Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

Infinity 324 · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:23 pm

In post 770, Smithereens wrote:@Infinity, please re-read your post. You basically restate my position by saying they act different in way that can fit a town or scum narrative.

What I'm trying to say is that you can better determine the alignment of a player if they act differently because it allows you to form a more complete picture of who they are as a player in the game.

Dragon of the West · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:23 pm

In post 773, Smithereens wrote:up then

every time i get back on there's like 3 new pages so yeah, i'm almost always catching up

Dragon of the West · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:24 pm

In post 762, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 761, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 732, Smithereens wrote:Disappointed that you refuse to see reason, I'll lay it out in syllogism then.

1) A scum case based on behavioural differences between games is valid insofar as it remains consistent
2) It is not consistent
C) It is not valid.

>You are diverting attention away from a scum lynch because your reasons to vote creature far, far outweigh your reasons to vote Crab, yet you insist it is better to be voting Crab.
>
I haven't talked about Creature as if he was about to be lynched[
/b]. However it is quite obvious that a wagon requires votes in order for a lynch to occur, and you are most certainly going to stick with Crab until he is lynched, at the cost of Creature surviving into the night.
>Crab hasn't said anything AI. Please re-check your reads
>Creature isn't going to get close to a lynch because people like you are voting on crap wagons. Now you're saying that you'll vote creature if he gets close to a lynch, but conveniently ignore the fact that that can't happen if people are going to vote randomly.

You also need to stop thinking that I'm town reading Crab.

In post 716, Smithereens wrote:
In post 712, Robbnva wrote:
In post 711, Smithereens wrote:Reason. A player who is uninformed is likely to stick to a person who they've discovered is scum with a high degree of confidence. Moving off it simply shows how little profundity the discovery actually made on the player. If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

you are just talking out of your ass at this point.
Confirmation bias cannot be beaten, end of story. Townies should be showing all the flaws that an uninformed player should exhibit, including over confidence in a read that they believe confirms the guilt of another player. You however dropped this tangible and highly convincing case against Creature in favour of poking a far less suspicious player for a reason that I've already demonstrated is absolutely not AI.

[b
]I'd say you panicked when it appeared that Creature was about to get lynched
[/b], and now you're trying to get pressure off him.
what in God's fucking name do you call this then

please respond to this

Smithereens · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:25 pm

I already did. It's AI and it's town AI. However you haven't played mafia long enough to know that it appears.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:29 pm

Bleh I don't like that response, why are you concerned with how that's alignment indicative as opposed to addressing the contradiction? Kinda seems like you already knew you did it.

Dragon of the West · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:30 pm

In post 778, Smithereens wrote:I already did. It's AI and it's town AI. However you haven't played mafia long enough to know that it appears.

This is my second game of mafia ever so....no

Dragon of the West · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:30 pm

nevermind. i misread what you said

Smithereens · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:31 pm

for benefit of your future games, large amounts of trivial inconsistencies in a player's case is indicative of a town player, since scum are actually careful and pay attention to what they say. A player who blurts out the first thing on their mind is a strong town read and if I weren't me I'd be town reading me for my own behaviour since I haven't give a hoot about keeping up appearances.

You on the other hand are looking for a case that isn't there. I'm not going to label that scum since it appears you only need to play a few more games to understand my point, which would be sufficient to make me happy.

@Infinity, there is definitely a contradiction there. Do you really need a flip for you to learn that it isn't scummy?

Dragon of the West · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:34 pm

I hope to get more than just your opinion on what ways that can be AI. I hope you understand

Smithereens · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:35 pm

Read the post immediately prior to that. Scum posts are often more water-tight in terms of consistency in tiny, insignificant details like what you pulled out.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:37 pm

I know contractions are more likely to come from town (yes that is true in general DotW), I just don't like your response to it

I'm townreading you anyway so ehh

Dragon of the West · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:37 pm

maybe. or maybe not. depends on the scum, although i understand your point. No reason to belabor it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:47 pm

[03] MarioManiac4
[06] stelo
[10] F-oh-ex
[13] crazycrabman
Lynch pool

Smithereens · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:48 pm

Why is creature town?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:52 am

His early game pinged me hard as town. I dont think he was lying about anything and his play reads as super genuine attempts to scum hunt and figure the game out.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:08 am

Robbnva · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:58 am

What about his early game am I missing?

Creature · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:22 am

I have a better proposal. We lynch Smithereens today and we'll get a good advantage over scum.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:33 am

I thought his interaction with me yesterday looked town

Smithereens · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:15 am

Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

Infinity 324 · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:17 am

Creature is actively scum hunting and thereby playing to the town wincon.

Creature · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:20 am

In post 794, Smithereens wrote:Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

Pretty sure I am playing to my town win con.

Robbnva · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:21 am

In post 794, Smithereens wrote:Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

That's like 2 peopl you have accused of not playing against their win con which is 2 more than it should be.

Creature · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:24 am

VOTE: Smithereens

Smithereens · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:24 am

In post 797, Robbnva wrote:
In post 794, Smithereens wrote:Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?
That's like 2 peopl you have accused of not playing against their win con which is 2 more than it should be.

If you read my post vs you, I posited you had apathy for the town wincon.

In this situation I'm not suggesting Creature is against the town wincon.

I have accused 0 players of going against a wincon.

If you lack understanding in this matter, the post your taking issue with basically asks whether or not creature is just lolvoting because he has no idea how to read. It's also a legit question.