Newbie 1717: Newbies Through the Looking Glass (Game Over)

[Simoyd]

Yes. Either postie or blank has to die today. I think both provide about the same information once they flip.

I favor blank for my vote, but since I get yelled at whenever I put someone at L-1, I'll leave myself unvoted for now...

I no longer think Lycan should be lynched today, but I will be questioning his shit once I get home.

[RadiantCowbells]

How's Simoyd/Lycan?

[innocentvillager]

How's Simoyd/Lycan?

I actually kind of buy that as a possibility given Simoyd's recent posting, but Blank is just too scummy to ignore.

[Simoyd]

811

[innocentvillager]

Lol I don't like how Lycan almost got lynched so quickly. What's the rush guys, we have almost 2 weeks left to discuss?

Anyway, I'm not that sure of Blank/Lycan scumteam, because Blank said Lycan is his top town read. I think if they were scum they would try to distance themselves. And it's always a good strategy for a scum to call someone else than his scumbuddy a strong town read for two reasons:

1) If the townread dies and flips, it will look good on the scum
2) If the scum dies, everyone will suspect the townread as his scumbuddy

So yeah, I think that it's possible that this is happening between Blank and Lycan.

VOTE: BlankFace

I'm confused, you first say it's not likely they are partners, but at the end, you say it's possible they are and you vote Blank?

At this point I'm not surprised that Blank has Lycan as top town--it makes sense as scum at this point. Lycan/Blank scumteam is the #1 choice right now for good reason, and to dispel that, one way to go about it is for Blank to throw out as much towntells about Lycan as possible, even after Blank ends up flipping scum. It's not necessarily an associative tell, but it's not always good to distance, especially when most people are pegging the correct scumteam. There are other things that make me think Blank/Lycan are scumteam together, but not this.

[innocentvillager]

811

Yes, and?

I probably wouldn't have hammered, anyway. I don't see the point in shortening the day and denying town further information to make sure Lycan/Blank is the scumteam.

[innocentvillager]

How's Simoyd/Lycan?

Now that I think about it, RC, this is much more unlikely given Simoyd's willingness to put Lycan at L-1 recklessly.

[RadiantCowbells]

How's Simoyd/Lycan?

Now that I think about it, RC, this is much more unlikely given Simoyd's willingness to put Lycan at L-1 recklessly.

People panic bus all the time.

[Harkonnen97]

@IV

I meant that it's possible that Blank is trying to do that on Lycan, not that Blank is scumbuddy with Lycan.

[innocentvillager]

How's Simoyd/Lycan?

Now that I think about it, RC, this is much more unlikely given Simoyd's willingness to put Lycan at L-1 recklessly.

People panic bus all the time.

Sure, but I still think it's much less likely that someone would do that, especially a newbie.

[Simoyd]

Trying to scumread for something I could have quoted from day1 had I not been on my phone, then lynching Accountant anyway.

I did indeed have a scum lean on you yesterday. Today I mentioned that the posts you made today were suspicious. In 763 I'm testing the bounds of various possible setups, because

people's opinions change post-flip.

How is that useless?

All you're doing is testing whether they read the previous day (hint: at least one claimed they haven't. Yes it's very useless. Meanwhile I was brought to L-1 right afterwards, by yourself no less. What does this do for the town?

As I stated: people's opinions change post-flip. Analysing people's opinions is good for town.

What do we gain from lynching him and losing a townie?

So you think postie is town? You think titus' read was wrong?

People were voting Blank and leaving. You want me to say nothing when I should be scum incarnate if I let this lynch go through after killing the Blank lynch for the same reason day 1. The same reasoning applies. We need for fight and find scum #2, debate the two flips and pick apart the Accountant wagon. Voting without doing this is lazy at worst and.. No it's just lazy regardless of alignment. And bad.

Who are you talking about exactly here? Who do you think is being lazy?

Spoiler: The rest

lycan has been doing nothing but positioning. Admitting that his posts are useless, but ultimately something motivates him to keep hitting that 'submit' button...

So I shouldn't post at all while I'm at work? I have a damn good reason to keep hitting that submit button, like how I know there must be scum on the Accountant wagon. You, IV, RC, Postie, Hark. You're all fair game to me. Make a post I don't like and I'm going to jump on you. So far, RC is good. IV has gone missing, no thanks to you for pulling out your chainsaw. Consider misreping me not just today, but the "tonal" arguments from yesterday to be one hell of a good scum lean on you. Whether Postie is the second scum, I'm not sure, beyond sheeping RC again today she isn't giving me anything beyond killing town, that's pretty bad Postie! Hark is still good, because paradoxically hammering Accountant proves he was paranoid about Titus on the trigger

Not the first time blank friended lycan. Looks like lycan is omitting blank 752

@Postie: What is your current position on Lycan?
@Blank: What is your current position on Lycan?

Starting to like lycan/blank more as 752 left out blank

I replied to a post of yours yesterday of my second choice behind Blank. I said Postie or yourself. You could have scumread that yesterday.

More useless posts. Here's another.

Upset at being called on it?

being called on what?

Trying to scumread for something I could have quoted from day1 had I not been on my phone, then lynching Accountant anyway.

I'm obv not at home at the time but misrepresenting the argument in the above exchange when I don't have the time to cut and paste quotes on my phone sure is helping us a lot today

because i have no intention of making a helpful post until i get home tonight, and if others want to do the same i'm happy to point it out

Kicker:

@Simoyd

You or Postie. Reason: on the Accountant wagon instead of the Pants/Snoe/Blank one. Postie basically said she would go along with RC's read, meanwhile you've been on Accountant for awhile now, but you keep questioning my tone. These are one-sided comments. What do you want me to say, if anything? This makes me feel like you're working against me rather than considering the possibility we're on the same team. Meepo/Hark is good. RC is probably ok. Grace's slot was in a good position if she was scum, all she had to do was post. Most liked her. I have doubts that Accountant or IV are Blank's partner.

You *or* Postie. I said Titus/Accountant let me pursue other leads, like you and Postie, and this quote proves I wasn't saying Postie/Simoyd scumteam. This was in reply to you no less day 1.

This whole debate between us popped up because of 748 followed by 752. You're right, a mistake was made. I assumed that the combination of those two posts meant that you no longer thought of blank as scum. Then instead of just stating the contradiction directly, you decided to rant on and make some crazy convoluted argument against our misunderstanding (see the spoiler above). So thanks for finally clearing that up three pages later. I still think 743 made by IV was reasonable, and 748, 752 and 753 (all made by you, IV) are all just posturing, which you even admitted in 753. I don't see how this posturing is good for town.

[Simoyd]

I still wanna lynch Blank. Is it still too early for L-1? What else would people like to discuss?

[Harkonnen97]

Postie why do you put so much trust into RC?

[Postie]

Postie why do you put so much trust into RC?

You mean like why am I townreading him?

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie why do you put so much trust into RC?

You mean like why am I townreading him?

I third this question.

[Postie]

I mean, I've seen RC do that before, but it was accompanied by actual reasoning and... well, I'm not going to tell RC what not to do if he wants to fake something like that again in future in have me fall for it. What he's doing here, though, is kind-of asking people to be suspicious of him after an Accountant townflip. I'm pretty sure he's town.

[Postie]

I mean you wrote up that case on Accountant but before I replaced in you seemed to genuinely be okay with letting a lynch go through there without one.

[Harkonnen97]

Well, it looks to me like you have too much information Postie. You keep mentioning Accountant, but I belive we are forgetting a more important thing - Grace's slot. Initially, you townread Grace (which ended up being correct),

but then, just because RC started throwing suspicioun on Titus

, you changed your view by 180 degrees on the slot. You rely on RC for creating the reads and then you support then, but how do you know that RC is town in the first place? The only role that could know that is Mafia Goon.

Your defense against the murder of Titus is the WIFOM argument that since you were being scumread by her, it would be a bad idea to kill her, as it looks bad to you. I'm not denying the possibility of you being town, and Mafia doing this to put bad light on you, but I'm also not denying the possibility of you killing her, because she seemed like a really strong player to me. From the perspective of Scum!Postie, letting Titus live today would mean you or Blank would get lynched today.

If both Postie and Blank are town then I swear scum deserves to win this game.

VOTE: Postie

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 2.2

Take some more tea.
- I've had nothing yet, so I can't take more.

BlankFace

(2): innocentvillager, Lycanfire

Lycanfire

(1): Postie

Simoyd

(1): BlankFace

Postie

(1): Harkonnen97

Not Voting

: Harkonnen97, RadiantCowbells, Simoyd

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-07-11 11:14:49)

[Harkonnen97]

Also Postie yesterday I asked you who would you kill if you were scum. Why didn't you answer?

[Simoyd]

Postie, I think if your town pool was static such that you only left enough room for fake scum reads when you were scum, then that would be an immediate tell day 1 if you were town or not. The fact that you brought it up means you're aware of it, so I doubt that scum-postie would leave room and display such a tell. With this context, pointing it out seems like posturing.

[Simoyd]

This is even more suspicious coming from you when you've made such an attempt to hide other people's tells, saying you're sure I'm town but don't want to say why, and you're sure RC is town but not saying what he does when he's scum. I think most people would value keeping their own tells secret more than keeping other people's tells secret. If you value being able to read other people's tells so much, then I would think you'd value keeping your own tells secret even more.

The whole thing just sounds manipulative

[RadiantCowbells]

What about Simoyd/Postie?

[innocentvillager]

Given that neither Lycan nor Blank are in that scumteam, I'll take a hard pass.

[Lycanfire]

Simoyd/Postie looks pretty compelling if you go back through their ISOs/interactions of day 1, but if you go with the Postie as scum theory just about anyone that isn't Blank or myself is pretty good for being her scumpartner. For instance, just about everything I could say about Simoyd/Postie I could say about you, RC, except rather than Simoyd sheeping Postie at one point, Postie has been sheeping you instead. IV wouldn't have this in his case, but of the four possible scum partners I'd consider, he was the most rigid in his scumpool, matching Postie. Hark shows up and makes a good post, or a clueless one every so often so I would struggle to pin him with someone. Being the starting vote on Postie makes me the least suspicious of him.