Micro 622: Queen Mafia GAME OVER

[Fire Assassin]

But what associations? It sounded to me like you thought Elyse was suddenly town because Bullet pushed on her. I assumed that meant you thought that Bullet was scum, but that doesn't really line up your follow up posts.

Yes, I am not liking bullet so my read on elsye was predicated on that and I said it was bad, and since scrapped.

Or well you called him "meh", but you didn't push or vote on him after, which I thought was rather odd since you seemed to imply he was scum (and that Elyse was town for thar reason), unless I misunderstood your post in which case I'd like you to explain exactly what you meant.

I have very good reasons not to push Bullet.

[Fire Assassin]

Wow nice catch. Fire did the same thing as me but only I'm scum for it.

Perhaps we are both scum for it.

[BNL]

Unsure of Elyse's recent posting, but my other scumread has grown, enough to warrant a change of vote.
UNVOTE: Elyse
VOTE: Postie

[Fire Assassin]

Why is postie now scum for you?

[Fire Assassin]

This is my problem with you bullet, its like you don't read my posts of saying you both me with your approach to this game.
You simply say I am town, and try to talk about other people while clearly avoiding engagement with me.

It rings of someone trying to subtle buddy a player but not actually work with a townread.
So, why not actually, I Don't know. Talk to me?

[GuiltyLion]

BNL tell me about why IPS is null for you?

@BNL

[BNL]

In other news, my vote is now serious.

Why?

I am also not seeing it

These were some posts that I didn't like, and it made me put her in my lean scum category.

I'm guessing FA is going to say I'm scum with Aris for saying that FA is looked upon favorably for the Aris wagon which is stupid since I obviously meant that he's at the forefront of the Aris push. He looks good for scumhunting and stuff. And I'm also scumreading Aris, so if you incorrectly interpreted it as me saying he'll look good because Aris is flipping scum, that's in line with my reads.

If it's something else then idk lol.

Its word choices and tone.
First off lets show case it:

. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum

would do right now.

This rings of awareness of what scum is likely to do in a certain scenario and words "right now" bring attention that they could act in this way, but aren't doing it yet.

Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon.

Hyper awareness of the situation. Scum are usually the most aware players of scenarios.

It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.

Timing is key in this section. The idea is that they are aware of what will and won't look good for scum to do in certain scenarios at certain moments in time. Elyse is looking at the game in the perspective as a scum player. They are not looking at it from the perspective of it in the terms they are town and how scum would act, but what they would personally do. This is what I am seeing.

Wow this is so bad.
Fire, please exlpain in detail why

paying attention to the game

is scummy.

Earlier on, Postie expressed suspicion on me/Fire being the scumteam. Then she calls the quoted post horrible. And yet she says nothing about me townreading Fire based off this? Someone genuinely scumhunting will also talk about my townread on Fire.

[BNL]

BNL tell me about why IPS is null for you?

@BNL

It's mainly because he's new, and this makes me have a tendency to mark what he does as NAI. I'm planning to hold off reading him until after a while (~7 days into D1).

[Fire Assassin]

The urge to vote BNL just so he responds to me in a way that doesn't seem like he is talking to someone not there.
Its testing me.

[BNL]

The urge to vote BNL just so he responds to me in a way that doesn't seem like he is talking to someone not there.
Its testing me.

What do you want me to respond to?

[BNL]

Postie, can you explain your townread on TTH?

[The Show Must Go On]

Votecount 1.07:

Aristophanes (3): GuiltyLion, TellTaleHeart, Elyse
Fire Assassin (3): Aristophanes, Postie, Iprobablysuck
Postie (2): duppin, BulletNLynchproof
Elyse (1): Fire Assassin
TellTaleHeart (0):
Iprobablysuck (0):
GuiltyLion (0):
duppin (0):
BulletNLynchproof (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-12 17:00:00).

Picture:

Queen: Under Pressure

Notes:

Why can't we give ourselves one more chance?

[GuiltyLion]

It's mainly because he's new, and this makes me have a tendency to mark what he does as NAI. I'm planning to hold off reading him until after a while (~7 days into D1).

I don't think this is necessarily a scummy thing, but I also don't see how it's useful. Can you just give me some thoughts about his original Elyse push or his switch to Fire Assassin?

[Postie]

I take it back Fire's probably town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

[Postie]

Postie, can you explain your townread on TTH?

It's a meta read that I'm probably 307% unqualified to make.

[GuiltyLion]

Postie, can you explain your townread on TTH?

It's a meta read that I'm probably 307% unqualified to make.

"Meta read" by itself doesn't mean anything. What things is TTH doing in this game that she only does as town?

[GuiltyLion]

or what does she do as scum that she's not doing in this game?

If you can't answer either of these questions then your meta read is worthless and possibly fake.

[Postie]

Well, for one, she feels like she's actually playing the game rather than lurking and occasionally throwing in a safe post that doesn't progress the game whatsoever.

[Postie]

If you can't answer either of these questions then your meta read is worthless

and possibly fake

.

Also woah there
Bit harsh

[GuiltyLion]

Is that what she does as scum? Based on what games?

[Postie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66377

This is the only time I've seen her scum game though, which is why I said I'm probably unqualified to make this call.

[GuiltyLion]

If you can't answer either of these questions then your meta read is worthless

and possibly fake

.

Also woah there
Bit harsh

also, it's odd to me that you focused on "fake" being harsh here instead of "worthless". I feel like "worthless" should be more offensive to a town!Postie, since town knows by default that their reads aren't faked, but can get invested in their reads and defensive about their quality. "fake" just implies that your justification of the read is scummy.

[duppin]

I take it back Fire's probably town.

I'm curious, why?

[Postie]

also, it's odd to me that you focused on "fake" being harsh here instead of "worthless". I feel like "worthless" should be more offensive to a town!Postie, since town knows by default that their reads aren't faked, but can get invested in their reads and defensive about their quality. "fake" just implies that your justification of the read is scummy.

I already admitted it was potentially worthless though, so not really? The accusation just came out of the blue so I was like, "well, that escalated quickly".

I take it back Fire's probably town.

I'm curious, why?

If my townread holds up I'll explain it at a later date. If say what he's doing right now that's making me townread him then that's an invitation for scum!Fire to keep faking said behaviour.

[duppin]

I see.

I got to admit I was a bit surprised to see you town read him after his recent interactions with BNL. You thought they were a team earlier because of the interactions between them on page 3, so I take it you like their interactions on this page? That's interesting, I actually thought it felt very weird.