New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Dunnstral]

You already thought that, how did this change anything?

That's news to me considering I just started thinking this a while ago as I went over the thread.

[Mirhawk]

I admittedly might be mistaken about your read on Lapsa.

Is there something specific that makes you think I'm scum with him or do you just think we're both scum? To my knowledge I've barely acknowledged him this game.

[Vedith]

Smart people are voting Shannon because she keeps making gross posts.

But the only other person voting with you at this stage is someone providing no content? How does that put me into the smart people category considering my vote was more for doing such a dick move rather than their posts.

[shannon]

Anyway it is like 1am so I am going to read the most recent 10 pages and first 10 pages and just wing it.

All you miss in the middle is a bunch of mason claims, counter claims, and then abandonment of claims, plus people telling each other that town are idiots this game. All in all, you don't miss much.

wake's obv town

performer's relatively obv town.

sick was probably more "i don't want to read 100 pages of this shit" than "i'm scum and i don't know how to respond to this pressure".

I agree with the first two. If sick replaced out becuase he didn't want to catch up it not alignment indicative though.

Also, what makes Shannon obvtown? She advocated a modkill which she wouldn't have even done if she had actually read the thread, then when called on it she immediately claimed and made an appeal to emotion.

I have read the thread (ugh) and I wanted that modkill 1) because I'm a stickler for rules, even when they hurt me, and 2) I want that guy gone for the fake mason crap. I have accidentally mentioned a current game before, and if I had been modkiled for it I would have accepted it. (IRL I am the kind of person who thanks the officer for a speeding ticket because it reminds me that I need to pay more attention when I'm driving). My current policy is get rid of all fake masons because silly gambits and lying are no good for town. Someone mentioned that the wagons keep changing because we have 2 competing scum factions, and I think that could be on track.

It's mischaracterising my position to say that I was 'called on it' and made AtE. I don't feel under attack from the people that have scum read me for wanting the mod kill. I get that everyone has a different view and that it could be a scum wanting a free townie kill, but in this instance it is a genuine townie wanting to get rid of liars. You'll only see that when I flip, and at any rate it doesn't really matter because no one else (not least the mod, who PMed me about it) went for the idea.

I claimed VT not to save myself from some potential lynch based on my modkill request, but for the sake of having town avoid accidentally lynching a PR. (If I wanted to save myself, I'd claim mason ). If we have to lose a townie today and it's not one of the 'lurkers' - although what qualifies as a lurker in this game is I think skewed by the ridiculous volume of posts from some players - then it may as well be me. It's absolutely

not

an appeal to emotion. Volunteering as tribute is a joke. I think it's rational, if you can't make a good choice (lynching fairly-certain scum, or someone who you're pretty sure isn't a PR and whose death will be revealing), to make the least-harmful choice, and lynching a VT is that. So, I'm volunteering myself if need be. I'm happy to sacrifice myself if it helps town overall. (Note that this is pretty much the opposite of one fake mason, who is prepared to derail the whole game in order to save her 'totally town' mate that she has no role confirmation on and no in-game proof of status).

[Vedith]

IRL I am the kind of person who thanks the officer for a speeding ticket because it reminds me that I need to pay more attention when I'm driving

First of all - Bollocks.

[Vedith]

However, I do share the exact same opinion with the fake mason claims.
If anything, those fake mason claims have ruined day 1 imo.

But you are volunteering to be voted off with the claim of being town?
What information would be gained from this? Even more so if you agree that there could be 2 factions.

[Boem_u_dusi]

IRL I am the kind of person who thanks the officer for a speeding ticket because it reminds me that I need to pay more attention when I'm driving

First of all - Bollocks.

That sounds like the biggest lie in this game

[Boem_u_dusi]

Anyway, this game is stale.
I don't think we're going to get anything today.

[Wake1]

I

am

obvTown this game. It's a bitch trying to emulate my answer-hungry unknowing-Town mindset as Scum. I also soft-claimed.

At the moment I feel worn out from Day 1, and am in need of solid info: whatever the start of Day 2 brings, it's something to actually work with.

Also I'm in 3 other games now, so no more Reads Lists, because I need to play more briefly and efficiently.

[shannon]

IRL I am the kind of person who thanks the officer for a speeding ticket because it reminds me that I need to pay more attention when I'm driving

First of all - Bollocks.

You mean you

don't

think you should be punished for doing the wrong thing? I don't get that. Either the punishment is just or it's not, and if it's just, you have to accept it being applied to yourself. (And if you're doing something dangerous, you should be grateful that it was pointed out before you hurt someone). You really don't feel this way?! That's why mafia is fun for me, because when I'm scum I get to lie and it's part of the rules that I'm allowed to do that. I don't do it IRL, because if everyone did it, everything would fall apart.

However, I do share the exact same opinion with the fake mason claims.
If anything, those fake mason claims have ruined day 1 imo.

But you are volunteering to be voted off with the claim of being town?
What information would be gained from this? Even more so if you agree that there could be 2 factions.

I'm volunteering because I think the game is so stuffed up that town aren't going to be able to find scum today. So if it's between lynching a PR and lynching a VT, we should lynch a VT - and I can do my best to ensure that outcome by nominating myself. No info would be gained, except my flip I suppose. A few people have moved on and off me all Day but that's nothing significant I don't think. It's up to town whether gaining information is more important than not hitting a PR, but I'm here if there's no better option.

[Boem_u_dusi]

I don't know, I find myself lying more in RL than in mafia. Maybe because I rand town every time.

[Airick10]

Is there something specific that makes you think I'm scum with him or do you just think we're both scum? To my knowledge I've barely acknowledged him this game.

That doesn't matter, in fact that makes it even more suspicious.

I

am

obvTown this game.

Ha! I think everyone would echo you here.

It's mischaracterising my position to say that I was 'called on it' and made AtE. I don't feel under attack from the people that have scum read me for wanting the mod kill. I get that everyone has a different view and that it could be a scum wanting a free townie kill, but in this instance it is a genuine townie wanting to get rid of liars. You'll only see that when I flip, and at any rate it doesn't really matter because no one else (not least the mod, who PMed me about it) went for the idea.

Here's the thing with this... on one hand, you're calling out Titus for sacrificing herself to save Dunn. Which is an anti-town play. You're correct about that and you've had pressure on Titus throughout the game because of it. That's fair. On the other hand, wanting a mod kill is also an anti-town play and it's fair to criticize you for it. Your response is to ask the town to lynch you (as you've claimed VT). If you are in fact town, why is that a pro-town move? It seems like a desperate defense attempt. As I acknowledge both were anti-town plays, I certainly don't see how your play was all that much opposite as to what Titus did.

[Airick10]

To clarify - your play on this current defense.... "Sacrificing" yourself to the town.

[Titus]

@Shannon, When you keep voting town for being anti-town rather than finding scum, you give scum an excuse to do that too, creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Right now, there's two decent cases. One, Agar's move was terribly scummy and logically inconsistent. Second, Mirhawk "slipped" that masons should have daytalk, likely because he did. Even if you feel overwhelmed to where you cannot give reads, you can at least look those over.

This mason thing is a huge deal because you let it be.

[Lapsa]

@Shannon, When you keep voting town for being anti-town rather than finding scum, you give scum an excuse to do that too, creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

well that's the price. what did you expect?

[Zachstralkita]

ok a performer d1 wagon is a bit naive on my part not to mention i haven't said anything about him

and whY THE FUCK ARE WE CLAIMING VT UNPROMPTED?????

[Almost50]

ISOing Vedith (previously Nosferatu):

Nos (12 posts):

Nothing much stands out. Mostly noncommittal, but he called me out on 139, didn't like implosion for unspecified reasons, and defended Dunn (I agree with his view that there were no inconsistencies there).

Vedith (42 posts):

I won't comment on each and every post, but I get the feeling that going against the tide and confronting Titus right to the face is a brave move from either alignment. It's a gambit if done by scum, but I'm leaning it's more likely a town move, although I don't agree with it being reason enough to lynch her. Also voting Shannon on policy is NAI.

Conclusion: I don't see how this could be interpreted as "exclusively scummy posting". I do see tunneling to a degree, but he's being consistent and composed under pressure. I'm also disregarding the soft claim for now. Filed under NULL.

ISOing Varsoon (57 posts):

First and foremost I have reason to believe Varsoon's absence was very much justified by RL events. I know for a fact he hasn't been available all over the site and I know why too (don't ask).

Varsoon strikes me as a player who is relying on both guts and emotions, which does explain his Dunn vote (no offense, but you ARE annoying to some, Dunn).

At this point I don't care whether Varsoon is a mason or not. The very fact that he called Titus' trick out and was very persistent makes him town in my eyes. There is absolutely no scum motivation in going out of your way to call someone on a fake claim like that. I only wish he could get over his overwhelming obsession with Dunn/Titus and start scum hunting elsewhere.

Conclusion: Strong Town Read

[Almost50]

ISOing Performer (88 posts):

Since I'm only explaining my reads here I need not go through anything beyond his opening post. "Vote No Lynch" is enough for me to get a town read on him. Contrary to popular belief, only TOWN would suggest a No Lynch so openly and that early. Scum know this move will put them at the very center of everyone's suspects list. Personally, I wouldn't dare suggest it if I was scum (and I wouldn't dare fake claim on D1 either). I know YMMD and all, but that's how I classify Performer until further notice. Nothing in his ISO makes me think otherwise either.

Mirhawk (88 posts):

By implication, his early duel with Sick over Performer's NL suggestion makes him a slight town lean. However, most of his posts are one liners and uninformative. I did like him asking about LAMIST, bc I didn't know what that was, but assumed it was a misspelled derivation of "lame" I also like his stance on the mason claims.

Conclusion: Upon reread I'm relegating him from Town to Town-Lean. There's nothing scummy in his ISO, but there's nothing strongly indicative of him being town either.

N.B. Shannon is now conf!town to me. The role claim was uncalled for, but it was also out of the blue (i.e. there was not much pressure on her). I wouldn't be lynching here bc -although uninformed- that's a vote that can help us. Scum are informed and will know where to vote 9and it certainly isn't in town's favour), while town -no matter how uninformed- are more likely to hit on scum sooner or later, besides.. if scum want to shoot her she's doing exactly what a VT should be doing, i.e. eating a bullet for the town PRs.

Everyone else has posted over 100 posts, and I'm not about to ISO them anytime soon. I'll wait and see how the day (and night) go before I start doing that.

Also, welcome beeboy.

[Mirhawk]

@Shannon, When you keep voting town for being anti-town rather than finding scum, you give scum an excuse to do that too, creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

Right now, there's two decent cases. One, Agar's move was terribly scummy and logically inconsistent. Second, Mirhawk "slipped" that masons should have daytalk, likely because he did. Even if you feel overwhelmed to where you cannot give reads, you can at least look those over.

This mason thing is a huge deal because you let it be.

I don't know if I've ever seen masons without daytalk.

also you're making a mess of what I did. I saw a comment from you that made me think you had daytalk after the mason claim which reinforced the claim in my eyes. How is this a slip?

[Mirhawk]

That doesn't matter, in fact that makes it even more suspicious.

I've barely acknowledged several people so that's not really much of a point.

[beeboy]

First and foremost I have reason to believe Varsoon's absence was very much justified by RL events. I know for a fact he hasn't been available all over the site and I know why too (don't ask).

Varsoon strikes me as a player who is relying on both guts and emotions, which does explain his Dunn vote (no offense, but you ARE annoying to some, Dunn).

At this point I don't care whether Varsoon is a mason or not. The very fact that he called Titus' trick out and was very persistent makes him town in my eyes. There is absolutely no scum motivation in going out of your way to call someone on a fake claim like that. I only wish he could get over his overwhelming obsession with Dunn/Titus and start scum hunting elsewhere.

Just so you know when I faked claimed Masons the main people calling my claim fake where scum players. So your entire town case for Varsoon is incredibly meh in my eyes.

[beeboy]

Well not entire case but the last part is more of a scum thing then a town thing.

[Mirhawk]

N.B. Shannon is now conf!town to me. The role claim was uncalled for, but it was also out of the blue (i.e. there was not much pressure on her). I wouldn't be lynching here bc -although uninformed- that's a vote that can help us. Scum are informed and will know where to vote 9and it certainly isn't in town's favour), while town -no matter how uninformed- are more likely to hit on scum sooner or later, besides.. if scum want to shoot her she's doing exactly what a VT should be doing, i.e. eating a bullet for the town PRs.

What scumteam would nightkill shannon?

[beeboy]

Also has my predecessor mentioned I am a miller?

[Mirhawk]

Jesus Christ B don't even. I've had it up to here with millers.