Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Creature]

VOTE: crazycrabman

[crazycrabman]

Also, I feel Robbnva is either very set in his ways and doesn't like people not agreeing with him, or he is trying to push ways of thinking which points him as town.

Pushing ways of thinking isn't town to me. Scum would definitely try to use suddle logical fallicies or misrepresent ways of thinking to get mislynches or people on their side

Yeah, that's the scum side.

[Dragon of the West]

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

You're putting a person that has never posted onto the scum team? For real?

[Creature]

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

You're putting a person that has never posted onto the scum team? For real?

Are you even reading?

[crazycrabman]

All I've done this last few pages is criticize you and Robbnva, why would that change your mind and make you vote for me? Are you uncomfortable with criticism?

[crazycrabman]

Last post of mine directed to creature

[Creature]

Because your read changes if someone calls you out (Robbnva and me).

[Dragon of the West]

There is. He never posted. He's scum reading a vacant slot

Lol yup I find that hilarious

[crazycrabman]

Because your read changes if someone calls you out (Robbnva and me).

I'll take that as a yes

[Dragon of the West]

Also, I feel Robbnva is either very set in his ways and doesn't like people not agreeing with him, or he is trying to push ways of thinking which points him as town.

Pushing ways of thinking isn't town to me. Scum would definitely try to use suddle logical fallicies or misrepresent ways of thinking to get mislynches or people on their side

Yeah, that's the scum side.

But you said that pointed him as town sooo...

[Dragon of the West]

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

You're putting a person that has never posted onto the scum team? For real?

Are you even reading?

I've been working my way through and commenting as I read rather than go through ALL of it just to go back and quote/comment

[crazycrabman]

Also, I feel Robbnva is either very set in his ways and doesn't like people not agreeing with him, or he is trying to push ways of thinking which points him as town.

Pushing ways of thinking isn't town to me. Scum would definitely try to use suddle logical fallicies or misrepresent ways of thinking to get mislynches or people on their side

Yeah, that's the scum side.

But you said that pointed him as town sooo...

No, the town side is him very set in his ways and not liking when people go against that. The scum side is him pushing his way of thinking.

Pedit- Ohhhhh, I just read my post. That was a mistype. Sorry

[Dragon of the West]

Also, I feel Robbnva is either very set in his ways and doesn't like people not agreeing with him, or he is trying to push ways of thinking which points him as town.

Pushing ways of thinking isn't town to me. Scum would definitely try to use suddle logical fallicies or misrepresent ways of thinking to get mislynches or people on their side

Yeah, that's the scum side.

But you said that pointed him as town sooo...

No, the town side is him very set in his ways and not liking when people go against that. The scum side is him pushing his way of thinking.

Pedit- Ohhhhh, I just read my post. That was a mistype. Sorry

Okay yeah it was just that last word that got me

[Dwlee99]

okay actually the push on creature for putting someone who hasn't posted in his possible scum team is total bull crap.
I've done things like that before, where I say the scum team is in:
blahblahblah
not necessarily because everyone in that list I am scum reading super hard, but rather because I am using process of elimination and removing everyone I am town reading.
VOTE: crazy

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Day 1 #08

Smithereens [

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Eggman

Creature [

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Robbnva

Derek12 [

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MarioManiac4

Eggman [

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Dragon of the West

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Smithereens

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atm487

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F-oh-ex

crazycrabman [

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Derek12

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Creature

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Dwlee99

Abstaining [3]:

Akigoku / crazycrabman /

stelo

There are 13 active players.
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Spoiler: Current player list

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Smithereens

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Creature

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MarioManiac4

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Robbnva

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Dwlee99

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stelo

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Dragon of the West

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Derek12

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Akigoku

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F-oh-ex

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Eggman

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atm487

[13]

crazycrabman

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Deadline is

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((expired on 2016-07-07 00:00:00)).

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I've removed stelo's vote as he and Agikogu are being replaced.

[crazycrabman]

okay actually the push on creature for putting someone who hasn't posted in his possible scum team is total bull crap.
I've done things like that before, where I say the scum team is in:
blahblahblah
not necessarily because everyone in that list I am scum reading super hard, but rather because I am using process of elimination and removing everyone I am town reading.
VOTE: crazy

I agree, he push on creature for that was stupid, which is why i wasn't a part of it.

Unrelated question: Why the vote on me?

[Robbnva]

Who was using that as a reason to scum read him?

[Creature]

"Who said I was scumreading X because Y?"

[F-oh-ex]

I've been ISOing everybody and:
- Eggman has crumbed VT, which I find very unlikely he'd do that as scum.
- There are 6 players scum reading him excluding me.

So I am no longer scumreading Eggman.

This is utter scum. No you didn't ISO everyone that's pretty obvious, you're simply trying to make a reason to not scum read Eggman. Furthermore there are 6 players scum reading him means that clearly a lot of townies are scum reading him, why the fuck is that a reason to cancel your scum read??

Answer is it isn't. You don't have any reason to stop scum reading him since we both know your first reason is clearly BS. The second reason however is the one which stinks the most.

Imo Creature is likely scum with Eggman. Let's flip Eggman for a better idea.

Major town points to Smithereens for this post, I agree with pretty much everything stated there.

I'd discount the number of people voting him, but honestly his crumb is pretty much genuine, so he's either VT or was planning to claim that, but I don't expect him to plan his claim tbh. Also, he's actually trying to contribute, which is a towntell for someone that looks pretty much mislynch bait (I've already played with him).

Quite a few people were weirded out that Eggman claimed to have crumbed while no one found any crumbs. He later admitted he was "going to crumb" but didn't manage to (it was called out that it's a blatant lie, too). You, on the other hand, did 'find' his crumb and continue to talk about Eggman as if he DID crumb...

I can only see him doing that as scum if someone told him to.

Seeing how daytalk is enabled, that's not improbable.

I can only see him doing that as scum if someone told him to.

but you see him doing it as town? when he has never done an RQS ever before

Oooh, I like that post. Creature seems to base himself on meta a lot so catching this inconsistency is very good.

Neil Breen

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But I feel like we've been too focused on Eggman.

This is like your 4th attempt within 3 pages to shift the topic away from Eggman. (who was at L-2 at the moment)

atm487:

Do you have any scumreads that aren't Eggman currently?

so far, no, i'm still looking at all the posts, but other than Robb(only slight read) i can't think of anyone

Page 17 and you have one read...?
atm seems like a Village Idiot to me. The question is, are we going to policy him if he doesn't start to actually contribute? I don't want him to be the deciding vote in an important situation.

Yeah if your scum read is stronger on somebody else it's bad play to want to lynch the lesser scum read. Ugh now I'm not townreading you anymore.

I find Smithereens' explanation about how Egg and Creature are linked reads to him satisfactory. This scumhunting does feel genuine though, I guess I can agree to disagree with you on Smith for now. I will keep your words in mind though.

I actually think we learn more about eggman from a creature lynch than vice versa. Plus creature actually got caught in at least some dishonest postings.

vote: creature

Keeping an eye on smitherines though.

A proposal I can get behind, seeing how Creature is very scummy for the past few pages.

I think creature is the scum here.
VOTE: creature
it seems like creature is attempting to tie himself to egg.

Ooooh, a good observation. It makes sense, when one looks at what Smith posted (and probably a few people share that mindset): that a scumread on Creature will weaken if Egg flips Town.

Also, I feel Robbnva is either very set in his ways and doesn't like people not agreeing with him, or he is trying to push ways of thinking which points him as town.

I for one find his attitude a town tell, especially since he seems to be geniuinely scumhunting. I don't like how you say "either X or Y", where neither X nor Y brings much to the table.

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

So in no possible world you see eggman being scum, someone you were pushing against a few days ago.

Well, he did retract his scumread on eggman earlier. This post caused quite a discussion so I don't see how you'd miss it...

It might be that crab is pulling a strawman on a player who's acquired a lot of scumreads. Crab smells fishy to me but Creature isn't in a bad enough position for his scumpartner to desperaty join his wagon. And bussing day 1 seems to cripple Mafia so much that it's just unwise. Given that, I find it unlikely that Creature and crab are partners together and my read on Creature is much stronger (it also might give us info about Eggman).

My attitude has changed with these last few pages:
town {Smithereens}
townlean {Atm, Derek}
null {Dwlee, DotW, F-oh-ex}
scumlean {Eggman, Creature, Robnva, Mario*, Stelo*}
scum {}

*Due to inactivity

Dwlee's presence here is one of the strongest. How is he a NULL?

[Robbnva]

"Who said I was scumreading X because Y?"

What was the point of this?

[F-oh-ex]

The reads go as following:
Strong townreads - Robbnva, Smithereens
Townreads - Dwlee (I want to be careful here, however, because he seems to be a very good player and I wouldn't like to underestimate his manipulation abilities as Mafia), Dragon, atm (possible subject to policy earlier)
Null reads - MM4, stelo, Akigoku (aka lurk squad), Derek12 (just noticed I don't really have a read on him. Will ISO)
Scumreads [in that order] - Creature, Eggman, crazycrab (mutually exclusive to be scum with Creature)

UNVOTE: Eggman
VOTE: Creature

[Robbnva]

I agree with that last part about how dwlee can be a null read.

[F-oh-ex]

Err, "possible subject to policy earlier", I meant

later

. I forgot how to English there.

[crazycrabman]

I feel there is enough evidence to VOTE: Creature

[Creature]

Strong townreads - Robbnva, Smithereens

Oh nice, my flip will give info that scum will have an easy win.