Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Robbnva]

Not the busy part, but the way you just said "go catch up"

well yeah because the reasons for my change were in my posts so if somebody read the they should be able determine why my read changed...

If you'll say you wasn't using that to scumread me in 488, then what was the point of that post?

to laugh at you. This opinion you gave wasn't alignment indicative to me but it was (sorry no offense here) intellectually challenged.

It is impossible to have any read at all on a slot that hasn't posted. Nobody can have a town read, nobody can have a scum read. To include such a person into the scum pool is just plain dumb and I found it amusing.

I was already scum reading you way before that post and for much better reasoning, I don't need something so stupid on my list of reasons why you look like scum.

[Robbnva]

btw I am dismissive a lot, that's why people don't really like playing with me and why I have hidden behind numerous usernames.

[Creature]

It is impossible to have any read at all on a slot that hasn't posted. Nobody can have a town read, nobody can have a scum read. To include such a person into the scum pool is just plain dumb and I found it amusing.

"PoE pool"

It's nowhere dumb to narrow down scum.

[Creature]

Btw, don't this post bother you?

@F-oh-ex
I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

Could you ISO Dwlee and get back to me with an elaboration on your read?

Yeah, so reading through his posts it seems to me that he is genuinely scum hunting. But like you said before, he could be manipulating us. Currently, not judging anything but his ISO, I would have him somewhere between townlean and town. But I am hesitant to give him that townlean because say Creature flips town and eggman flips town, then out of the options available, i would have him as one of the main people I am watching out for and have him in scumlean. I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me.

[Robbnva]

It is impossible to have any read at all on a slot that hasn't posted. Nobody can have a town read, nobody can have a scum read. To include such a person into the scum pool is just plain dumb and I found it amusing.

"PoE pool"

It's nowhere dumb to narrow down scum.

just to clarify this is what you posted.

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

followed immediately by this

I am townreading Eggman.

I am not townreading Akigoku, neither Mario, nor Robb or Smith, not even stelo, neither you.

You only said you were town reading one person. That isn't POE and it contradicts your later post where you say you are town reading everyone else not in that pool.

3 of the people are inactive posters and 2 are being replaced, The only inactive person that worries me is mario because at least his inactivity falls along the lines of lurking under the radar. 2 of the people just happened to be people scum reading you.

[Creature]

I said I am townreading Eggman, not "I am townreading Eggman and nobody else"

[Robbnva]

Btw, don't this post bother you?

@F-oh-ex
I have Dwlee as null as I could see him flipping either way. I use the null spot as a spot for people who I see going in different directions depending on how the game plays out.

Could you ISO Dwlee and get back to me with an elaboration on your read?

Yeah, so reading through his posts it seems to me that he is genuinely scum hunting. But like you said before, he could be manipulating us. Currently, not judging anything but his ISO, I would have him somewhere between townlean and town. But I am hesitant to give him that townlean because say Creature flips town and eggman flips town, then out of the options available, i would have him as one of the main people I am watching out for and have him in scumlean. I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me.

The only issue I really see with this one is he is kind of suggesting (at least in a hypothetical way) that we lynch you and egg first. I do agree that dwlee comes off looking very town and also agree that he could possibly be scum manipulating.

actually I have issues with the "we should consider all the possibilities" part. He should concern himself with his own reads and go from there.

p.edit - right but I am not a mind reader and I can't assume that something is true.

i feel if you were town the 2 inactive players shouldn't even be in your pool of suspects at all because they have given nothing at all that can help read them better. Your pool should be a group of people who you can sort of make a case/or provide reasons for why they are scum and those reasons have to be ones that actually make sense.

If you are going to town read people you also have to have good reasons for them. You don't even have good reasons for your egg town read so sorry if I am kind of skeptical about any of your other reads.

[Dwlee99]

we should lynch crazy

[Creature]

i feel if you were town the 2 inactive players shouldn't even be in your pool of suspects at all because they have given nothing at all that can help read them better.

Exactly, they've given no town feeling, therefore they're scum candidates even if they didn't do anything particularly scummy. An inactive slot can still be a scum slot.

Your pool should be a group of people who you can sort of make a case/or provide reasons for why they are scum and those reasons have to be ones that actually make sense.

Huh no. I've had a game where I tracked my townreads and formed scumreads mostly by PoE rather than being able to make a case. If you can't make a case, that doesn't mean you can't say you think they're scum.

(If you want to check that game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66693)

If you are going to town read people you also have to have good reasons for them. You don't even have good reasons for your egg town read so sorry if I am kind of skeptical about any of your other reads.

Isn't claim being genuine a good reason to townread?

What other townread you question? (atm487, Derek12, Dragon of The West, Dwlee99, F-oh-ex)

[Robbnva]

we should lynch crazy

meh i'd rather lynch creature

[Robbnva]

I question a bunch of those just because I am not town reading them myself. The only person in that list I can say i'm comfortable with saying is town is probably dwlee. I don't need you to justify your reads to me, I just don't really agree with them.

and no calling somebody town because their claim imo isn't a good reason to townread. Not all scum are going to fake claim a PR.

[Creature]

What about the way he claimed?

[Robbnva]

what about it? He was at L-1 and was asked to claim and he claimed VT. how can you tell that is AI?

[Creature]

PEDIT: VT.

It's why I did the RQS: "vanilla" ice cream

[Robbnva]

how can you tell that is AI?

I already said I think it's weird that a vt would crumb vt but I'm not so narrow minded that it can't come from town but it also could come from scum.

Maybe the rqs was something he decided to do unplanned (I think one of his other games somebody rqs' and maybe he thought it was a good idea) but using that as a crumb for a vt claim could have been something he was coached to say or maybe it was also genuine. But I have trouble believing somebody planned an elaborate way to claim vt but I guess it's possible

[Robbnva]

we should lynch crazy

Curious why him over creature?

[Dwlee99]

we should lynch crazy

Curious why him over creature?

idek I just want crazy lynched tbh

[Robbnva]

[Eggman]

And now I'm not sure what to make of egg

unvote

Lots to think about now

What made you question your decision?

Pretty sure all of my reasonings have been posted. Finish catching up and if you still can't tell I'll point them out. I'm heading out to pick up my son.

This looks like an SvS interaction.

How so? The scummiest thing you could possibly take away from this is "uh, I posted it in the QT, look there", and I feel like that's sort of a reach. It flew over my head first time I saw it.

Scumreads [in that order] - Creature, Eggman, crazycrab (mutually exclusive to be scum with Creature)

UNVOTE: Eggman
VOTE: Creature

Given that it looks like Crabman's only scumread is on Creature right now, this doesn't make much sense.

I feel there is enough evidence to VOTE: Creature

This vote is opportunistic. Too opportunistic. Probably a mafioso trying to get his wagon going.

Also I think egg town slipped and I don't think it was a "fake" town slip so while I still question why he felt the need to crumb vt, I feel he's probably town.

uh where

VOTE: Crabman for now. That was a bad vote, it's only fair to repay in kind.

[Eggman]

Four votes on Crabman, for the record.

[atm487]

OK so seeing robb's post(BTW your response hurt my feelings, and yes you did vote for me at one point) I believe he is town. He may be harsh to new players, but its obvious he did call me out on my bullshit and I am apologizing for basically wrongly accusing you, but still, some posts don't seem completely town, but so far, no posts have been scum in my opinion

[Smithereens]

Why so many votes on Crazy when there's an objectively sound case on Eggman and Creature..?

[atm487]

And now I'm not sure what to make of egg

unvote

Lots to think about now

What made you question your decision?

Pretty sure all of my reasonings have been posted. Finish catching up and if you still can't tell I'll point them out. I'm heading out to pick up my son.

This looks like an SvS interaction.

How so? The scummiest thing you could possibly take away from this is "uh, I posted it in the QT, look there", and I feel like that's sort of a reach. It flew over my head first time I saw it.

Scumreads [in that order] - Creature, Eggman, crazycrab (mutually exclusive to be scum with Creature)

UNVOTE: Eggman
VOTE: Creature

Given that it looks like Crabman's only scumread is on Creature right now, this doesn't make much sense.

I feel there is enough evidence to VOTE: Creature

This vote is opportunistic. Too opportunistic. Probably a mafioso trying to get his wagon going.

Also I think egg town slipped and I don't think it was a "fake" town slip so while I still question why he felt the need to crumb vt, I feel he's probably town.

uh where

VOTE: Crabman for now. That was a bad vote, it's only fair to repay in kind.

Well I have nothing against voting for Crab, but I doubt he was trying to start a wagon

[atm487]

Why so many votes on Crazy when there's an objectively sound case on Eggman and Creature..?

EXACTLY

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Creature [

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Robbnva

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F-oh-ex

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crazycrabman

Derek12 [

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MarioManiac4

Eggman [

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Dragon of the West

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Smithereens

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atm487

crazycrabman [

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Derek12

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Creature

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Dwlee99

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Eggman

Abstaining [2]:

Akigoku /

stelo

There are 13 active players.
Absolute majority is

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Spoiler: Current player list

[01]

Smithereens

[02]

Creature

[03]

MarioManiac4

[04]

Robbnva

[05]

Dwlee99

[06]

stelo

[07]

Dragon of the West

[08]

Derek12

[09]

Akigoku

[10]

F-oh-ex

[11]

Eggman

[12]

atm487

[13]

crazycrabman

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Deadline is

07-07-2016 00:00:00 CEST

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