Mini 1802: Paint Mafia Sequel - Game Over!

[pieguyn]

can we please not turn this into a deadline scramble?

there is literally no reason we can't talk about this tomorrow - what usually winds up happening when everyone runs around at the deadline is that scum takes advantage of it and pushes through whichever lynch is incorrect. I do not want to see that happening and I still do not see anything remotely town from Aris' slot.

[Aristophanes]

tsq/katsuki are a scum lean because my predecessor was heavily scum reading tsq (although I personally am null on the slot)

This is a weird reason for a read. JS.
Call me hypocritical, but I forgot you were in this game....

Also, Wtf is this?

I thought you were scummy but pie put it into words.

Like, I've seen you articulate scumreads well. Why do you seem like you're backpacking on Pie's

claiming that you are confirmable is towny if you do confirm yourself.

This again?
I really dislike this.
Like, She said she'll confirm herself, let it go!
I think there is a difference in how Itle and TBG approached this, and it's giving me very opposite reads.

pip's defense actually feels p genuine to me. i dig it. not sure what about it is, i just like it.

also hey there's something i wanna bring up but i dont wanna do it now so if i dont remember next game day, someone pls quote this an be like "yo nahdia what was going through your beautiful brain back in this post?"

i dont want lala today. i want spiffeh.

Did this happen? I didn't see this happen.

Okay, so Pie is totally towny. I can't see any of the posts or motivation coming from scum. I'd defend this to my death.

Aaand right after I type this i read...

considering whether pie is scum actually

Why!?
They haven't done anything at all scummy.
Like, this read is dumb.
(I still think you're rad though!)

I like being carried

VOTE: Dwlee getting tired of this.

Oh shush itle. Im tired of having no clue about who is scum except for lala too.

Nope. This is totally fake. Either SvT or SvS bussing.
Like, I can't even put into words how fake this feels!
Oh my god, they keep it going!

pieguy is town, didn't like that post from lala at all. The whole 'thinking out loud' feels gimmicky tbh.

pieguy is town, didn't like that post from lala at all. The whole 'thinking out loud' feels gimmicky tbh.

hey wow we agree

why dont you actually vote lala then

I don't know who is worse!
This doesn't feel like the Dwlee I know more than the Itle I know though.

VOTE: Dwlee

[lalaladucks]

not dwlee, aristo. he's town.

Spoiler: (my reason)

I like being carried

pieguy is town, didn't like that post from lala at all. The whole 'thinking out loud' feels gimmicky tbh.

hey wow we agree

why dont you actually vote lala then

see i don't think dwlee can be scum b/c he's doing nothing except try to get people to lynch me. if i'm lynched, i flip town, people go well hm who is incriminated by that flip?
pie? well yeah she pushed that pretty hard so might be scumz but at least she had

reasons

who else
hmm
oh yeah dwlee! dwlee? what's that guy done ALL GAME? let's iso him ah yes let's see......... well. not much here apart from trying to get lala lynched

like CAN SCUM ACTUALLY BE THAT DUMB? that they would do -basically nothing- apart from making pretty much contentless posts and trying to convince people to vote me

so congrats dwlee you've earned yourself a townread from this duck by not playing well

[Aristophanes]

Holy shit, give us an estimated timeframe or eat a lynch. The 'for obvious reasons' don't work miss 'top tier'. If you get to push through however many days you want out of some vague promise of confirmability that is not the same thing as confirmable after d1. You have no content worth anything if you aren't going to be confirmed ASAP. All of it is buddying and talking about how you are going to be confirmed. You managed to completely dodge the flip phase by that argument, which right now doesn't make any sense to me from TownRanger. Town that might be confirmable if a certain night action occurs (because let's be honest that part of your role is super obvious) usually doesn't out that info unless they are under a lot of pressure in which they claim some nonsabatogable information about how they are confirmable or if they aren't under that pressure

they shouldn't claim

this feels to me like scum that got excited by the fact that they might have a way to appear as what they view as confTown at some point in the game and didn't actually go through the mentality of town in that position.

Basically a). your conf has to be mod confirmed and b). it has to be before d3.

If you can't do those things then you have a lot of work to do with your content. I'm used to Ranger being super useful and generally pretty obvtown, and ignoring your claim you are at snarky levels of content so get cracking.

Also while we are talking about bad reads explain the UTL one please.

Holy shit. This is so, so bad!

Can we do this instead of Dwlee? I can't believe a) that he is so adamant on this (as if he's really worried about it) and b) that it's, like, all he is talking about. Like, talk about using this claim to pretend to generate content!

VOTE: Itle

Ninja'd
I'll read your spoiler, Lalalala.

[Aristophanes]

not dwlee, aristo. he's town.

Spoiler: (my reason)

I like being carried

pieguy is town, didn't like that post from lala at all. The whole 'thinking out loud' feels gimmicky tbh.

hey wow we agree

why dont you actually vote lala then

see i don't think dwlee can be scum b/c he's doing nothing except try to get people to lynch me. if i'm lynched, i flip town, people go well hm who is incriminated by that flip?
pie? well yeah she pushed that pretty hard so might be scumz but at least she had

reasons

who else
hmm
oh yeah dwlee! dwlee? what's that guy done ALL GAME? let's iso him ah yes let's see......... well. not much here apart from trying to get lala lynched

like CAN SCUM ACTUALLY BE THAT DUMB? that they would do -basically nothing- apart from making pretty much contentless posts and trying to convince people to vote me

so congrats dwlee you've earned yourself a townread from this duck by not playing well

Hmm...
I mean, Dwlee is a very good player...

I'll consider this.
He isn't usually so one dimensional tohugh.

[Aristophanes]

Hey, proddodge for the next couple hours. I'll be posting properly then (or at least reading properly again.)

hey buddy your iso is vacuous, chuck us a readslist?

Would that honestly be helpfula t this point?

{Nina}
{Nahdia}
{Katsuki}
{Bellaphant}
{Dwlee, Aristophanes, Spiffeh}
{itlepip}
{laladucks}
{TehBrawlGuy}
{UpTooLate}
{pie}

surprised to see pie that low tbh
and aristophanes that high?????

Yeah, I agree with this.
Buuuut, I await their apparently obvious revelation that sbsolutely can't happen D1 in order to gauge their alignment.
And I think they are town.

Why are people saying my posts were good but still not entertaining Bella as scum

like at all?

Who is calling your posts good?

Me. Because he's town.
Stop it with the doubtcasting, Scum!

[Aristophanes]

wallsaubeni

Wallsenubeni.
What was I even...
Lmao

Ari's beetlejuicing (lol, tbg) is suspect though: ari, even if you are skimming some of the walls, which, admittedly I am this week, what's your take on the general game state? What do you think is going on with pie/ranger? Have you had much experience with stream of consciousness lala? Because I don't think I have, which is what's making me 0.0 my meta read.

Town-Town. I think they are a strong force, even if they disagree. Ranger is town Via claim, Pie via play.

As I say, first game with Lalala, but I likes them!

[itlepip]

Ari A). How are my posts, ignoring Dwlee for a second, at all awkward? How is that relevant to my alignment at all. B). FTR I just found my notes I mentally just screwed up Spiffeh is a townread, really glad I found these. C). My whole reason for making that wall was that Ranger's claim should no longer be a pass for the shit content she has given so far, the dumb circumstance in which she claimed and amount of stuff she is hiding just in order to say that sometime during the game, probably before lylo, the mod will confirm her. The reason that I did that whole thing is because it is super important that people don't just call Ranger town and just let the game slip by when her claim is that garbage.

[Aristophanes]

how could i possibly have a read on aris

that's exactly the point. what do you make of the fact that he's done literally nothing this entire game?

contrast, for instance, Spiffeh, who despite not being here a lot of the game at least gave reads and attempted to accomplish things while he *was* here (i.e. the read on you and the push on bella). Aris has just done literally fucking nothing.

I can't argue this. I have been useless.

VOTE: Aristophanes
DEADLINE WAGON GOOOO

*Sigh*
Why? Because I'm not here, and thus easy to wagon?

I like Aristo's comments on the flip phase, but her lack of scumhunting bothers me a lot. It's pretty standard scumplay to make good neutral points about the set-up/mechanics but not actually find scum. I'm happy with a VOTE: aristo.

Lol, I am male. Though I get this a lot for some reason.
Even IRL...

I stand by my posts about the Flip phase. I have been unavailable since, so yeah. My bad.
Do you have a readslist though? I would love to know your general stanves on people.

VOTE: Spiffeh

Fucking no!
Why the fuck even???

to be perfectly clear, I don't buy that Aris thinks this game is "too many words" and that this somehow precludes him from trying to read the game. even if I'm posting a lot (which tbh I'm really, really not), the rest of this game is fairly light as far as content goes. I think he's struggling to come up with a way to fake content, and just coming up with excuses not to have to post because he doesn't want to risk making himself look worse off it.

@lala,

are you going to join us on Aris, and are you going to address my response to you?

Ridiculous.
This is making me look worse. Why would I continue it after being called out on it??

So close to caught up!!!
Finally!

Aw shit, another Ninja.

[Aristophanes]

Ari A). How are my posts, ignoring Dwlee for a second, at all awkward? How is that relevant to my alignment at all. B). FTR I just found my notes I mentally just screwed up Spiffeh is a townread, really glad I found these. C). My whole reason for making that wall was that Ranger's claim should no longer be a pass for the shit content she has given so far, the dumb circumstance in which she claimed and amount of stuff she is hiding just in order to say that sometime during the game, probably before lylo, the mod will confirm her. The reason that I did that whole thing is because it is super important that people don't just call Ranger town and just let the game slip by when her claim is that garbage.

Itle.
A)

Well, that could be another reasons nina was left off of pip's readslists.

I could vote there, or do I got to revote spiffeh after the flip?

What, I didn't put town on my readlist? Or is Nina a godfather where I metagamed this?

Awkward. Like, the way you call this out doesn't seem natural or towny.

Everything at Ranger seems awkeard as well. Like you're unsure ho to approach that claim. Like, this

Ranger if you are gambiting say it now because you are not living d2 if you say it then

is fucking terrible!
If they were going to say it, they would have already. If not, what is the goddamsed point?
You dance around the fire so much before jumping in. How is this towny?

I don't like how hard you are pushing this at all.

Also, you townread her, from this, yes? Yet you doubt the claim??
This reads like you're trying to pass off your read as going either way, should she actually flip.
What did you dislike so much about TBG scumreading Ranger if you yourself didn't buy the claim, hunh?

VOTE: Dwlee getting tired of this.

This isn't an awkward interaction?
Oh, right. Sans Dwlee.
Oh well.

pieguy is town, didn't like that post from lala at all. The whole 'thinking out loud' feels gimmicky tbh.

Is "Gimmisky| scum? Why snd hoe??

pieguy is town, didn't like that post from lala at all. The whole 'thinking out loud' feels gimmicky tbh.

hey wow we agree

why dont you actually vote lala then

because the person I'm voting is waaay more frustrating.

*Insert rage here*
Why not vote someone scummy instead of someone frustrating!?!?!?
This is not a towny mindset!

its like people think I just haven't thought about voting for lala and them telling me will change my mind.

Also like, WTF.
This post reeks of Scum trying to stay cool.

That's enough for A) I think.

B) i. How convenient. What else do these magical notes say?
ii. Why the fuck are you still voting him then!? If you sduddenlly realized he was a townread, you'd fucking unvote him, no?

C) If Ranger doesn't get NK'd for this claim, and makes it to D3 without posting anything that confirms her, then I'll consider it. But until then, Ranger is a townread and, though maybe not sheeped, should be treated as Innocent until proven guilty.
If she doesn't deliver, she's scum. Nothing to worry about there.

Now, Imma finish the last few pages and go to bed.

[itlepip]

I thought I was voting Dwlee from the thing, VOTE: Dwlee

[Aristophanes]

I kinda lol'd. I figured that when I backed off and offered Aris as a potential counterwagon, lala would probably find some bullshit reason to not want to support the wagon and go to vote someone else.

Meaning..Lala scumread?
Because I don't see it.

actually wait i didnt realize we're this close to the deadline people are just gonna apathy lynch aristo unless i do this arent they

Gladiate: Zulfy

Lol this.
don't actually know what to make of this

*holds out wing*

Squirrels don't have wings!

[Aristophanes]

I thought I was voting Dwlee from the thing, VOTE: Dwlee

No response to anything I said?
Seriously??

[itlepip]

I will later.

[Aristophanes]

I will later.

Okay.
I'm off to bed now anyway.

[pieguyn]

I actually really don't see anything compelling in Aris' catchup. I don't like a lot of what he said about itle and I don't like that he mostly just focused entirely on dwlee or itle throughout the entire catchup without any focus elsewhere (except for me apparently being his strongest town read). seriously, try to count the number of times he mentions other people outside of those three in his catchup - it's literally just him making passing comments about itle or dwlee, commenting about me being town, or explicitly responding to people pressuring him. I might be being too harsh with this as it's essentially a last-minute catchup done with less than 1 RL day on the deadline, but I specifically take issue of a lot of what he wrote in his posts.

Nope. This is totally fake. Either SvT or SvS bussing.
Like, I can't even put into words how fake this feels!
Oh my god, they keep it going!

this is scummy for reasons which I hopefully shouldn't have to explain. _seriously_?

Can we do this instead of Dwlee? I can't believe a) that he is so adamant on this (as if he's really worried about it) and b) that it's, like, all he is talking about. Like, talk about using this claim to pretend to generate content!

this is a pretty blatant misrep of what itle has actually been doing in this game. he most certainly is not "just talking about" Ranger's claim - he's talked about it a lot, yes, but he's clearly giving reads elsewhere, i.e. how he liked lala's reads list at first, the scum read on TBG, the town read on me, coming around to seeing where I was coming from on lala-scum later. you trying to pass it off like it's "all he's talking about" reads like a huge oversimplification and a kind of thing I see coming from scum a lot because it's an easy way to handwave the majority of what someone is actually posting.

is fucking terrible!
If they were going to say it, they would have already. If not, what is the goddamsed point?
You dance around the fire so much before jumping in. How is this towny?

itle's intent here was fairly obvious. up to that point, Ranger really hadn't specified anything specific about her role, and no one had attempted to ask Ranger to make her claim more explicit and confirm she wasn't gambiting. he pretty clearly thought that Ranger hadn't done this yet because no one had explicitly prompted her to do so. what you're doing here is typical scum behavior - you're ignoring the obvious motivation for what itle is doing here to assign some cosmic scum motivation to it instead.

Also, you townread her, from this, yes? Yet you doubt the claim??
This reads like you're trying to pass off your read as going either way, should she actually flip.
What did you dislike so much about TBG scumreading Ranger if you yourself didn't buy the claim, hunh?

what I dislike here is that the conclusion here didn't really make any sense. he's basically saying that he was criticizing TBG's attack on Ranger and that this means that he had to have been town reading Ranger for it. now, there are legitimate issues you might take with itle's treatment of Ranger, but this is not one of them - poking TBG over the way he's pushing her doesn't in any way imply you necessarily think Ranger is town. the most obvious example is that he had some doubt over Ranger's claim but had more doubt over the way TBG was pushing it... questioning Ranger's claim and questioning TBG's push aren't mutually exclusive. "he's trying to be deliberately ambiguous about what his read on Ranger is" reads more like he's trying to nitpick semantics to fit a predetermined read than actually considering motivation, especially when you consider there are *so many* valid angles he could have pushed here instead ... i.e. "it's hypocritical of him to be so skeptical of TBG if he had been skeptical of Ranger's claim himself", or "he's trying to sit on the sidelines and doubtcast Ranger's claim rather than directly pushing her over it" or anything along those lines

I would like if people can tell me if they agree/disagree with this and why.

[Ranger]

you're saying you think 555 is more likely to have been written by scumpie, therefore the content of the post is more likely to be pie telling the truth?

In my experience?

Yes.

I, frankly, feel the scum this game are doing a lot of white knighting of town...purely because they can do so safely, since everyone wants to lynch town.

[Ranger]

Zulfy if you didn't replace UTL I would be voting you right now.

Hint: UTL was scum.

[pieguyn]

8 hours :/

I need to go to sleep, so I probably won't be back before the deadline hits. keep calm and lynch Aris.

[Nahdia]

I should be around for the deadline.

[Bellaphant]

Me too.

Honestly I think pip could be town. Dwlee im really not sure of. I need to go read the last few pages again

[Dwlee99]

hi I'm here

[Spiffeh]

Yes all of you please vote for Ari

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: aristophanes
since nothing else is happening I guess

[Bellaphant]

Is that l-1? I'm not into their catch-up and their reads look forced.

Im intenting. Will be back in an hour or so.