Micro 622: Queen Mafia GAME OVER

[Iprobablysuck]

{TellTaleHeart, Fire Assassin}
{duppin}
{Aristophanes, Iprobablysuck, GuiltyLion}
{Postie}
{Elyse}

What is this? A list of reads? Do you have an explanation for some of these (If they're reads)? And why did you just post it out of thin air?

[Fire Assassin]

Its reads ordered in the "Town" at the top and each level is where they reside such as duppin is leaning town and middle would be "Null" and the bottom is scum.

They are a terrible way to organize thoughts.

[BNL]

My townread on Fire comes from post 96. I liked his case on Elyse.

[GuiltyLion]

BNL tell me about why IPS is null for you?

I predict a slow D1 if Aristo isn't gonna post often

[GuiltyLion]

Oh wait he's actually on V/LA, I missed that

[The Show Must Go On]

Votecount 1.05:

Aristophanes (3): GuiltyLion, TellTaleHeart, Elyse
Elyse (3): BulletNLynchproof, Iprobablysuck, Fire Assassin
Fire Assassin (2): Aristophanes, Postie
Postie (1): duppin
TellTaleHeart (0):
Iprobablysuck (0):
GuiltyLion (0):
duppin (0):
BulletNLynchproof (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-12 17:00:00).

Picture:

Freddy Mercury

Notes:

He paid his dues.

[TellTaleHeart]

You must have memory loss, old man. You obviously read my post.

I am getting to old to kill all the scum, one day i will select an heir to be the Ras Al Ghul. But today is not that day.
Why you so relaxed in your tone TTH? Do you worry about my skills at reading you (even with your calm demeanor its too calm.....)

I just got my Xanax prescription refilled. Thanks for noticing.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm guessing FA is going to say I'm scum with Aris for saying that FA is looked upon favorably for the Aris wagon which is stupid since I obviously meant that he's at the forefront of the Aris push. He looks good for scumhunting and stuff. And I'm also scumreading Aris, so if you incorrectly interpreted it as me saying he'll look good because Aris is flipping scum, that's in line with my reads.

If it's something else then idk lol.

Its word choices and tone.
First off lets show case it:

. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum

would do right now.

This rings of awareness of what scum is likely to do in a certain scenario and words "right now" bring attention that they could act in this way, but aren't doing it yet.

Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon.

Hyper awareness of the situation. Scum are usually the most aware players of scenarios.

It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.

Timing is key in this section. The idea is that they are aware of what will and won't look good for scum to do in certain scenarios at certain moments in time. Elyse is looking at the game in the perspective as a scum player. They are not looking at it from the perspective of it in the terms they are town and how scum would act, but what they would personally do. This is what I am seeing.

That... was not the criticism I had in mind. :S

[TellTaleHeart]

{TellTaleHeart, Fire Assassin}
{duppin}
{Aristophanes, Iprobablysuck, GuiltyLion}
{Postie}
{Elyse}

Alright-y.
Is there going to be any explanation on how the middle tier was constructed? Or even what it means?

I don't really get how Ari and IPS/GuiltyLion are occupying the same space.

[Postie]

I'm guessing FA is going to say I'm scum with Aris for saying that FA is looked upon favorably for the Aris wagon which is stupid since I obviously meant that he's at the forefront of the Aris push. He looks good for scumhunting and stuff. And I'm also scumreading Aris, so if you incorrectly interpreted it as me saying he'll look good because Aris is flipping scum, that's in line with my reads.

If it's something else then idk lol.

Its word choices and tone.
First off lets show case it:

. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum

would do right now.

This rings of awareness of what scum is likely to do in a certain scenario and words "right now" bring attention that they could act in this way, but aren't doing it yet.

Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon.

Hyper awareness of the situation. Scum are usually the most aware players of scenarios.

It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.

Timing is key in this section. The idea is that they are aware of what will and won't look good for scum to do in certain scenarios at certain moments in time. Elyse is looking at the game in the perspective as a scum player. They are not looking at it from the perspective of it in the terms they are town and how scum would act, but what they would personally do. This is what I am seeing.

Wow this is so bad.
Fire, please exlpain in detail why

paying attention to the game

is scummy.

[Elyse]

My townread on Fire comes from post 96. I liked his case on Elyse.

lol

That case is shit.

[Postie]

I like Elyse for town.

[Iprobablysuck]

My townread on Fire comes from post 96. I liked his case on Elyse.

lol

That case is shit.

More deep, epic insight from the goddess of Mafia.

Other than the fact it's against you, why is the case shit?

[TellTaleHeart]

I like Postie a lot less after the last couple posts.

[Elyse]

My townread on Fire comes from post 96. I liked his case on Elyse.

lol

That case is shit.

More deep, epic insight from the goddess of Mafia.

Other than the fact it's against you, why is the case shit?

It's literally "Elyse is aware of what's going on in this game and is looking at it from a perspective of 'what scum would do'". No shit. That's how I scumhunt.

@TTH
Do you think Postie is buddying me?

[TellTaleHeart]

Short, crappy answer: Yes.

Long(er) answer: Post 109 is simplistic and strawman-y regarding Fire's points and a tad heavy handed on the defense. Personally, I thought your Postie read outlined in Post 88 was a

little

bit of a bizarre position to have in the context of your Ari scum read (why

wouldn't

Postie, as scum, push an alternate wagon that she felt like she would be able to justify?). So declaring you town and taking your side here with Fire Assassin is coming on a little strong and, yes, like "buddying." That is, if you're into buzzwords that only approximate my thoughts on the matter.

[Postie]

Oh good TTH is town.

[Elyse]

@TTH

Postie couldn't really justify the wagon. She had a hard time explaining her read. That's part of the reason why it struck me as so town. The purpose of the FA switch wasn't to distract from current wagons or start a quick counter wagon because, at least from my PoV, her vote isn't something anyone will follow.

[TellTaleHeart]

I might agree with your premise if Postie were either very green or an exceptionally slow learner but she strikes me as neither. I feel like you're using a framework for a newbie to intermediate-level player on a lot more of an advanced player.

[Postie]

I might agree with your premise if Postie were either very green or an exceptionally slow learner but she strikes me as neither. I feel like you're using a framework for a newbie to intermediate-level player on a lot more of an advanced player.

I don't understand what you're saying here at all, TTH.

[TellTaleHeart]

OK, I'll put it more bluntly and less nicely: any scum player worth half a shit could've easily made the post you did. "Having trouble articulating" a read can be gamed by even the most elementary scum players. (I have a pathetic scum game and I do that. It gets town reads, likely because "uncertainty" is pretty closely associated with "uninformed." But now I'm sort of getting off on a tangent. @_@)

[Postie]

I might agree with your premise if Postie were either very green or an exceptionally slow learner but she strikes me as neither. I feel like you're using a framework for a newbie to intermediate-level player on a lot more of an advanced player.

Oh, yeah, I get that. I just wasn't following how that relates to Elyse's argument about my push being unlikely to come from scum because it isn't the kind of push people can sheep, so it's not effective at derailing the Aristo wagon.

[TellTaleHeart]

It doesn't and I wasn't really speaking to that point (but I don't think it's a compelling point regardless).

[Fire Assassin]

Wow this is so bad.
Fire, please exlpain in detail why paying attention to the game is scummy.

I didn't say paying attention to the game was scummy? I was saying that Elyse perspective was more from a scum perspective in terms of awareness level and what would look good or bad for those alignments at the moment in time. It seemed not from a town perspective in that they weren't saying the actions were scummy or not, they just said it would look

bad

meaning could look scummy to town players.

[Fire Assassin]

@TTH

Postie couldn't really justify the wagon. She had a hard time explaining her read. That's part of the reason why it struck me as so town. The purpose of the FA switch wasn't to distract from current wagons or start a quick counter wagon because, at least from my PoV, her vote isn't something anyone will follow.

You have too much awareness of the player base actions in a scenario.
VOTE: Elsye