Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

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Derek's ISO seems to contain a lot of genuine scumhunting. I particularly like #249 and #419. He's a townread to me.
How do I make neat links like Derek did in 249...

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Oh, by the way, my exams are over so I won't disappear for 2 days like I recently did from now on.

[crazycrabman]

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I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

[Creature]

The scum team must probably be Robbnva, crazycrabman and some lurksack.

[Robbnva]

Strong townreads - Robbnva, Smithereens

Oh nice, my flip will give info that scum will have an easy win.

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I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

Could you ISO Dwlee and get back to me with an elaboration on your read?

[Robbnva]

The scum team must probably be Robbnva, crazycrabman and some lurksack.

Have you even said why you think I'm scum? Catching you in a lie was some pretty damn good scum hunting and aside from omgus I can't imagine why anyone could be scum reading me. I'm making good logics posts left and right.

[Creature]

Mod

Can you prod MarioManiac4?

[Sméagol]

Creature

Can you stop asking for prods?
But I'll prod him.

[Robbnva]

Creature
Can you stop asking for prods?

2nd this request.

The mod is active. Let the mod do his own thing.

[crazycrabman]

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I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

Could you ISO Dwlee and get back to me with an elaboration on your read?

Yeah, so reading through his posts it seems to me that he is genuinely scum hunting. But like you said before, he could be manipulating us. Currently, not judging anything but his ISO, I would have him somewhere between townlean and town. But I am hesitant to give him that townlean because say Creature flips town and eggman flips town, then out of the options available, i would have him as one of the main people I am watching out for and have him in scumlean. I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me.

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I don't like how Creature made a post directly after the post where he was asked a question and completely ignored it.

[Robbnva]

I find it so anti-town saying that if I flip town you're going to lynch Eggman anyway, either your logic is bad or I got a reason to change my view on you.

Who said they would lynch egg anyway if you flip town? Smitherines nor I said that

You never answerd this question.

My approach is asking him to read my posts for the answers to my questions since I'm not able to quote them myself atm. What's wrong with that approach?

Or this one

"Who said I was scumreading X because Y?"

What was the point of this?

Or even this one.

Could you please?

Oh and I found the post where you said why you scum read me. Let me respond to that next

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@F-oh-ex
I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

Could you ISO Dwlee and get back to me with an elaboration on your read?

Yeah, so reading through his posts it seems to me that he is genuinely scum hunting. But like you said before, he could be manipulating us. Currently, not judging anything but his ISO, I would have him somewhere between townlean and town. But I am hesitant to give him that townlean because say Creature flips town and eggman flips town, then out of the options available, i would have him as one of the main people I am watching out for and have him in scumlean. I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me.

Well, of course that the reads change if a situation requires them to. And between townlean and town, huh? That's a major shift from null.
And notice that while I made a note about being afraid of Dwlee being a brilliant scum, that doesn't mean I don't townread him. Anyone could "go either way" so that's not a good reason for nullreading imo.

[Creature]

The scum team must probably be Robbnva, crazycrabman and some lurksack.

Have you even said why you think I'm scum? Catching you in a lie was some pretty damn good scum hunting and aside from omgus I can't imagine why anyone could be scum reading me. I'm making good logics posts left and right.

I'm now on you scum list.

- You discredited my reads
- You said you question what you find worth, yet I only see you questioning me or Eggman
- You refuse to go anywhere but me or Eggman
- It seems like you're positioning to get two mislynches

[Creature]

I find it so anti-town saying that if I flip town you're going to lynch Eggman anyway, either your logic is bad or I got a reason to change my view on you.

Who said they would lynch egg anyway if you flip town? Smitherines nor I said that

"I'm not sure on Eggman" = I'd lynch Eggman anyway

My approach is asking him to read my posts for the answers to my questions since I'm not able to quote them myself atm. What's wrong with that approach?

It looks dismissive.

"Who said I was scumreading X because Y?"

What was the point of this?

That looks like an excuse to put down your accusations.

[crazycrabman]

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I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

Could you ISO Dwlee and get back to me with an elaboration on your read?

Yeah, so reading through his posts it seems to me that he is genuinely scum hunting. But like you said before, he could be manipulating us. Currently, not judging anything but his ISO, I would have him somewhere between townlean and town. But I am hesitant to give him that townlean because say Creature flips town and eggman flips town, then out of the options available, i would have him as one of the main people I am watching out for and have him in scumlean. I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me.

Well, of course that the reads change if a situation requires them to. And between townlean and town, huh? That's a major shift from null.
And notice that while I made a note about being afraid of Dwlee being a brilliant scum, that doesn't mean I don't townread him. Anyone could "go either way" so that's not a good reason for nullreading imo.

So I guess my strategy needs revising. I don't see how that is alignment indicative though.

[Robbnva]

- You discredited my reads
- You said you question what you find worth, yet I only see you questioning me or Eggman
- You refuse to go anywhere but me or Eggman
- It seems like you're positioning to get two mislynches

How did I "discredit" your reads? Do you mean when I caught you lying about your reason for changing your opinion on egg or was it something else? Because that's a town move actually.

I haven't asked anyone else questions? Are you sure you are reading this game? Did you not see me question and even change my read on smitherines? Did you not see me question crab? I've questioned at least have of the player list.

How am I positioning to get 2 mislynches when I never said that I would go after egg if you flipped town? I said my view of egg would be "unsure" if you flipped town. I also said in a later post that the reason atm gave for his egg scum read actually played a factor into thinking egg could be town, I also mentioned egg made a post that looked townie. All that implies that I'm not really scum reading egg and also implies that I wouldn't be going after him.


Last thing, not directed at you but

@ atm

I guess I did vote you at some point. Somehow i forgot that.

[Sméagol]

For the record.

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MarioManiac4

has been prodded.

@Creature, just to add: if it's been longer than 3 days, it's fine to remind me, before that it's incredibly annoying.

Also for the record, like mentioned I'm searching for replacements for stelo and Akigoku, but I've had no volunteers so far. Their slots are currently inactive unfortunately.

[Robbnva]

I find it so anti-town saying that if I flip town you're going to lynch Eggman anyway, either your logic is bad or I got a reason to change my view on you.

Who said they would lynch egg anyway if you flip town? Smitherines nor I said that

"I'm not sure on Eggman" = I'd lynch Eggman anyway

My approach is asking him to read my posts for the answers to my questions since I'm not able to quote them myself atm. What's wrong with that approach?

It looks dismissive.

"Who said I was scumreading X because Y?"

What was the point of this?

That looks like an excuse to put down your accusations.

1. That's a reach. Plus I made a post (post 453) that implies I'm not scum reading egg and actually said his
Post looks like he's town so you are REALLY making up stuff here.

2. Being busy is dismissive? Uh not really

3. Nobody accused me of anything so how could I be putting the accusation down. I was asking him to clarify who he saw doing that because I didn't see anyone doing that.

[Robbnva]

And now I'm not sure what to make of egg

unvote

Lots to think about now

What made you question your decision?

Initially it came from my interaction with atm. When I read his reason for voting egg I found that reason to not be a good one. He's accused egg of doing something I'd expect from any player not trying to get lynched. Defend yourself but keep focusing on the game and trying to find scum. I also added in the fact that smitherines seemed to be pushing harder for an egg lynch yet I felt his posts imply that he is more suspect of creature. Creature was my top scum read also and him insisting that we learn more from an egg lynch over his top scum read was fundamentally wrong imo and I didn't feel good about being on that wagon. I also decided to Iso egg and thought his post 267 wasn't bad. He is giving some reasons and explaining himself and he didn't look frazzled doing it. Plus whether I agree with him or not he comes off as genuine about his "crumb" explanation.

[Robbnva]

Also I think egg town slipped and I don't think it was a "fake" town slip so while I still question why he felt the need to crumb vt, I feel he's probably town.

[Robbnva]

interesting note it was atm's reason for voting you that factored into me reconsidering my vote on you The reason he gave is something I actually see as something coming from town vs scum and after I iso'd you I saw at least one post that looks very town to me.

How did you read this post and come to the conclusion that I am trying to line up 2 mislynces (you and egg)

I pretty much took egg off the table with this post.

[Creature]

1. That's a reach. Plus I made a post (post 453) that implies I'm not scum reading egg and actually said hisPost looks like he's town so you are REALLY making up stuff here.

You voted eggman in 403 and unvoted him in 441, the only posts Eggman did in that span were 407, 408 and 416 (which was just a question), yet you accused him in 410. What actually made you change your read?

2. Being busy is dismissive? Uh not really

Not the busy part, but the way you just said "go catch up"

3. Nobody accused me of anything so how could I be putting the accusation down. I was asking him to clarify who he saw doing that because I didn't see anyone doing that.

There is. He never posted. He's scum reading a vacant slot

Who was using that as a reason to scum read him?

If you'll say you wasn't using that to scumread me in 488, then what was the point of that post?

[Creature]

Nvm, you already answered the first.