Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Smithereens]

@Rob, go ahead and add me to your scum list right below all of creature, Eggman and Crazy, in fact move your vote to me as well, because your logic basically condemns anyone who plays differently from game to game, and I know for a fact that my play is far more inconsistent than any player in this entire game..

You don't appear to want to believe that your reasoning is flawed whatsoever. It's even beyond confbias.

@Creature, Damn what a witty comeback! I'm feeling the Burnn D:

[Robbnva]

Well tbh I already removed you as a town read a while back so you weren't too far off the list.

Your reaction to this wagon is weird

[crazycrabman]

Hello! Sorry about yesterday, I was pretty stressed! That does not mean that I'm asking you to forget about it and you should not change yours views on it because of it. I'll reread the two pages of posts and answer some questions i saw.

[Smithereens]

@Rob

You called Creature's backflip weird, and now you're basically saying that I'm weird for repeating your reasons vs your current wagon??

Your scum reads on Creature and Eggman are far better than this case you're claiming is AI on whatshisface. I'm literally the spitting image of yourself here if you can recall yourself using these words.

[Robbnva]

1. Creatures backflip was weird cause he did a 180 with bad reasoning (and a lie)
2. I still scum read creature
3. I don't have a scum read on egg atm and have said so already
4. Pressuring multiple people in a day phase is probably better than focusing on one or 2 people, especially when the person getting pressured hasn't contributed to the game in a productive way.
5. Ctab looks lost atm and kind of making excuses that I'm not buying.

Your acting like crab is going to get lynched like it's set in stone or something.

[crazycrabman]

I see there's four votes on me now. I really can't argue against this wagon because it is concerning the strategy I was testing this game. I can't edit all my posts so hey fit another strategy and just saying "I'm town" won't convince anyone. I could try to justify my reasoning but I already tried that and that didn't work so what else can I do?

What are you even talking about. You can't defend your posts by citing some sort of strategy that none of us have any clue about. This is pretty meaningless to anyone outside of yourself.

The strategy I was referring to was to consider all the possibilities before putting them on your list of reads. Apparently this does not work according to some people.

I believe that Creature and some lurker is scum. I believe creature is scum because his attitude fits that of scum and his posting style. This is a result of a flawed strategy so take it with a grain of salt. I know you are going to say t re-read the game with a different mindset but anything different besides the one I have used and am using right now would be lying to myself.

scumlean {

Eggman

, Creature,

Robnva

, Mario*, Stelo*}
*Due to inactivity

Did you forget about your other two scumleans? Also what changed between Creature's posting style now and earlygame that caused your scumread? You seemed to like his posting style before.

No, I didn't forget abut them, I was asked who I thought the scum team was I believe (or that's how I interpreted it), and that's who I think it is.
Also, many things changed between creature's early game and now. Early on he acted like he did in my first game with him, where he was town. Now he is acting a lot different, a bit like atm in that first game. I did like his posting style before, but not now.

[Robbnva]

The strategy I was referring to was to consider all the possibilities before putting them on your list of reads. Apparently this does not work according to some people.

Tbh I don't even know what that means. What do you mean consider all possibilities? Possibilities of what?

Also if that's your strategy where are examples of you doing that?

[Dragon of the West]

I think a lot of people abandoned the Eggman wagon earlier. He handled the pressure of all the votes on him well. While he's still a scum lean for me for now, he's not near my top. I think some others were reading him closer to null/town even. Creature still bothers me because of the blatant lies and shotty reasoning to back off the Eggman wagon so early. His reason was the crumb claim. While it's possible this really swayed him, his logic was completely faulty. That makes me feel like he was hoping for an Eggman lynch to get himself some town cred once egg flipped town. While I think creature is my strongest scumread at the moment, I'm still suspicious of others and I think Robb is right to say we should use more of this day to put pressure on different people and get more ideas on them. Especially with a few inactives that we're waiting to get replaced. That being said, the day can always end up going back to a lynch on creature after we've gotten more reads on everyone else

[Dragon of the West]

^That was kind of in response to smithereens

[crazycrabman]

Crab. Your other game you did this big wall of players and explained your reads and put them in scummy order and stuff. You explained your reasons and you were pretty close to being right.

Why would you try a new strategy if that worked so good for you?

How do I know it worked so well from one game? I'm learning from my mistakes and trying out many things.
Yeah, I was pretty hyped the first game as I waited awhile for it and I got a power role. This game I'm a bit low on energy as that hype is burning off.

[Robbnva]

Also, many things changed between creature's early game and now. Early on he acted like he did in my first game with him, where he was town. Now he is acting a lot different, a bit like atm in that first game. I did like his posting style before

Explain. How creature is acting like atm. Use examples from that game if it'll help.

[Robbnva]

Crab. Your other game you did this big wall of players and explained your reads and put them in scummy order and stuff. You explained your reasons and you were pretty close to being right.

Why would you try a new strategy if that worked so good for you?

How do I know it worked so well from one game? I'm learning from my mistakes and trying out many things.
Yeah, I was pretty hyped the first game as I waited awhile for it and I got a power role. This game I'm a bit low on energy as that hype is burning off.

Your reads that game were near perfect. What mistakes?

[crazycrabman]

Yeah, so reading through his posts it seems to me that he is genuinely scum hunting. But like you said before, he could be manipulating us. Currently, not judging anything but his ISO, I would have him somewhere between townlean and town. But I am hesitant to give him that townlean because say Creature flips town and eggman flips town, then out of the options available, i would have him as one of the main people I am watching out for and have him in scumlean. I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me.

I was referring to this as my strategy.

[Smithereens]

Right, so my error was in believing that you were driving for a Crab lynch at the expense of a creature lynch. That sits better with me, dw.

[crazycrabman]

Crab. Your other game you did this big wall of players and explained your reads and put them in scummy order and stuff. You explained your reasons and you were pretty close to being right.

Why would you try a new strategy if that worked so good for you?

How do I know it worked so well from one game? I'm learning from my mistakes and trying out many things.
Yeah, I was pretty hyped the first game as I waited awhile for it and I got a power role. This game I'm a bit low on energy as that hype is burning off.

Your reads that game were near perfect. What mistakes?

I was referring to this game.

[Creature]

It's so funny when someone accuses me of lying but are lying themselves.

atm487 in Newbie 1715:
"How to vote?"
*hammers tojam2*

[crazycrabman]

Also, many things changed between creature's early game and now. Early on he acted like he did in my first game with him, where he was town. Now he is acting a lot different, a bit like atm in that first game. I did like his posting style before

Explain. How creature is acting like atm. Use examples from that game if it'll help.

Ok sure. One sec.

[crazycrabman]

So when I mean acting like atm, I mean more apprehensive to criticism. Last game when there was pressure put on him he was pretty cool and collected. This game he seems more on end. Some examples:

I am thinking the whole scum team is in {Akigoku, crazycrabman, MarioManiac4, Robbnva, Smithereens, stelo}

You're putting a person that has never posted onto the scum team? For real?

Are you even reading?

And now I'm not sure what to make of egg

unvote

Lots to think about now

What made you question your decision?

Pretty sure all of my reasonings have been posted. Finish catching up and if you still can't tell I'll point them out. I'm heading out to pick up my son.

This looks like an SvS interaction.

Here I feel he is trying to create confusion and noise.

crazy

Do you actually have any opinion on me vs Robbnva?

Again, noise.

So basically I get a tense vibe from him through his posts. He is definitely not like atm in that he asks questions like "how to vote", but I feel he's giving off the same feel atm gave off the first game I played with them.

[crazycrabman]

What is the lie that people are talking about? Is it the one where you say eggman is mislynch bait?

[Robbnva]

It's so funny when someone accuses me of lying but are lying themselves.

atm487 in Newbie 1715:
"How to vote?"
*hammers tojam2*

Huh? I swear some of your posts I have no clue what you are even talking about.

[Robbnva]

What is the lie that people are talking about? Is it the one where you say eggman is mislynch bait?

Yes

[Smithereens]

It's so funny when someone accuses me of lying but are lying themselves.

atm487 in Newbie 1715:
"How to vote?"
*hammers tojam2*

What's this? A solid reason to vote Atm in this game?

I do hope you're self aware enough to not say stupid things like this really... >.>

[Creature]

It's so funny when someone accuses me of lying but are lying themselves.

atm487 in Newbie 1715:
"How to vote?"
*hammers tojam2*

What's this? A solid reason to vote Atm in this game?

I do hope you're self aware enough to not say stupid things like this really... >.>

Someone said I looked like atm487.

[Robbnva]

what does you being accused by lying by me have to do with atm having issues voting in another game?

so let's assume he was lying that game about voting. he was scum so if anything you have proven what we already know. Scum lie and townies don't

[Dwlee99]

I dont think atm was lying about not knowing how to vote that game.