with early townreads, so what would stop scum from supporting him and make stupid lynches?

I believe this was the first non RVS vote of the game. How informed do you want it to be...? Read it in context please.

[Dwlee99]

I believe this was the first non RVS vote of the game.

well you're wrong

[Smithereens]

I believe this was the first non RVS vote of the game.

well you're wrong

I'm not. However you missed my point, Creature reacted really poorly to a vote that was justified for that point in the game. With more material I wouldn't say that I should keep my vote there, however I didn't expect Creature to feel so threatened by it. A hit maybe? That would be damned interesting, however I'd preferably like to hear what he says for himself before we discuss meta on reactions vs innocuous posts. Sufficient to say that there's plenty to investigate here.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Robbnva
Actually 100% serious this person is probably scum
pedit creature wtf I used brackets last game we played..

this was the first serious vote

[Smithereens]

Missed that entirely, I stand corrected.

[Dwlee99]

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[Dragon of the West]

VOTE: Robbnva
Actually 100% serious this person is probably scum
pedit creature wtf I used brackets last game we played..

this was the first serious vote

bold move to have a serious vote post 16

[Smithereens]

^ Dwlee appears to be self-assertive as a person so the first half of that sentence answers your own point.

[MarioManiac4]

Well, most of you are right that there's content. The problem is the serious lack of alignment-indicative content.
Derek, though, has a muddy ISO. Most of it is trying to "stay in the flow" and joke with Dwlee. His f-oh-ex vote is bad. He hasn't posted real content at this point, yet criticised Fox for doing so.
VOTE: Derek12
I'll be chilling here.

[Creature]

atm487 and F-oh-ex are looking town for me.

atm487 looks different from his game as scum, here he's actually pushing his reads.

F-oh-ex's posts seemed to have a sort of scum hunting rather than scum trying to make noise.

I agree with these two points. ATM is acting differently from the last game I played with him.

And why you agree on F-oh-ex?

[Creature]

Smithereen's posts do seem scummy but two posts isn't enough for me to make a decision on.

but isn't it worth calling out? You can change your vote anytime anyway.

[Creature]

First Thoughts: 'Damn 3 pages already this game is hella active'
*reads the game*
3 people engaged in small chat... :\


VOTE: Creature
Somewhat serious vote, not entirely RVS.

There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game.

If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser. Possible that Creature is buddying, I don't like how he talks about 'early town activity' or some shit like that as if he's trying to seem a part of it.

This post fits perfectly a scum being opportunistic. Robbnva is having problems with early townreads, so what would stop scum from supporting him and make stupid lynches?

I believe this was the first non RVS vote of the game. How informed do you want it to be...? Read it in context please.

The bolded argument is incorrect, I didn't get a town read from the firstest post, but rather the next posts.

I find it pretty opportunistic the way you straight supported Robbnva at "can be easily faked" (see the bolded argument).

[Smithereens]

@Creature, your stated reason for your town reads is that you don't think scum would push like that. This 'push' you referenced was literally their first post. I'm not sure what Robbnva has to do with this either.

[Eggman]

Okay so scum team is dragon, crazy and eggman. Thoughts?

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

Well other than a slight(EMPASIS ON SLIGHT) scum read on Robb, I can't think on who to vote for

I was going to vote for atm based on Page 3 but his recent posts are much better, so this is where I'm at right now.

Have your reads changed any? Do you have anyone you'd rather vote for now?

[Robbnva]

Just a heads up. Going to be limited for a day or so. Got some sort of allergic reaction and my right eye has basically swollen shut. Once I'm better I'll be back posting again.

[Dwlee99]

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

uh yea?

[Creature]

Okay so scum team is dragon, crazy and eggman. Thoughts?

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

Well other than a slight(EMPASIS ON SLIGHT) scum read on Robb, I can't think on who to vote for

I was going to vote for atm based on Page 3 but his recent posts are much better, so this is where I'm at right now.

Have your reads changed any? Do you have anyone you'd rather vote for now?

Looks like a forced post.

[Dwlee99]

Well, most of you are right that there's content. The problem is the serious lack of alignment-indicative content.
Derek, though, has a muddy ISO. Most of it is trying to "stay in the flow" and joke with Dwlee. His f-oh-ex vote is bad. He hasn't posted real content at this point, yet criticised Fox for doing so.
VOTE: Derek12
I'll be chilling here.

fe
pedit eggman continues to bother me with every post he makes so agreed

[Dwlee99]

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

like this feels like he is attempting to say I scum slipped or something which is just

[Creature]

^ I haven't made that post btw

[Creature]

Hello, everyone! General question: what's your favorite dessert?
VOTE: Creature (I won't lurk this time if you don't.)

Town {Derek12}
Null {Everyone else}
Scum {Eggman, Crazy, Robbnva}

Dwlee: Why us in particular?

UNVOTE: Creature[/vote]

If you can't see how it's easy to fake pushes early game then yes you are absolutely inexperienced. I've faked pushes late game as scum so early game is a breeze

Sounds like it would be making a case on someone with little to no evidence, or voting for them on a really bad reason.

Hello, everyone! General question: what's your favorite dessert?
VOTE: Creature (I won't lurk this time if you don't.)

Hello, I am not lurking, what about you?

I was asleep.

Dwlee and Robbnva's banter, to me, implies some sort of familiarity between the two, even though they're opposing each other.
F-oh-ex

Jsyk, this

is

my first game outside of Road to Rome. Go ahead, be a condescending prick and call me an idiot.

A little AtE-ey.

I'll ask you a question before my phone dies. What's your thoughts of atm who I basically guided him towards things he could give an opinion on and instead of doing that just started questioning me.

Dwlee, don't think you ever answered this

I can see him doing that as town or scum

So far Dwlee's given this answer twice. I think he's using that as an excuse to not form reads on the specific players, or to get out of not having them. Feels a little scummy to me. His 144 feels to me like he realized the above argument and thought it through.

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

Where do you see him being antagonistic?
I'll put my

Vote

on

Smithereens

for now, because I want to hear more from him.

Whoops.
UNVOTE: Creature*

Okay so scum team is dragon, crazy and eggman. Thoughts?

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

Well other than a slight(EMPASIS ON SLIGHT) scum read on Robb, I can't think on who to vote for

I was going to vote for atm based on Page 3 but his recent posts are much better, so this is where I'm at right now.

Have your reads changed any? Do you have anyone you'd rather vote for now?

I don't see any scum hunting here.

[Creature]

Post 5 is an RQS that isn't even game-related.

Post 36 looks like scum trying to make Dwlee townread him.

Post 165 has no conclusion.

Post 188 sounds like pure noise/scum questioning.

[Creature]

VOTE: Eggman

[Creature]

@Creature, your stated reason for your town reads is that you don't think scum would push like that. This 'push' you referenced was literally their first post. I'm not sure what Robbnva has to do with this either.

"referenced"

Would like to see where I referenced the first post.

[Eggman]

I just realized I forgot that ending. Thanks Creature
What I was going to say was, F-oh-ex, Robb, and Dragon were the only ones to respond to my question.
On 188, I wanted to make a post to show I was reading, but I wasn't really sure what to say, so. Uh.
If it helps discussion any, right now I townread Dwlee, Dragon, and Creature.
Dwlee, because of the back-and-forth between him and Robb and his responses (they left me with a good feeling)
Dragon, because of gut mostly
and Creature, because in the other game I played with it (where it was mafioso) it didn't really post a lot and mostly lurked, and today it's been one of the most active players.