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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:50 pm

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Xkfyu wrote:Ranger, who's your second choice?
Easily lilith.

Aside from the neighborhood debacle, there's her identical play to Earth-2 (where she's a scumread), along with how it was just generally scummy in the first place.

And quite seriously. The marked difference between Magna's play on Earth-1 and Earth-2 is the difference between night and day. Look at his posting right now. Compare it to his Earth-2 posting. It's nothing alike.
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:01 pm

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As an example: is a typical post from Magna of Earth-1 to make.
It is a case. It is methodical. It hides behind objectivity.

Similarly, (aside from the ridiculously scummy claim) and have this distance between him and his "scumreads": he's pushing for certain players to be scum, yes, but he's doing it without emotion. He does display emotions, of course...but in defense of himself only.


Compare this to Earth-2: . Emotional investment, SEVERE emotional investment, behind his read. has emotional investment. is personal. is semi-personal. is also personal.

Also, compare his stances: his main drive behind me being scum? Earth-2 content, reliant on me faking a townslip. That was proven wrong. His content now? Is not reevaluating his read on me, in spite of the whole basis of it being shown fundamentally wrong. He thought I was scum faking a townslip by not knowing where the Earth-2 thread was. I was not. He continues on, his read unchanged.

MagnaofIllusion could have a cop innocent on him and I would still lynch him. I said this before. I meant it. He is scum on this earth.
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:48 am

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In post 1275, Ranger wrote:
Xkfyu wrote:Ranger, who's your second choice?
Easily lilith.

Aside from the neighborhood debacle, there's her identical play to Earth-2 (where she's a scumread), along with how it was just generally scummy in the first place.

And quite seriously. The marked difference between Magna's play on Earth-1 and Earth-2 is the difference between night and day. Look at his posting right now. Compare it to his Earth-2 posting. It's nothing alike.
Could you remind me what the "neighborhood debacle" was?
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:55 am

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And look – Clumsy still continues to not post in thread.

At this point I want to see content from Lilith and Snarky Snowman ASAP. The both need to comment on my claim.
In post 1276, Ranger wrote:(aside from the ridiculously scummy claim)
Nothing scummy about my claim at all. What is scummy is her heavily leaning on Appeal to Repetition in just calling me scum instead of explanation of how my claim comes from a scum perspective.
In post 1276, Ranger wrote:MagnaofIllusion could have a cop innocent on him and I would still lynch him. I said this before. I meant it. He is scum on this earth.
No, I’m not. Repeating something untrue over and over doesn’t make it true. It just means either she is terrible Town or scum. I’m banking on scum.
In post 1276, Ranger wrote:Also, compare his stances: his main drive behind me being scum? Earth-2 content, reliant on me faking a townslip. That was proven wrong. His content now? Is not reevaluating his read on me, in spite of the whole basis of it being shown fundamentally wrong. He thought I was scum faking a townslip by not knowing where the Earth-2 thread was. I was not. He continues on, his read unchanged.
And this – this is a goldmine. My read on her play was that she was scum on one of the Earths. shows that clearly. But only voted her in after her play on Earth 2 specifically around her sudden 180 on mass-claiming (which, after the fact, she acknowledged didn’t make sense). So no – my case was not the Townslip – it was that her catch-up was scummy and her play didn’t make sense from a Town perspective. Yet she ignores these easily checked facts in trying to sell a narrative that suits her agende.

Remember – she is now trying to say it was only Earth2 content I was commenting on but that’s not true. She was the one who spent a significant portion of her replace in providing Earth1 content. She can’t now hide behind the fact that she was on Earth2 when she was providing Earth 1 content and saying I haven’t changed my opinion. I was reading Earth 1 content from Ranger also.

Again – her push on Earth 1 pretty much is clear defacto chain-saw attempt to keep Clumsy from getting lynched. Which she started pre-emptively on Earth 2. A good sign that she is partners with Clumsy.

The rest of is basically a whole “MoI’s playstyle is scummy” which is so laughable I’m going to enjoy rubbing it in Ranger’s face post-game regardless of whether she is scum or not.
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:08 am

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This doesn't help me, Magna. You weren't so vindictive and frustrated on the first Day One.
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:24 am

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In post 1279, KuroiXHF wrote:This doesn't help me, Magna. You weren't so vindictive and frustrated on the first Day One.
What's your point? Do you think Clumsy magically stops being scum because I have to push back on scum-Ranger trying to mislynch me?
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:49 am

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I'm saying you're getting to be a bit scummy.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:33 am

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In post 1281, KuroiXHF wrote:I'm saying you're getting to be a bit scummy.
Then vote me. End of story. My flip cements that Ranger's posting is either from terrible Town or Scum and she can be lynched as deemed necessary. I'm not going to put up with Ranger saying "MoI is scum because his play is mechanical" and you saying "Your play is passionate and vindictive so you are scum".
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:41 am

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I'll keep my vote where it is, but I want to speak with Lilith first.
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:22 am

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Yeah I still want to hear from Lilith and Snarky. They absolutely need to weigh in on the thread. Snarky absolutely has to weigh in on my claim.
In post 1275, Ranger wrote:Easily lilith.

Aside from the neighborhood debacle, there's her identical play to Earth-2 (where she's a scumread), along with how it was just generally scummy in the first place.
Notice for the record of this.

Lilith is scum on both Earths according to Ranger. A Lilith scum flip here on Earth 1 would very much bolster her Earth 2 claim.

Yet she absolutely doesn't want to flip Lilith on this Earth. Instead it must be me with the over-the-top posturing of "Even if there was a Cop Innocent on MoI I would lynch him". Which frankly is a stupid stance to take since even if she thought I was a Godfather lynching my partner as the driving force would help bolster a Godfather case.

Yet Ranger insists on driving me which shows she has an agenda that isn't lynching scum - it is protecting Clumsy.
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:09 pm

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Mod: V/LA for today, and all Wednesdays in July.

Means no posting from me until tomorrow.
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:41 pm

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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:42 pm

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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:50 pm

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In post 1285, Ranger wrote:
Mod: V/LA for today, and all Wednesdays in July.

Means no posting from me until tomorrow.
This is a weird flavor.

Which super hero would choose not to fight crime on all Wednesdays in July? I can only think of maybe Captain America, but that's Marvel.

Is there a DC version of Captain America?
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:13 pm

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Sorry, been pretty unmotivated in mafia in general. Dealing with other games put me in a bad mood by the time I got to this one.

Magna, I really don't think that Ranger is scum here. You're pushing back on her after she said with no unclear terms that you were definitely scum on this earth. I haven't read through your case yet, hopefully will have the motivation to do that tonight, but Ranger has already presented hers and it's pretty compelling to me.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:23 pm

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In post 1289, Clumsy wrote:You're pushing back on her after she said with no unclear terms that you were definitely scum on this earth. I haven't read through your case yet, hopefully will have the motivation to do that tonight, but Ranger has already presented hers and it's pretty compelling to me.
See this is a scum response. How do you expect me not to push back on her after she said I was scum given she said it on Earth 2? Do you expect me to violate the laws of cause and effect and push back on her before she posts on Earth 2 somehow? Frankly the fact that she spent time on Earth 2 making an Earth 1 case should have been a sign she had an agenda ... which is protecting you.

Please explain in detail how you find her case compelling. Saying "It's compelling" will not cut it. I'd like you to show everyone why exactly you find it so. Because I don't think you can.

Also your avoidance of my claim and discussing it in any fashion is noted. As scummy.

Oh and I can tell you aren't actually reading since the case was for both of you as scum partners. Let me predict - you will find it unconvincing :roll:
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:48 am

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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:47 am

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I am super sorry guys. I'm--surprise--studying for another exam! And I just started work, so things are really hectic :(

Okay, so here's where I am right now.

I read through the threads that Ranger posted. My original townread on Magna was from this aura of intelligence that I felt emanated from his posting, and like this ability to read between the lines that I was a little in awe of, and I was confused and suspicious of him in Earth Two when his tone was different, but because I was townreading him on this earth I thought that the difference in his earth two posting meant he was scum there. After reading through Ranger's links, I think I've changed my mind about those reads. Magna reads a lot more.. I'm not sure how to describe it, I guess formal and stilted, here, and like Ranger was saying, a lot more personal in earth two. Do I believe the doc claim? I don't think so--in my opinion, doc is one of the easiest PRs to claim without needing to provide results. At this point almost everyone is claimed and since no one has claimed an investigative, a claimed protective is basically safe.

I think Ranger is town--she's posting very similarly to how she posted in Earth Two and now that she's flipped town there we can compare the two, and I was townreading lane pretty strongly in earth one before. I think Magna calling her scummy for how she behaved in Earth Two is invalid because we know she was town there. I also don't think she'd have that much incentive as scum here to post a significant amount of content about Earth One in Earth Two when as a replacement she could have gotten by without doing so and by riding on lane's towniness. Magna is using the same Appeal to Repetition argument against Ranger here, but we've seen her flip town after she did the same thing with her case on me, so at worst her doing that is NAI. I think Magna's getting overly defensive to Ranger. Like caught scum.

tldr I think Ranger is right.

VOTE: Magna
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:27 am

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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:30 am

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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:31 am

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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:42 pm

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Okay what the fuck. So we had a fairly clear 1v1 on Ranger vs Lilith and both were town. 1v1 on me + kuroi, we're both town. Magna is definitely a townread in Earth 2. So POE leads me to Clumsy / Java / TTH as the lynchpool.

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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:52 pm

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What the hell were you doing on Earth 1 Snarky?

Anyway, I think since this is LYLO a Mass claim is in order. I think Snarky and Joe need to confirmed their full claims (including Superhero name even thought Snarky's is obvious) and then I'd prefer that Clumsy go next.
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