Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Smithereens]

Creature is actively scum hunting and thereby playing to the town wincon.

Creature is not actively scum hunting.

Did you know scum scum-hunt as scum? Does that make them play to the town wincon?

I think not.

[Smithereens]

Before a semantics battle commences with Rob, I'm not interested in repeat of the last argument. If you want to misconstrue my suggestion to fit an over simplified summation of what you think my thoughts are, go right ahead.

[Infinity 324]

Creature was actively scum hunting for most of the game. Creature looks town for that, scum hunting is kinda hard to fake as noob scum. In addition, he's looks very open with his thoughts which is hard to fake even for experienced scum.

[Creature]

Creature is not actively scum hunting.

Are you?

[Dwlee99]

Do you have a reason you think it's more likely to come from scum or is it just experience

Reason. A player who is uninformed is likely to stick to a person who they've discovered is scum with a high degree of confidence. Moving off it simply shows how little profundity the discovery actually made on the player. If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

@Rob, I'm worried about your vote Rob because your vote stands out for being incongruent with arguments that you levied at Creature to accuse him of being scum. The other players don't stand out at all in terms of their votes. Also, be patient with your requests for replies. As you can see you're not the only one.

@Infinity, don't get tied up over the fact that I am or aren't faking my annoyance, I might end up getting annoyed. Lurking from experience does not actually happen despite how many people think it does.

@Dragon, Incorrect. The point is that a townie doesn't play in that fashion, because it involves a detachment of concern from finding scum. Yes, theoretically it is good play. Town don't do this 'good play,' because it actually doesn't reflect a straight forward pursuit of the town win con. It's more how an emotionless robot would play the game, or a scum with no interest in helping the town. Also, this is what I meant by saying you need to be watched. You're a spectator who is throwing opinions at material other people are saying and not attempting to contribute yourself. We don't need a commentator in a mafia game.

Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

this is your weird obsession with win con

[Smithereens]

Creature was actively scum hunting for most of the game. Creature looks town for that, scum hunting is kinda hard to fake as noob scum. In addition, he's looks very open with his thoughts which is hard to fake even for experienced scum.

What Creature is actually doing can only be explained by newb town if he is town. Scum hunting not randomly fitting scum interpretations to behaviours you see in the Day chat. Creature is doing this ergo I know he isn't scum hunting.

His thoughts are not open. Recall that he flipped on the Eggman wagon without giving any coherent reason.

[Creature]

I flipped on the Eggman wagon because I felt the reason I've given was very coherent.

[Smithereens]

Why is it weird to believe that finding scum is easiest to do by just looking for players that perform actions that don't further town interests (wincon)?

I'm going to assume differences in site culture. It's not a big issue, unless you want to make it one.

[Smithereens]

I flipped on the Eggman wagon because I felt the reason I've given was very coherent.

You were told that you were factually incorrect about the reason for backflipping. You didn't refute those reasons either, and now it seems we're back there again.

[Creature]

It looks like you're discrediting scum hunting as something that can easily be faked.

[Smithereens]

Yes. Scum hunting is easily faked. You'd know because you're voting me.

[Robbnva]

Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

That's like 2 peopl you have accused of not playing against their win con which is 2 more than it should be.

If you read my post vs you, I posited you had apathy for the town wincon.

In this situation I'm not suggesting Creature is against the town wincon.

I have accused 0 players of going against a wincon.

If you lack understanding in this matter, the post your taking issue with basically asks whether or not creature is just lolvoting because he has no idea how to read. It's also a legit question.

Semantics imo. The fact that you bring it up at all bothers me

[Creature]

I flipped on the Eggman wagon because I felt the reason I've given was very coherent.

You were told that you were factually incorrect about the reason for backflipping. You didn't refute those reasons either, and now it seems we're back there again.

It doesn't break the fact Eggman's crumb seemed to come from town.

[Creature]

Yes. Scum hunting is easily faked. You'd know because you're voting me.

Then literally anything can be easily faked.

[Robbnva]

Creature was actively scum hunting for most of the game. Creature looks town for that, scum hunting is kinda hard to fake as noob scum. In addition, he's looks very open with his thoughts which is hard to fake even for experienced scum.

Going to disagree here. I don't really see anything that looked good coming from him after he got called out for his weird 180 which implies buckling under pressure which implies scum

[Smithereens]

I flipped on the Eggman wagon because I felt the reason I've given was very coherent.

You were told that you were factually incorrect about the reason for backflipping. You didn't refute those reasons either, and now it seems we're back there again.

It doesn't break the fact Eggman's crumb seemed to come from town.

Eggman's crumb is not AI. If it is AI, then it's scum AI. Townies don't crumb VT.

Yes. Scum hunting is easily faked. You'd know because you're voting me.

Then literally anything can be easily faked.

Gj it seems you do learn.

[Creature]

Doesn't it sound weird Smithereens pointed out the possibility I am just a newb to discredit any reads I've had this game?

[Smithereens]

Semantics imo. The fact that you bring it up at all bothers me

...how about my question?

[Robbnva]

What question?

[Smithereens]

Doesn't it sound weird Smithereens pointed out the possibility I am just a newb to discredit any reads I've had this game?

Your initial premise is flawed: I never gave any credit to your 'reads' to begin with. This explanation concerns itself with how you might be town, not why your reads are wrong.

[Smithereens]

What question?

Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

For your politically correct self I can modify it:

Do you think that Creature is a newbie town who is playing awfully because he doesn't know what he should do to make town win the game?

[Creature]

But where did you pull that question from?

[Robbnva]

If he's town I don't think he's playing against his win condition. If he's scum I don't think he's playing against his win condition.

The fact that you keep talking about it bothers me very much especially after you tried to imply I didn't care about (or was playing against) my win condition.

I'm voting you and will be ignoring you from now on cause I don't see this push coming from a townie.

vote: smitherines

[Infinity 324]

Creature, you only joined the site a few months ago, you are kind of a noob

Smith, I agreed completely with creature's reasons for changing his read on eggman. (Except for the part where he said eggman was consistently mislynch bait)

Eggman crumbing (though not really) VT seems town to me because scum don't feel like they need to do that kind of stuff, they'd rather try to prove themselves in more generally accepted ways. However, I think town (esp noob town) often try to do anything they can to prove themselves. I feel the same way about crabs frustration, he said something along the lines of "what can I do to show you guys I'm town"

PEdit: nope, smith is town too

[Robbnva]

I don't agree